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2009/10 College Football Thread

I'll say this right now: Texas will get rolled (pun intended!) by a score of 27-13 if the Longhorns coaching staff can't figure out how to slow down that frightening Alabama defense to keep Colt McCoy on his feet. Unlike the 2005 Longhorns, McCoy is not a running threat Vince Young was, and that means the Crimson Tide coaching staff can key in on McCoy.
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?page=roadtobcs/0909

well one predicition is a BSU TCU game :mad:

in other news,

Texas widened the gap over TCU in coaches poll so Texas is pretty much guranateed to be in title game now if there was any doubt

Nebraska actually moved up in the poll despite the loss

Nebraska should have won when time ran out
"The play was not reviewable according the the Big12 instant replay guide. Section 3 states that a reviewable play includes a clock adjustment when a ruling on the field is reversed. There was no ruling on the field that was reversed."
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I think you're right. According to Big 12 rules, Texas got away with one...

Section 3. Reviewable Plays
Side Line, Goal Line, End Line
Article 1. Reviewable plays governed by a sideline, goal line or an end line include:
a. Scoring plays, including a runner in possession of a live ball breaking the plane of a goal line.
b. A pass ruled complete, incomplete or intercepted at a side line, goal line or an end line.
c. A runner or pass receiver ruled in or out of bounds.
d. Recovery of a loose ball in or out of bounds in the field of play or an end zone.

Passes
Article 2. Reviewable plays involving passes include:
a. A pass ruled complete, incomplete or intercepted anywhere in the field of play or an end zone.
b. A legal forward pass touched by an ineligible receiver.
c. A legal forward pass touched by a defensive player.
d. A fumble ruled on the part of a potential passer. (Note: If the on-field ruling is forward pass and the pass is incomplete, the play is not reviewable).
e. A forward pass or forward handing ruled when a runner is beyond the line of scrimmage.
f. A forward pass or forward handing ruled after a change of possession.
g. A pass ruled forward or backward when thrown from behind the line of scrimmage. (Exception: If the pass is ruled forward and is incomplete, the play is not reviewable).

Miscellaneous
Article 3. Miscellaneous reviewable plays include:
a. A runner judged to have been not down by rule. (Note: If a runner is ruled down, the play is not reviewable).
b. A runner’s forward progress with respect to a first down.
c. Touching of any type kick by any player.
d. The number of players participating by either team during a live ball.
e. A scrimmage kicker beyond the line of scrimmage when the ball is kicked.
f. Clock adjustment when a ruling on the field is reversed.
g. A fumble recovery by a Team A player during fourth down or a try and before any change of possession.

Plays Not Reviewable
Article 4. No other plays or officiating decisions are reviewable.
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I do not think Texas got away with it. What was under review was to make sure when the play was dead that the clock was correct.
There was nothing over turn because as you noticed the officals did not even call the game over. They told Nebraska to get off the field and wanted it reviewed.

I have been at big 12 games were the officail stop the game to have time put back on the clock even requested it be reviewed to make sure it was right. That time the clock ran for an extra 10 sec or so after it should of stop and the official noticed it. Play went under review to see when the incomplete pass should of stop it.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
I do not think Texas got away with it. What was under review was to make sure when the play was dead that the clock was correct.
There was nothing over turn because as you noticed the officals did not even call the game over. They told Nebraska to get off the field and wanted it reviewed.

I have been at big 12 games were the officail stop the game to have time put back on the clock even requested it be reviewed to make sure it was right. That time the clock ran for an extra 10 sec or so after it should of stop and the official noticed it. Play went under review to see when the incomplete pass should of stop it.
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Whether or not they got it correct is not the matter at hand. The rules simply do not provide for a review of the clock alone (when no other part of the play is reviewable). How many times have we been told that a fumble or some other part of a game cannot be reviewed because of some silly rule (such as whistle blowing early)? As much as we want replay to be used all the time, some plays simply aren't reviewable according to the rules.

Last night's boneheaded play by McCoy was not reviewable, but because it was Texas and because a trip to the national title game was on the line, they made an exception (and are now lying about it).
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
Whether or not they got it correct is not the matter at hand. The rules simply do not provide for a review of the clock alone (when no other part of the play is reviewable). How many times have we been told that a fumble or some other part of a game cannot be reviewed because of some silly rule (such as whistle blowing early)? As much as we want replay to be used all the time, some plays simply aren't reviewable according to the rules.

Last night's boneheaded play by McCoy was not reviewable, but because it was Texas and because a trip to the national title game was on the line, they made an exception (and are now lying about it).
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The only play that is not reviewable is a incomplete pass can not be reviewed to see if it was a complete pass.

I have seen multiple fumbles go under review.
The clock one is revieawable. In this case the review not not to over rule a play but to check on the timing of the clock. Since it was not a play and the refs never called the game over it was legal.

