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2009/10 College Football Thread

mscriv said:
Yeah, I read that if Texas loses then Boise is out of the bowl picture entirely. That's harsh. :(
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The BCS Bowl picture anyway.

It's not a definite, but realistically there's no way the Fiesta Bowl would pick Boise State over Iowa to play Nebraska if the Cornholers ..er.. huskers beat Texas.

I honestly don't think Texas will lose with so much on the line for them, but it still makes me nervous.

Plus I think Boise State would match up favorably against Iowa, so I would love for us to play them. :)


EDIT:

I think if Texas lost then Alabama (considering they beat Florida) will play Cincy in the title game. I think Cincinnati will jump TCU when they beat Pittsburgh this week.

So if Texas loses I see it panning out as such:

NC Game:
Alabama vs. Cincy

Fiesta:
Nebraska vs. Iowa

Sugar:
Florida vs. Texas

Orange:
Ga. Tech vs. TCU

Rose:
Oregon vs. Ohio State



....of course Texas won't lose, so it's all moot.


Hook 'Em!!

:D
 
Rodimus Prime said:
If they leave for the NFL they left with out a degree or any hope of getting one and if so the school should be punished. The point of college is to get a degree and learn. Not to play football in hopes of going to the NFL. Leave early for the draft the scholarship is locked up end of story. It would put higher standarders on the school and encouraged them to get more students who will be wanting to get a degree.
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One of the major, stated goals of most universities is to prepare its students for their future. If that future is making millions in the NFL, then mission accomplished.

Additionally, a university has no power to prevent a student from leaving for any reason (including professional sports), so why should they be punished? It's not like they are pushing these kids out the door. Just look at OU. By talking Bradford and Gresham into staying an extra year, Stoops potentially cost those players millions of dollars. In the end, though, it was the players' choice to return so no real blame can be put on OU. They shouldn't be blamed/punished for players leaving early, either, because they just have no real say in the matter.

This goes back to the argument that Bill Gates left Harvard early because he no longer had any use for it.
 
evilgEEk said:
So if Texas loses I see it panning out as such:

NC Game:
Alabama vs. Cincy

Fiesta:
Nebraska vs. Iowa

Sugar:
Florida vs. Texas

Orange:
Ga. Tech vs. TCU

Rose:
Oregon vs. Ohio State
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I think Cincy will lose to Pitt this week, which would further throw things into turmoil. But, if Cincinnati wins and Texas loses, some of the pollsters might downgrade the Bearcats because of the egg they laid in the Orange Bowl last year. In that case, if the SEC game is close (esp. if it's decided in the last couple of minutes), I could see a rematch in the BCS title game. I think the odds for that go up exponentially if it's Alabama narrowly defeating Florida.

All that being said, I don't see Nebraska as having the firepower on offense to put Texas at any risk. The NU defense will definitely present more challenges to the Horns than anyone else has, but I just don't think Nebraska has the playmakers on offense that A&M, KU and Tech (the only teams that really moved the ball at all on Texas this year) do, so a Nebraska win is unlikely.
 
evilgEEk said:
I think if Texas lost then Alabama (considering they beat Florida) will play Cincy in the title game. I think Cincinnati will jump TCU when they beat Pittsburgh this week.
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I can't see that happening. If Florida loses to an undefeated and 2nd-ranked Alabama, they aren't going to drop below Cincinatti in the BCS rankings. I wouldn't even count on them dropping below TCU.

I'm not even convinced Texas would drop below Cincinatti with a loss this weekend, although that seems more plausible.
 
The only reason I put Cincy in there if Texas loses is because I don't think the voters will let a rematch happen in the BCS title game this year, not when there are so many other candidates available. Also I don't think the BCS purists are ready to allow a non-BCS team play for the BCS Title. Although I do believe TCU could beat anyone in the country right now.

A rematch... That would be even more boring than if Ohio State played!
 
penn state will probably be picked over Iowa. Penn state brings a ton more money to the table and tv ratings. We will definitely get picked over Iowa for the Orange bowl, the fiesta bowl is a little more questionable.

Orange Bowl tv ratings:
2008: 5.2 million
2007: 5.6 million
2006: 6.2 million
2005: 12.2 (Penn state played)

We have a good history with both bowls.
 
MacNut said:
Charlie Weis fired after 5 seasons.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4700891
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Okay, be completely honest here - who DIDN'T see this coming?

