2009/10 College Football Thread

[obey908]

right now would be a perfect chance for meyer to leave florida. He is probably going to win the SEC this year and the NC. He loses a ton of players. Might as well take this dream job to coach Notre Dame and bring the program back. Only problem is he can't recruit the southern retards.

Kids would want to go to Notre Dame with Meyer at head coach and his proven history

 

[obey908]

oh and Pete Carroll and USC are all pieces of trash

 

[MacNut]

The problem with Notre Dame is that they have high recruitment standards so most average football players could never apply. That is why they get smart kids that can't play football rather then average kids that are great players.

 

[jecapaga]

Notre Dame might not be good right now but it is still the most historic program in college football. That is why coaching there is a dream job for a lot of coaches.

I think the word "was" needs to be used in all that you said. It's in the middle of nowhere, it's a dead program and I see nothing about it that makes it a dream for any coach. It's a nightmare really. You have to be successful and the last stream of coaches haven't been. Why would a recruit go there over Florida, Texas, USC, etc.

Notre Dame doesn't even deserve national TV attention but they sign their own contracts I guess. They haven't been relevant in a long, long time.

 

[dukebound85]

The problem with Notre Dame is that they have high recruitment standards so most average football players could never apply. That is why they get smart kids that can't play football rather then average kids that are great players.

Believe it or not, some schools that are "good" dont recruit dummies either so that issue is hardly unique to ND

 

[pachyderm]

Notre Dame might not be good right now but it is still the most historic program in college football. That is why coaching there is a dream job for a lot of coaches.

Will they only hire a Catholic though?

right now would be a perfect chance for meyer to leave florida. He is probably going to win the SEC this year and the NC. He loses a ton of players. Might as well take this dream job to coach Notre Dame and bring the program back. Only problem is he can't recruit the southern retards.

Kids would want to go to Notre Dame with Meyer at head coach and his proven history

Should have read Florida inbreds...
Is Meyer Catholic?

The problem with Notre Dame is that they have high recruitment standards so most average football players could never apply. That is why they get smart kids that can't play football rather then average kids that are great players.

Sorry that is Vanderbilt's excuse. ND will have to find their own...

No idea what has happened to Weis as of 6:41 A.M. cst but I hope he got to stay, Though I'm sure he didn't.

 

[furcalchick]

The problem with Notre Dame is that they have high recruitment standards so most average football players could never apply. That is why they get smart kids that can't play football rather then average kids that are great players.

their graduation rate is 96% for football. that's nice, but in football terms, it's not good. teams that have rigid academic standards don't do well in football (see duke and vandy). i know one person that said to flip the graduation rates, etc, and you usually have your football standings. nice teams typically finish last in college football.

I think the word "was" needs to be used in all that you said. It's in the middle of nowhere, it's a dead program and I see nothing about it that makes it a dream for any coach. It's a nightmare really. You have to be successful and the last stream of coaches haven't been. Why would a recruit go there over Florida, Texas, USC, etc.

Notre Dame doesn't even deserve national TV attention but they sign their own contracts I guess. They haven't been relevant in a long, long time.

one championship in 30 years, very embarrassing. in the era of 20 football games a day on tv, notre dame is just another team. sure, up until the 90's, notre dame was one of the handful of games on every week, and you had to go to notre dame to get exposure. but now, you don't have to go to notre dame. and it's in the middle of nowhere as jecapaga said, gets cold in winter (forget about getting recruits from the south), and high standards. not good in this day and age.

 

[IgnatiusTheKing]

gets cold in winter (forget about getting recruits from the south)

You might want to do some research before making a statement like that. Notre Dame's current roster has 20 players from the Deep South, nine players from Florida, eight players from California, three players from Texas and two players from Hawaii. That's 42 players out of 95 (four don't have hometowns listed) that played high school ball in warm weather places.

 

[dukebound85]

You might want to do some research before making a statement like that. Notre Dame's current roster has 20 players from the Deep South, nine players from Florida, eight players from California, three players from Texas and two players from Hawaii. That's 42 players out of 95 (four don't have hometowns listed) that played high school ball in warm weather places.

yea but how many of those are blue chip athletes that also had offers to UF or USC and were not Catholic?

 

[IgnatiusTheKing]

yea but how many of those are blue chip athletes that also had offers to UF or USC?

Heck if I was from Florida and no school but ND gave me a scholarship to play, Id take it too lol

Not sure exactly, but considering their last four recruiting classes have been ranked (in reverse from 2009 - 2006) 21, 2, 8 and 8, I'd say more than a few of them were probably highly-ranked recruits, including WR Golden Tate (4-star recruit from Tennessee), QB Jimmy Clausen (5-star from California) and RB Armando Allen (4-star from Florida).