Btw I would of like to of seen Texas lose for no other reason than to see a Non BCS team play for the championship. Lets face it UT is not rank 2 caliber this year.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
If they knew there was time left on the clock, why then did they review it (even though the rules don't provide for a review in that case)?
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Because it was so close. The refs on the field can call for on at almost any time. This time it was really close and the refs knew it was iffy. It was very clear on the replay that tere was 1 sec left and hell watching the game the ball hit the ground out of bounds before time ran out.

Now it would of been PR hell if they did not put that time on the clock and Texas out of rightful be able to claim they got robbed. Nebraska would of also not of felt as good about having the win because it was a cheating win.

Also Nebraska made a lot and I mean a LOT of stupid mistakes that cost them that game. The completely lack of an offense being one of them.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
The only play that is not reviewable is a incomplete pass can not be reviewed to see if it was a complete pass.

I have seen multiple fumbles go under review.
The clock one is revieawable. In this case the review not not to over rule a play but to check on the timing of the clock. Since it was not a play and the refs never called the game over it was legal.
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That's not how it works. The Big 12 rules, which I posted here, lay out every instance in which a play is reviewable. According to those very same rules, anything not listed specifically as a reviewable play is not reviewable (according to Section 3, Article 4).

So can you just tell me, based on the rules I posted above, which one the refs last night used to review the clock?

Rodimus Prime said:
Now it would of been PR hell if they did not put that time on the clock and Texas out of rightful be able to claim they got robbed. Nebraska would of also not of felt as good about having the win because it was a cheating win.

Also Nebraska made a lot and I mean a LOT of stupid mistakes that cost them that game. The completely lack of an offense being one of them.
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They had PR hell last year because of the stupid tiebreaker rule, but they didn't just ignore the rule because it was inconvenient for Texas (though Mack Brown really tried to get them to).

As for Nebraska's ineptitude, I agree. But the fact that they were still in position to win the game despite that means that Texas clearly isn't good enough to play for the national championship.
 
But then what mechanism is in place to prevent a clock operator from running any arbitrary amount of time off the clock to end a game? If Colt had spiked the ball at ten seconds, but the clock ran to zero anyway, the game just ends?

IgnatiusTheKing said:
But the fact that they were still in position to win the game despite that means that Texas clearly isn't good enough to play for the national championship.
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Alabama needed Tennessee to miss a field goal to get that win at home. Is Alabama therefore not good enough to play for the title either? Now I can't argue that we're a genuine #2 (and if you remember, I've been saying that we have been over-ranked all season long), but we are undefeated.

So is TCU. So is Cincinnati. This is why we need a playoff.
 
dmr727 said:
But then what mechanism is in place to prevent a clock operator from running any arbitrary amount of time off the clock to end a game? If Colt had spiked the ball at ten seconds, but the clock ran to zero anyway, the game just ends?
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Very good point and something that needs to be addressed in the rules, but clearly it isn't there right now.

Of course, McCoy didn't need to spike the ball because he had a timeout left. The fact that he didn't know how much time was left on the clock is the worst part of it all.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
That's not how it works. The Big 12 rules, which I posted here, lay out every instance in which a play is reviewable. According to those very same rules, anything not listed specifically as a reviewable play is not reviewable (according to Section 3, Article 4).

So can you just tell me, based on the rules I posted above, which one the refs last night used to review the clock?



They had PR hell last year because of the stupid tiebreaker rule, but they didn't just ignore the rule because it was inconvenient for Texas (though Mack Brown really tried to get them to).

As for Nebraska's ineptitude, I agree. But the fact that they were still in position to win the game despite that means that Texas clearly isn't good enough to play for the national championship.
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Here is the problem. It was not a play be review to be over turn. That is the problem. Since it is not a play it is being reviewed under something else.

Only thing be reviewed was when the should of stop clock stopped. Sicne the clock is not run by the official.. Hell the officials wanted it reviewed compared to the game clock so it was being reviewed. They were not over turning anything.

dmr made a point about that. It is common sense that it should of been changed. Game clock is not a play so you might want to dig in deeper and look at the game clock information.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
Here is the problem. It was not a play be review to be over turn. That is the problem. Since it is not a play it is being reviewed under something else.

Only thing be reviewed was when the should of stop clock stopped.
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The rules do not provide for replay to be used to review when the clock should have stopped. As I have pretty clearly stated numerous times now, the only times replay can be used are those listed above.
 
dsnort said:
Well, 'Bama man handled my Gators, ( here's where we need a crying smiley emoticon). They played a great game, they deserve it, hats off to them.

But having watched the Texas-Nebraska game, the idea of a 'Bama- Texas match up doesn't really appeal to me. Would like to see TCU jump Texas, 'Bama-Tcu seems a more compelling matchup.
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You and me both..........
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
The rules do not provide for replay to be used to review when the clock should have stopped. As I have pretty clearly stated numerous times now, the only times replay can be used are those listed above.
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well the head supervior of refs for the big 12 already public stated that they made the right call in reviewing it and adding the second back onto the clock.