Not sure why Notre Dame still sees itself as being in the upper echelon of college football, but they don't typically tolerate this sort of mediocrity. Too bad that this type of mediocrity is the essence of their program for the past 20+ years.
 
Tomorrow said:
Not sure why Notre Dame still sees itself as being in the upper echelon of college football
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Probably because they still get special treatment from the media, the NCAA, the BCS, the bowls and the other athletic directors around the country. They get lots of attention for everything they do because of their history.

In the same way it only took Alabama one year after hiring Saban to explode back on the national scene after years of mostly average (or sub-awverage) football, Notre Dame is just one good hire away from being relevant again. And if the Rivals recruiting rankings are legit at all (and that's certainly debatable), the new guy will have plenty of talent to work with.

Now they just have to find someone willing to come be their coach. After the hilarious botch-jobs that were their recent coaching searches, that's no given.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
One of the major, stated goals of most universities is to prepare its students for their future. If that future is making millions in the NFL, then mission accomplished.

Additionally, a university has no power to prevent a student from leaving for any reason (including professional sports), so why should they be punished? It's not like they are pushing these kids out the door. Just look at OU. By talking Bradford and Gresham into staying an extra year, Stoops potentially cost those players millions of dollars. In the end, though, it was the players' choice to return so no real blame can be put on OU. They shouldn't be blamed/punished for players leaving early, either, because they just have no real say in the matter.

This goes back to the argument that Bill Gates left Harvard early because he no longer had any use for it.
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Problem with your argument on the Bill Gates part is the school did not give him a scholarship. Harvard is private universtiy but public universities are punished when people fail to get a degree because they get less money from the state.

I still see nothing wrong with punishing the school for the people failing to get a degree. One of the things the NCAA reqauires is proof the students working torwards a degree. By your argument the schools should not be required to do anything but have them play football. No I think the NCAA should start putting requirements on them getting a degree.

If some one leaves earily to go to the NFL the school failed to provide them an educatation and a degree and therefor should have the scholarship locked up. Does not cost them money because they do not have to pay for the student but at the same time they can not give it away. It would make football programs by far getting the students ready for the real world.

Lets face it very few of the football players make it in the NFL and if they do not have a degree then they got nothing and are screwed after the fact. Or what if they get injured in their first year. They are still screwed because they were not around long enough to make any money to live off of and have no degree to fall back on. In that sense the school still fails at completing it main goal.
 
pachyderm said:
if bsu ever gets rid of the stupid blue turf they will get a better deal via the bcs. true story.
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Okay.

You're most likely a very intelligent person, but that was one of the dumbest comments I have ever seen.

You don't have to like the blue turf, but to say getting rid of it would give Boise State a "better deal" from the BCS is ridiculous.

:)

What would give Boise State a "better deal" from the BCS would be for them to get an invite from the MWC which could potentially push the MWC in to an AQ conference. Bring Fresno State and Nevada along to make it a 12 team conference with a conference title game.



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Rodimus, I understand your argument, but I definitely do not agree with it. I don't agree with your argument that the whole point of a college education is to give someone a piece of paper. It's more about preparing for your future career, whether that be in the military, athletics or astrophysics.

But above all that, my biggest problem with your idea is that you're also penalizing future students that would be eligible for those scholarships. Regardless of whether a student/athlete leaves early for the NFL or simply drops out, if that scholarship is locked up for the remaining "term", then that takes away an opportunity for another student.

That's not good for anyone.

Rodimus Prime said:
Lets face it very few of the football players make it in the NFL and if they do not have a degree then they got nothing and are screwed after the fact. Or what if they get injured in their first year. They are still screwed because they were not around long enough to make any money to live off of and have no degree to fall back on. In that sense the school still fails at completing it main goal.
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I think most universities truly want the best for their student/athletes, but that doesn't mean they have control over them. If someone wishes to drop out and try for the draft then that is their own decision, and it doesn't always work out. A prime example would be Boise State's WR Jeremy Childs. He decided he was going to declare for the draft last year and forego his senior year at Boise State. He didn't get drafted OR signed as a free agent. No practice squad, nothing.

But that was his choice, not Boise State's. Coach Peterson even said that he talked with Childs and recommended that he come back to Boise State for his last year, but that Childs is an adult and can make his own decisions.