 

[dmr727]

It seems to me that if you're gonna lower your academic standards for athletes, which every FBS team does to some extent, you might as well lower it to the point where you can actually compete on the field. Why thump your chest about your athletic academic requirements if you're still not holding the athletes to the exact same standards as the rest of your student body?

 

[steve2112]

I think ND is past its prime, and is not one of the elite programs anymore. Heck, even Kirk Herbstreit said something to that effect the other day. Part of it is their higher admission standards. I think what is hurting them more, though, is not being in a conference. Being an independent gives them flexibility, but I think it also hurts them in the BCS. It also hurts them in revenue. Think about this: My alma mater, the 5-7 Mississippi State Bulldogs, get more money from the SEC/ESPN TV deal than ND gets from their NBC deal. Vanderbilt gets as much money as ND does. We were on TV as often as ND was this season. This plays a huge part in the modern game.

 

[Tomorrow]

Notre Dame might not be good right now but it is still the most historic program in college football. That is why coaching there is a dream job for a lot of coaches.

I think a lot of those coaches might be pushing up daisies. Notre Dame hasn't been relevant in the national title picture in 20 years or more.

Army was once a highly decorated program as well - I'm not sure how many top-tier coaches are beating down the door of their AD just to get an interview for the head coaching position.

I think the word "was" needs to be used in all that you said. It's in the middle of nowhere, it's a dead program and I see nothing about it that makes it a dream for any coach. It's a nightmare really. You have to be successful and the last stream of coaches haven't been. Why would a recruit go there over Florida, Texas, USC, etc.

Uh, yeah - what ^he^ said.

 

[steve2112]

On a lighter note, I found PETA's animatronic replacement for all those doggie mascots. It actually looks a bit like a bulldawg, but not so much for the collie. Look out, here comes robo-Bully!

http://www.amazon.com/WowWee-Wrex-D...=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1259529460&sr=8-24

 

[IgnatiusTheKing]

I think a lot of those coaches might be pushing up daisies. Notre Dame hasn't been relevant in the national title picture in 20 years or more.

Army was once a highly decorated program as well - I'm not sure how many top-tier coaches are beating down the door of their AD just to get an interview for the head coaching position.

Army isn't even really trying to be competitive anymore. That's why the dropped out of Conference USA a few years ago. They are recruiting kids who want to play at West Point and serve a full commitment as an officer, not kids who want to win a national championship.

Notre Dame, on the other hand, will always be just one great coach away from returning to their past glory. Even with the "rigorous" academic standards and the cold weather and everything else, they still haul in highly-rated recruiting classes on a regular basis. If they could attract a big name (which is very unlikely) or strike gold with an up-n-comer, I think ND would be back in no time because the media LOOOOOOOOVES them and they have a huge alumni/fan base all over the country.

I hope it doesn't happen any time soon because I really don't like the Domers and I think their game day atmosphere is beyond lame (the fans are rude to visitors and deathly quiet during the game...even when their team is on defense). I also think they should be "forced" to join a conference by removing the special qualifications the BCS holds for them.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

It seems to me that if you're gonna lower your academic standards for athletes, which every FBS team does to some extent, you might as well lower it to the point where you can actually compete on the field. Why thump your chest about your athletic academic requirements if you're still not holding the athletes to the exact same standards as the rest of your student body?

I think that football programs should be held to a higher standarded. Maybe it is time for the confrences to start upping the anti on how things are determined.
For example if there is a 3 way tie in a conference the winner goes to the school with the best graduation rate for its football programs. Or hell if there is a tie make it go that way. I willing to be all the programs would quickly up the requirements for there recruits.

That or NCAA could put punishments on schools. If a student leaves earily that scholar ship is still locked up for the full 4-5 years or just put a lock on a scholar ship if they fail to greet a degree that the school can not send out a new one for 2-3 years after the player leaves.

 

[newspypig]

Yes, good question, how many of those are blue chip athletes that also had offers to UF or USC and were not Catholic?

 

[str1f3]

Yes, good question, how many of those are blue chip athletes that also had offers to UF or USC and were not Catholic?

Why is that a big deal? This has always been a Protestant majority country. The problem for ND is that they simpliy haven't found the right coach who is good at recruitment. Everyone would love to play there because you get so much recognition from historical circumstances alone. As to others who say no one wants play in cold weather, how did teams in the Big 10 recruit?

I'm not interested in college football anymore but if you think ND's situation is permanant you're crazy.

 

[echeck]

All I have to say is..........


