Except for the fact that Ron Dennis contacted Charlie Whiting straight away to check they had carried out the yielding of position. As far as the race director was concerned they had done everything correctly.
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Except for the fact that Ron Dennis contacted Charlie Whiting straight away to check they had carried out the yielding of position. As far as the race director was concerned they had done everything correctly.
it's not only about position, the rule is that you can't gain an "advantage", he obviously did.
He wouldn't have passed him at the next turn if not for cutting the previous chicane, can we at least agree on this?
if you could cut a chicane and gain 2" on a lap, but you don't pass anyone in the manouvre, are you allowed to do it?
I disagree. He clearly had a much, much faster car in the conditions: he had caught and got his nose in front in the previous straight. There is nothing I can see that indicates having had to lift and then get back the throttle which puts you at a significant disadvantage for accelerating that he gained any advantage. If anything that lift made it more difficult for him to overtake as he had to brake later and harder: if he had stayed tucked in behind Kimi he could have probably got a cars length of free air by the corner and been under no pressure as he turned in.
What a f**king surprise!!!
And people wonder why everyone things Ferrari have the FIA in their pockets!!
i agree he had a slightly better car at that point, and that he would probably have passed him before the end of the race (especially considering how crappy raikkonen was driving then), but i strongly disagree that, had he done the chicane properly, he would have been in the position to pass him there. He wouldn't. cutting the chicane put him in a much better position to pass him at the next turn, which is obviously an advantage.
How stupid is this, I am beyond words now.
It's stupid, but not as stupid as smashing into a wall and pretty much ending your Championship.
What a complete farce. Massa gets no penalty for a dangerous move (as was proved by the FIA stewards this weekend in GP2) and then Hamilton gets penalised for a racing move that we've seen over and over in the past with no issues.
Kimi's mistake was in the wet in a split second. It happens.
This is after some body has been told who pays their salary. 25 seconds ooo look 3rd behind Masa how nice.
They probably have done, which is why it's taken over 2 hours for the decision
I suspect a certain short, greying dwarf is behind this. We all know how he likes a close finish
I suspect a certain short, greying dwarf is behind this. We all know how he likes a close finish
I hadn't thought of that!
He has to make up for the processional nature of this season. What better than to orchestrate a nail biting finale.
Kimi's mistake was in the wet in a split second. It happens.
This is after some body has been told who pays their salary. 25 seconds ooo look 3rd behind Masa how nice.
kimi made several mistakes in the last laps.
the 25 seconds is the equivalent of a drive-by, i think, but i don't know if that would be the standard penalty for this. i imagine that if kimi hadn't crashed out, they would have just dropped him back one spot.
edit: obviously it should be drive-through, but i'll leave it as is because of bartelby qucik and great joke
Now that would make F1 exciting!
See how many of you're competitor's pit crew you can wipe out!
Shame, people will get tired of watching it before then. Mostly a dull race, the one exciting one and this happens.
so massa won?
i read there is a 25 sec penalty on hamilton for gaining ground on cutting a corner.
fing a, i wanted to watch the race,
4:30 in the morning over here
i read there is a 25 sec penalty on hamilton for gaining ground on cutting a corner.
fing a, i wanted to watch the race,
4:30 in the morning over here
i'm with you on the new aero rules. let's keep our fingers crossed.
i really like Spa. even before the final laps it had been a fairly good race, IMO. a lot of cars packed together and many battles going on.
much much better than valencia (not to mention the abyss of difference visually).
i also hope they start putting some physical obstacle so that cutting a chicane becomes something one wouldn't do lightly (like a tyre wall to drive around to get back in, or gravel to go through).
it really annoys me how much it is abused, by a lot of the drivers.
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massa won yep. Starting to wonder why they don't give raikonnen a few points, just for a laugh
benlangdon said:so massa won?
i read there is a 25 sec penalty on hamilton for gaining ground on cutting a corner.
fing a, i wanted to watch the race,
4:30 in the morning over here
massa won yep. Starting to wonder why they don't give raikonnen a few points, just for a laugh
Think they are against incase it creates a big crash or pile up, sometimes there are too many cars in too much of a small space. Someone might get pushed into the wall when they had right of way.
I have seen softer obstacles such as bollards used in British Touring cars but that leaves debri on the track if it is caught.
What I have seen used, which I think would work is if a chicane is cut the driver has to stop and and then restart.
But the main problem is it seems there is no certain rule. You must not get an advantage is occasionally ambiguous.
I have seen softer obstacles such as bollards used in British Touring cars but that leaves debri on the track if it is caught.
What I have seen used, which I think would work is if a chicane is cut the driver has to stop and and then restart.
But the main problem is it seems there is no certain rule. You must not get an advantage is occasionally ambiguous.
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