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2009/10 College Football Thread
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when a team consistently brings in the best recruits in the country and can't win, it is a coaching problem.
Well, here I am with my foot in my mouth. Actually, I'm more chocking on my foot than anything else. 
TCU is a great team. As I have said before, I think they can run with any team in the country and last night proved it. They had it out for my Utes and they came out guns blazing. My hat's off to them. I hope they run the table and get a solid BCS game (I would love for them to play for the championship game, but I just don't see it happening with the way the system works) and spank whoever they play. Jerry Hughes is a force to be reckoned with and definitely deserving of all the praise he has gotten.
With all of that said, I'm pretty bummed out right now. Not that my Utes lost - I would be okay with that considering what TCU is accomplishing for the conference and all the 'little guys' out there - but I'm upset because my Utes really didn't show up. Blocked punt, pick 6, fumble return, over 100 yards in penalties...That was one ugly game to watch. I was convinced, convinced, that the Utes were going to keep it close, but they got obliterated.
As this football season starts to wind down it's been a great ride. Here's to upsets and here's to the greatest sport on Earth!
P-Worm
TCU is a great team. As I have said before, I think they can run with any team in the country and last night proved it. They had it out for my Utes and they came out guns blazing. My hat's off to them. I hope they run the table and get a solid BCS game (I would love for them to play for the championship game, but I just don't see it happening with the way the system works) and spank whoever they play. Jerry Hughes is a force to be reckoned with and definitely deserving of all the praise he has gotten.
With all of that said, I'm pretty bummed out right now. Not that my Utes lost - I would be okay with that considering what TCU is accomplishing for the conference and all the 'little guys' out there - but I'm upset because my Utes really didn't show up. Blocked punt, pick 6, fumble return, over 100 yards in penalties...That was one ugly game to watch. I was convinced, convinced, that the Utes were going to keep it close, but they got obliterated.
As this football season starts to wind down
it's been a great ride. Here's to upsets and here's to the greatest sport on Earth!P-Worm
USC is winning, they're just not winning every game. And while they bring in one of the best recruiting classes every year, you never know how some HS kid is gonna turn out until he starts playing in college. Carroll didn't just suddenly forget how to coach this season. Maybe this year's players aren't quite as good as expected. Maybe they bought into their hype too much - who knows?
But I agree with IgnatiusTheKing - there's no better way for USC to fall back into irrelevance than to freak out about a couple of losses and end up on the coaching carousel. Fortunately, I don't think the athletic department at USC is nearly as myopic as their fan base.
Very true about the part were HS kids not being as good as expect in the college level. A lot of those players in the college level are used to being the stars on there team and now they are just one of the regular players and quite often just 2nd or 3rd string. A very humbling experience for many. It just takes some time to go from being "The star" to if you are lucky just being one of the better players.
Yeah, people calling to fire Carroll after one bad season are crazy. Truthfully, it is a combination of factors. Recruiting is an inexact science, at best, and no recruiting staff can always be right. Recruits fail to qualify, or turn out not to be as good as their ratings. Sometimes that 3 star ends up better than a 5 star. Then there are other factors. The fact is a head coach's success is heavily dependent on this assistants. Carroll has lost lots of assistants over the past few years, and it finally seems to be catching up to him. Finally, that steady stream of talent leaving early for the NFL has caught up to them.
AP Top 25
1 Florida (36) 10-0 1463
2 Alabama (14) 10-0 1429
3 Texas (10) 10-0 1424
4 TCU 10-0 1307
5 Cincinnati 10-0 1247
6 Boise State 10-0 1213
7 Georgia Tech 10-1 1139
8 Pittsburgh 9-1 1030
9 Ohio State 9-2 990
10 LSU 8-2 968
11 Oregon 8-2 918
12 Oklahoma State 8-2 754
13 Penn State 9-2 689
14 Stanford 7-3 652
15 Iowa 9-2 633
16 Virginia Tech 7-3 559
17 Wisconsin 8-2 547
18 Clemson 7-3 442
19 Brigham Young 8-2 344
20 Oregon State 7-3 338
21 Miami (FL) 7-3 255
22 USC 7-3 223
23 Utah 8-2 183
24 Houston 8-2 149
25 Rutgers 7-2 145
1 Florida (36) 10-0 1463
2 Alabama (14) 10-0 1429
3 Texas (10) 10-0 1424
4 TCU 10-0 1307
5 Cincinnati 10-0 1247
6 Boise State 10-0 1213
7 Georgia Tech 10-1 1139
8 Pittsburgh 9-1 1030
9 Ohio State 9-2 990
10 LSU 8-2 968
11 Oregon 8-2 918
12 Oklahoma State 8-2 754
13 Penn State 9-2 689
14 Stanford 7-3 652
15 Iowa 9-2 633
16 Virginia Tech 7-3 559
17 Wisconsin 8-2 547
18 Clemson 7-3 442
19 Brigham Young 8-2 344
20 Oregon State 7-3 338
21 Miami (FL) 7-3 255
22 USC 7-3 223
23 Utah 8-2 183
24 Houston 8-2 149
25 Rutgers 7-2 145
whoulda thunk the mwc has more ranked teams than the big 12
on a side not
i love how usc got thottled!