If ANYTHING, I think you would have a stronger argument by saying that the scholarship terms should include a payback clause if not fully utilized, but even that's thin at best.
 
I don't think we're gonna lose to NU ::knocking vigorously on wood::. As Ignatius said, their offense is somewhat anemic to begin with, and I think our defense will come out with something to prove. Colt knows that he needs a big game to impress the Heisman voters, and while NU has a decent defense, I think we'll put up some points.

Plus the game is being played in Texas' backyard, so I'd imagine the crowd will be more burnt orange than red. I'm thinking this is gonna be a 28-10 kind of win for us.

At least I hope so. ;)
 
Rodimus Prime said:
Problem with your argument on the Bill Gates part is the school did not give him a scholarship. Harvard is private universtiy but public universities are punished when people fail to get a degree because they get less money from the state.
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The fact that Gates was not on scholarship is not the point. According to your argument, anyone who attends college and leaves without a degree has been failed by the school, so the school should be punished accordingly. I think everyone can agree that it's not always so simple.

Rodimus Prime said:
I still see nothing wrong with punishing the school for the people failing to get a degree. One of the things the NCAA reqauires is proof the students working torwards a degree. By your argument the schools should not be required to do anything but have them play football. No I think the NCAA should start putting requirements on them getting a degree.
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Again, I agree that students should be working towards a degree and in no place did I say otherwise, but a school cannot force any student (on scholarship or not, student-athlete or not) to stay in school. How can you punish a school for something it has NO control over?

Rodimus Prime said:
If some one leaves earily to go to the NFL the school failed to provide them an educatation and a degree and therefor should have the scholarship locked up. Does not cost them money because they do not have to pay for the student but at the same time they can not give it away. It would make football programs by far getting the students ready for the real world.
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Again, players that leave early for the NFL do so not because the school wants them to or pushes them to it, but because THEY WANT TO. Perhaps the NCAA should force any student who leaves early to pay back every dollar in scholarship funds they got. Using your own argument, they would have "failed" the school and forced them to give up a scholarship because they didn't want to stay in school.

Also, the NBA and NFL require players to be a certain amount of time removed from high school. If those rules weren't in place, many of the best athletes would pass up college altogether (as happens in MLB and used to happen in the NBA). Because of those leagues' rules, however, many of these kids have little choice other than to go to college, but as soon as they are eligible for the draft and everyone tells them to go for the money, they bolt. Do you really think Ohio State wanted to lose Greg Oden after one year? Or that Texas wanted to lose Kevin Durant after a single season? But the sad fact is that those players never had any intention of staying four years and only went to as much class as they needed to to remain eligible. So if you are going to punish the schools, you need to punish the individuals, as well. We all know that's not going to happen, though.

Rodimus Prime said:
Lets face it very few of the football players make it in the NFL and if they do not have a degree then they got nothing and are screwed after the fact. Or what if they get injured in their first year. They are still screwed because they were not around long enough to make any money to live off of and have no degree to fall back on. In that sense the school still fails at completing it main goal.
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I agree that everyone who goes to college should strive to earn a degree, but that's not what we're talking about here. What we are talking about is kids (yes, pampered children really) who make their own decisions often DESPITE what their coaches and academic advisors tell them.

What you are suggesting is tantamount to throwing a parent in prison if their 21-year-old child kills someone in a drunk driving accident.
 
Go Texas!

Go Georgia Tech!

....

I say Ga. Tech because they need to beat Clemson so TCU can play Ga. Tech in the Orange Bowl and we can go to the Fiesta Bowl. I really don't want to go to the Orange Bowl, particularly because I don't think I'll be able to go to Miami, but Glendale is definitely doable!

Hope everyone's havin a good week!

Go Broncos!

:)
 
Rodimus Prime said:
Lets face it very few of the football players make it in the NFL and if they do not have a degree then they got nothing and are screwed after the fact. Or what if they get injured in their first year. They are still screwed because they were not around long enough to make any money to live off of and have no degree to fall back on. In that sense the school still fails at completing it main goal.
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you can always go back to school. You can't always get guaranteed millions of dollars.
 
jecapaga said:
Me too, as far as seeing a game in Eugene. Oregon looks great. Can't wait for the bowl games and this one!
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Looking back, I think I was a little too enthusiastic about Oregon. I still think they'll beat Ohio State, but it'll be a good game.

And Hook'em! Beat Nebraska!
 
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