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i hate these 4 30 in the morning races.
MASSAAAAAA :)

didn't get to watch any of it but nice that massa won.
wtf happened to kimi?
good to see kubica up there also

was this a night race?
 
I don't think a penalty for this race would have been appropriate anyway. There wasn't any contact, and it's not like Massa (or any other driver for that matter) can see other cars when he gets released.
 
and it's not like Massa (or any other driver for that matter) can see other cars when he gets released.

That's what the lollipop guy is for... Oh!:rolleyes:


Massa very nearly forced Sutil into the wall. As pointed out already, if this had happened further down the pit lane it could have been worse.
 
That's what the lollipop guy is for... Oh!:rolleyes:
That's why they should have a guy with a button to delay the green light for when another car is coming down the lane. And that will make it a better system than one guy with a stick.

Massa very nearly forced Sutil into the wall. As pointed out already, if this had happened further down the pit lane it could have been worse.

"Could have" and "was" are not the same. You shouldn't penalize a driver for "could have"s, unless they do something blatantly stupid (brake testing).
 
You can't blame Massa for what happened but then again the fine seems tiny.

I wasn't paying attention during the press conference but I thought Massa said something I didn't quite like.http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=43712

Valencia winner Felipe Massa believes Adrian Sutil was responsible for the near-collision in the pit lane which resulted in some anxious moments for the Ferrari driver as he awaited the outcome of a stewards' inquiry.

Massa took a commanding win in the inaugural Valencia race from McLaren rival Lewis Hamilton, but the result was thrown into doubt after the stewards announced that they would conduct a post-race investigation into the pit lane incident.

Massa pointed the finger at Sutil in the post-race press conference, suggesting it was futile of the German not to let him by since, as a lapped driver, he would soon have to cede position anyway.

Watch Massa press conference clip

“I think it wasn’t very clever from his side, because even if he got out in front of me he would need to let me by, so it was a little bit of a shame to fight with him in the pit lane,” he said.

“I stopped behind him on the pit stop and we left together. So when he was passing me by I was leaving the garage, so we were side-by-side.

“But, I mean, I was the leader and he was a lapped car…”

Massa added that the pair only avoided contact because he backed off – a point that is likely to have been central to Ferrari’s representations to the stewards.

“I came very close to [colliding with him], so I needed to back off, and for sure I lost a lot of time,” he said.

“Fortunately the gap [to Hamilton] was enough.

“It was quite narrow, the wall was getting closer and closer, so I didn’t want to take any risks.”

For his part, Sutil insisted he hadn’t seen Massa coming as he accelerated down the pit lane and had done his best first to avoid contact and then to let the Ferrari past as soon as possible.

“Well I didn’t see him,” Sutil told ITV Sport's Louise Goodman.

“I was driving down the pit lane and suddenly a car came there.

“I went to the left a little bit, and then after the first corner I tried to let him past as soon as possible.”

Sutil declined to blame Ferrari for releasing Massa into his path, saying he would prefer to see a replay of the incident before commenting further.

“In the pits everybody is in a rush to do everything as fast as possible,” he said.

“We’ve seen it many times in races that sometimes cars go out side-by-side.

“For sure the guy on the pit stop should look before releasing the car, but I want to see it on TV and then I can give a better statement.”

Massa’s engineer Rob Smedley dismissed any suggestion that his driver had done anything wrong and said attention should focus instead on the quality of his race performance.

“We released him and he backed off,” Smedley told Ted Kravitz.

“It was nothing to do with him. We have to consider what happened.

“But I’d rather not talk about that now, to be honest, I’d rather talk about the fact that the kid’s done a fantastic race.

“He’s driven absolutely fantastically, so I’d rather not talk about silly little incidents like that.”
 
“But, I mean, I was the leader and he was a lapped car…”

Except, of course, Section i of article 23.1, of the 2008 F1 Sporting Regulations, makes it quite clear:
i) It is the responsibility of the competitor to release his car after a pit stop only when it is safe to do so.

If it was safe there would have been no need for Massa to "back off".
 
To be fair to Massa it wasn't his fault. It was the team's. So the team should have be punished. For example they could have docked the team it's points from the constructors championship for this race.
 
To be fair to Massa it wasn't his fault. It was the team's. So the team should have be punished. For example they could have docked the team it's points from the constructors championship for this race.

I have to agree with you. Who got the fine anyway?
Was it Massa or Ferrari?
 
To be fair to Massa it wasn't his fault. It was the team's. So the team should have be punished. For example they could have docked the team it's points from the constructors championship for this race.

who cares?

the good news here is he absolutely kicked ass (by the by I'm a TRULLI fan, not massa or ferrari)and they didn't phook up the result by deducting time or points. they should have a wider pit road anyway...
 
robbieduncan said:
issues that have been dealt with in the past,

Obviously not so it would seem. ;)

robbieduncan said:
I'm suggesting they should have been penalised for a member of their team breaking the rules by sending data to a competing team.

Of course they should. :p :p :p

robbieduncan said:
Otherwise what is to stop McLaren sending their data to Ferrari and then having them striped of all championship points for a year?
Absolutely nothing.

Of course the proper course of action in such a situation would be to not actually attempt to conceal such information whilst surreptitiously making use of it like McLaren did. ;)

robbieduncan said:
And I take issue with "using their data". McLaren were proved to have not used it in the FIA "court".

Didn't you read McLaren's admission? Didn't you read the transcripts? McLaren were making use of the information, and it was more widely disseminated within McLaren than they originally accepted.

There's a reason why McLaren have agreed to not develop particular area's of their car for this season.

bartelby said:
Nice and consistent then.
Not really. Didn't you see Hockenheim?

bartelby said:
I have to agree with you. Who got the fine anyway?
Was it Massa or Ferrari?

Ferrari, it'd be ludicrous if Massa had been fined.
 
Ferrari, it'd be ludicrous if Massa had been fined.

Drivers are in control of their own car, but in the pits they rely on the crew to release them in a safe position - if they tell them to go when another car is next to theirs it's the crew's fault.
 
Drivers are in control of their own car, but in the pits they rely on the crew to release them in a safe position - if they tell them, to go when another car is next to theirs it's the crew's fault.

Exactly... Massa gave way in the pits, personally I really don't see what the issue is with what happened yesterday. :confused:

The fine's a disgrace too considering the antics of STR and Vettel in Germany for example. :rolleyes:

Don't know what's going on with Kimi either. :confused:
 
Did anyone catch when Varsha said "How you doin" when the camera focused on the two hot chicks on the balcony? I about died laughing.
 
"Could have" and "was" are not the same. You shouldn't penalize a driver for "could have"s, unless they do something blatantly stupid (brake testing).

The rule is exactly about "could have", it states that the driver should not pull out unless it is safe, and that obviously wasn't safe.

Part of me wishes he had a harsher penalty for breaking the rules, part of me is glad that the race result wasn't changed afterwards. I was surprised that they chose to investigate afterward instead of imposing a drive-through though.
 
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