Hook 'Em Horns!!!

 

[IgnatiusTheKing]

That or NCAA could put punishments on schools.

The NCAA (which is as crooked an organization as you'll find in the U.S.) already punishes schools for poor graduation rates.

If a student leaves earily that scholar ship is still locked up for the full 4-5 years

What if a student athlete graduates in three and a half years and chooses to go to medical school? Do you punish the school then?

Conversely, why would you punish a school for a kid leaving early to go to the NFL or NBA? People leave school for a variety of reasons every year with little penalty to the school itself, and very few of those leave to become millionaires. Should that be the standard? Should Harvard have been penalized in some way when Bill Gates left to form Microsoft?

or just put a lock on a scholar ship if they fail to greet a degree that the school can not send out a new one for 2-3 years after the player leaves.

What if a kid needs five or six years to graduate? That happens to regular students all the time, but you don't see regular scholarships disappear for years on that account.

Holding athletes to higher standards than the regular student body (even regular students on scholarship) will just make cheating and looking the other way more rampant. Plus, athletic scholarships are funded by boosters for the most part and have nothing to do with the money from tuition and other purely academic (or research) parts of a university.

All I have to say is..........


Hook 'Em Horns!!!

Why?

 

[echeck]

Why?

Because if Texas wins then Boise State is about 99% likely to face Iowa in the Fiesta Bowl, but if Nebraska wins then the Big 12 champ (Nebraska) will fill the contractual obligation that the conference has with the Fiesta Bowl.

So... like I said...



HOOK 'EM HORNS!!!

 

[Rodimus Prime]

The NCAA (which is as crooked an organization as you'll find in the U.S.) already punishes schools for poor graduation rates.



What if a student athlete graduates in three and a half years and chooses to go to medical school? Do you punish the school then?

have it in the rule of they students gets a degree/ transfers to anohter school scholar ship is released.

Conversely, why would you punish a school for a kid leaving early to go to the NFL or NBA? People leave school for a variety of reasons every year with little penalty to the school itself, and very few of those leave to become millionaires. Should that be the standard? Should Harvard have been penalized in some way when Bill Gates left to form Microsoft?

If they leave for the NFL they left with out a degree or any hope of getting one and if so the school should be punished. The point of college is to get a degree and learn. Not to play football in hopes of going to the NFL. Leave early for the draft the scholarship is locked up end of story. It would put higher standarders on the school and encouraged them to get more students who will be wanting to get a degree.

What if a kid needs five or six years to graduate? That happens to regular students all the time, but you don't see regular scholarships disappear for years on that account.

Holding athletes to higher standards than the regular student body (even regular students on scholarship) will just make cheating and looking the other way more rampant. Plus, athletic scholarships are funded by boosters for the most part and have nothing to do with the money from tuition and other purely academic (or research) parts of a university.



Why?

Well if they are red shirted they have 5 years any how and the scholarship is locked up for those 5 years. If they take 6 to finished the scholarship is locked up for that 6th year.

College is there to learn not play football and that is the entire point of it. But it has turned into football is more important than education which I think is very wrong.

 

[mscriv]

Yeah, I read that if Texas loses then Boise is out of the bowl picture entirely. That's harsh.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Yeah, I read that if Texas loses then Boise is out of the bowl picture entirely. That's harsh.

pretty much. My guess if if Texas Loses they will still get a BCS bowl.

 

[mscriv]

According to this article it's a very real possibility.

TCU remains the highest-ranked team from a non-Big Six league. A non-Big Six team is guaranteed a BCS spot in two ways. One is if it finishes in the top 12; the other is if it is ranked in the top 16 and its ranking is higher than that of a conference champion with an automatic berth. This week, the Horned Frogs are higher than any team from the ACC, Big East, Big Ten and Pac-10.

Under BCS rules, only one non-Big Six team is guaranteed a spot if it meets the criteria. Any others would be at-large candidates. At-large candidates must have at least nine victories and finish in the top 14 in the final BCS standings.

Oklahoma State's loss to Oklahoma knocked them out of the running for an at-large slot. Three-loss Virginia Tech and two-loss BYU are in the top 14, but it's hard to see a BCS bowl bypassing unbeaten Boise State to select either the Hokies or - especially - the Cougars.

If Boise State wins out, the Broncos should finish no lower than sixth in the BCS. The BCS never has had two non-Big Six teams in BCS bowls in the same season.

Should Texas lose in the Big 12 championship game, though, the Longhorns still would get a BCS at-large bid - and Boise State likely would be left out.

LINK

It would be downright silly if the 6th ranked team in the country was left out of the BCS bowl picture.