on a side not
i love how usc got thottled!
Yeah, the Big 12 is really sucking this season. Losing Oklahoma to mediocrity really hurt, and the north is in shambles. We might end up playing KSU for the Big 12 title - a team that not only lost to UCLA, they're not even bowl eligible yet.
This is why I hate crappy out of conference scheduling. Who knows how good this Texas team is? We're not gonna find out until the title game (if we get there).
The BCS solidified the matchup today. Assuming Texas, Alabama and Florida win out in the regular season, it will definitely be Texas vs the SEC winner in the title game. TCU made up some ground on Texas (the Horns' margin over TCU went down from .0614 to .0567) but they aren't likely to get any closer with games against lowly Wyoming and New Mexico left.
if the mwc in 2 consecutive years gets undefeated teams that fininsh #2 and not play for the title, something needs to be changed
what more can the conference do. you would never see this in any of the bcs conferences
what more can the conference do. you would never see this in any of the bcs conferences
Last year and this year are completely different (up to now). It's not that TCU is undeserving (as was the argument against Utah last year), but that two other teams were "more" deserving. As great a season as the Frogs are having, it would be hard to argue that they deserve to be in the game over unbeaten Texas and the unbeaten winner of Florida/Alabama. That's just bad luck, like Auburn suffered in 2004.
It is a great argument for a playoff, but the powers that be seem completely disinterested in that.
You don't think an undefeated Cincinatti would get left out in favor of, say, Florida and Texas?
Even that scenario wouldn't be a first. In the 2004 season, Auburn (from the SEC, a BCS conference) was undefeated and finished 3rd in the rankings. They weren't in the championship game. In 1997, the Bowl Alliance (which did not include the Big 10) left undefeated Michigan out of the mix, setting up a split championship with Nebraska (which got to play in the NC game). In 1994, Penn State was undefeated, but not selected by the Bowl Coalition (which also did not include the Big 10) to play for the NC.
The moral of the story is, "Never say never."
Exactly. The only person who should be positioning for Carroll's departure from USC is the next A.D. at the university who hires him the next day.
Crazy talk.
BCS
RK TEAM RECORD
1 Florida 10-0
2 Alabama 10-0
3 Texas 10-0
4 TCU 10-0
5 Cincinnati 10-0
6 Boise State 10-0
7 Georgia Tech 10-1
8 LSU 8-2
9 Pittsburgh 9-1
10 Ohio State 9-2
11 Oregon 8-2
12 Oklahoma State 8-2
13 Iowa 9-2
14 Penn State 9-2
15 Virginia Tech 7-3
16 Wisconsin 8-2
17 Stanford 7-3
18 USC 7-3
19 Oregon State 7-3
20 Miami (FL) 7-3
21 Utah 8-2
22 Brigham Young 8-2
23 Clemson 7-3
24 Houston 8-2
25 California 7-3
RK TEAM RECORD
1 Florida 10-0
2 Alabama 10-0
3 Texas 10-0
4 TCU 10-0
5 Cincinnati 10-0
6 Boise State 10-0
7 Georgia Tech 10-1
8 LSU 8-2
9 Pittsburgh 9-1
10 Ohio State 9-2
11 Oregon 8-2
12 Oklahoma State 8-2
13 Iowa 9-2
14 Penn State 9-2
15 Virginia Tech 7-3
16 Wisconsin 8-2
17 Stanford 7-3
18 USC 7-3
19 Oregon State 7-3
20 Miami (FL) 7-3
21 Utah 8-2
22 Brigham Young 8-2
23 Clemson 7-3
24 Houston 8-2
25 California 7-3
He didn't have the talent he has now.
I'm not saying he should be fired, I'm saying the argument isn't as ridiculous as it once was.
I agree.
When they have the talent we consistently get, we should be. We're losing to teams who are obviously far better coached than we are. It could be the assistants though, that's very possible.
Pete Carroll shouldn't be fired, we just shouldn't lose any games. Our third string running back was the number 2 back in the nation coming out of high school. I could go on and on. Our D-line is mostly five-star recruits and they can't sack someone for **** against a smaller, slower, less powerful O-line.
We have no heart anymore. We used to walk out on the field in our cardinal and gold and strike fear into our opponents. It was visible. Teams would be terrified to play us, and that's not there right now. Defenders would look at Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith, Reggie Bush, Lendale White, and Matt Leinart and think to themselves, "how the hell am I going to be able to stop these guys?" Offensive lines and QB's used to look at players like Sedrick Ellis, Troy Polamalu, and Keith Rivers and would play scared. I mean, they should have been. The point is, that fear is gone and it's hurting us a lot. Now all we need to do is figure out how to get that back.
all programs go in cycles...look at Nebraska, Tenn, FSU, Miami for instance
usc is now on the downward trend of things
You've got a true freshman QB, so you're going to lose some games. It doesn't matter how good he was in high school, he's going to have growing pains.
You simply have no perspective. Everyone has down years. EVERYONE. Look at OU this year. They are loaded with talent at every position, but inexperience at QB and on the OL have derailed a once-promising season. Does anyone want to fire Stoops (who hasn't won nearly as many bowl games as Carroll, mind you)?
Hell no. Why? Because they couldn't possibly get anyone better. If Stoops or Carroll went on the market, 97% of schools in the nation would fire their coaches in a heartbeat to get them.
Anyone who thinks USC has been out-coached to the point of needing a change is completely clueless.
Sad, but not surprising, that people are focusing more on USC's failings than Stanford's strengths as demonstrated again on Saturday. The way their offense is playing right now, they can hang 6 TDs on any team in the country.
USC will be fine in the long run, though. I think the changes in the coordinator / coaching staff as well as the inexperience of the starting QB and injuries. You don't lose offensive minds like Norm Chow without any ill effects.
Too bad Barkley didn't get to redshirt. Andrew Luck is a redshirt frosh but he's totally comfortable running the offense.
USC will be fine in the long run, though. I think the changes in the coordinator / coaching staff as well as the inexperience of the starting QB and injuries. You don't lose offensive minds like Norm Chow without any ill effects.
Too bad Barkley didn't get to redshirt. Andrew Luck is a redshirt frosh but he's totally comfortable running the offense.
I have a message to all you USC fans who were ticked off about Our Stanford Cardinal going for the two-point conversion:
You have lost your rights to complain. You completely and utterly dominated college football for several years. Last year, you thumped Washington state 69 TO ZERO!! Later, you beat Washington 56 TO ZERO! How is that NOT running up the score ? Now someone comes into your barn and kicks the snot out of you and you are whining about someone else giving you the business; you are just getting what you have been giving for the past seven years. Grow up; you now have to face the reality that the rest of the Pac-10 is not gonna just hand it to you anymore; you now will actually have to try and earn your victories. As for your coach; well maybe that 4.4 million dollar salary is starting to go to his head.
You have lost your rights to complain. You completely and utterly dominated college football for several years. Last year, you thumped Washington state 69 TO ZERO!! Later, you beat Washington 56 TO ZERO! How is that NOT running up the score ? Now someone comes into your barn and kicks the snot out of you and you are whining about someone else giving you the business; you are just getting what you have been giving for the past seven years. Grow up; you now have to face the reality that the rest of the Pac-10 is not gonna just hand it to you anymore; you now will actually have to try and earn your victories. As for your coach; well maybe that 4.4 million dollar salary is starting to go to his head.
I was going to say something about going for two being low class, but while reading one of my favorite football blogs (Dr. Saturday), I found this link from last year where the USC store was using the 69-0 beatdown as a cause for celebration. Or should I say sale-abration.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footba...uite-proud-of-Washington-Sta?urn=ncaaf,117161
I still think the two pointer was a bit low class. I firmly believe it is up to the defense to stop the other team's offense, but doing stuff like fake FG/Punts, and going for two, just seems pointless. Just kick it and keep scoring on them. I could almost see doing it to your biggest rival, though.
I agree with this. Going for two is pretty bush league. But also, what goes around, comes around. USC won't be down for long, and I'll bet Pete Carroll doesn't forget this.