Your argument is based on a play being over turn. Since it was not a play those rules do not apply. Sense it is not a play instant replay over ruling or being used is only for a play. Since it does a dead ball and making sure clock is put were it shoudl be it was correct to use. end of story.

This unless you can account for the fact ball being spike and clocking running 10 secs off. Replay would of been used there to see were the clock needed to be rolled back to. Even you would call something like that stupid if they did not put the time back on the clock.
 
rhett7660 said:
I think the day was best summed up for me with seeing Tebow crying like a little girl on the sidelines. That was the best!!!!!

Roll Tide Roll....
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Nearly all seniors cry after their last/most important games

I am glad it was so fun for you to watch one of the best college players of all time and one of the best/most giving person cry. People find the dumbest reasons to hate on Tebow because they can't find any real reasons.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
well the head supervior of refs for the big 12 already public stated that they made the right call in reviewing it and adding the second back onto the clock.
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He also said the clock operator was correct in running the time to zero. Apparently he is ignoring the fact that the rules regulating what is and is not reviewable do not provide for the refs to review whether or not the clock should have run to zero.

Rodimus Prime said:
Your argument is based on a play being over turn. Since it was not a play those rules do not apply. Sense it is not a play instant replay over ruling or being used is only for a play. Since it does a dead ball and making sure clock is put were it shoudl be it was correct to use. end of story.
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Uh no. That's not my argument at all. My argument is that the Big 12 only allows replay to be used to check the clock when a play has been overturned. As no play was overturned, replay cannot be used to review the clock. (The rules only address checking the clock via replay in one instance, and that is when "when a ruling on the field is reversed.")

Rodimus Prime said:
This unless you can account for the fact ball being spike and clocking running 10 secs off. Replay would of been used there to see were the clock needed to be rolled back to. Even you would call something like that stupid if they did not put the time back on the clock.
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There is apparently no provision in the rules for such a case, which is an oversight to say the least. The bottom line is that the official time went to 00:00 and the refs violated Big 12 rules by using replay to check whether or now it should simply because the rule states that, other than the specifically cited instances in which replay can be used, "No other plays or officiating decisions are reviewable."

So unless anyone can tell me which of the rule-stated uses of replay the refs used to review the clock, I will continue to believe that the rule was violated.
 
Let's just go down the Big 12's list of reviewable circumstances and see which one fits.

Section 3. Reviewable Plays
Side Line, Goal Line, End Line
Article 1. Reviewable plays governed by a sideline, goal line or an end line include:
a. Scoring plays, including a runner in possession of a live ball breaking the plane of a goal line. Nope
b. A pass ruled complete, incomplete or intercepted at a side line, goal line or an end line. Nope
c. A runner or pass receiver ruled in or out of bounds. Nope
d. Recovery of a loose ball in or out of bounds in the field of play or an end zone. Nope

Passes
Article 2. Reviewable plays involving passes include:
a. A pass ruled complete, incomplete or intercepted anywhere in the field of play or an end zone. Nope
b. A legal forward pass touched by an ineligible receiver. Nope
c. A legal forward pass touched by a defensive player. Nope
d. A fumble ruled on the part of a potential passer. (Note: If the on-field ruling is forward pass and the pass is incomplete, the play is not reviewable). Nope
e. A forward pass or forward handing ruled when a runner is beyond the line of scrimmage. Nope
f. A forward pass or forward handing ruled after a change of possession. Nope
g. A pass ruled forward or backward when thrown from behind the line of scrimmage. (Exception: If the pass is ruled forward and is incomplete, the play is not reviewable). Nope

Miscellaneous
Article 3. Miscellaneous reviewable plays include:
a. A runner judged to have been not down by rule. (Note: If a runner is ruled down, the play is not reviewable). Nope
b. A runner’s forward progress with respect to a first down. Nope
c. Touching of any type kick by any player. Nope
d. The number of players participating by either team during a live ball. Nope
e. A scrimmage kicker beyond the line of scrimmage when the ball is kicked. Nope
f. Clock adjustment when a ruling on the field is reversed. Nope (there was no ruling on the field that was reversed. It was a clear incomplete pass)
g. A fumble recovery by a Team A player during fourth down or a try and before any change of possession. Nope

These are the only instances in which instant replay can be invoked in a Big 12-officiated game. Since the question of whether or not the clock ran to zero before the ball hit the ground is not clearly defined by one of the above instances, Article 4 comes into play.

Plays Not Reviewable
Article 4. No other plays or officiating decisions are reviewable.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
Last night's boneheaded play by McCoy was not reviewable, but because it was Texas and because a trip to the national title game was on the line, they made an exception (and are now lying about it).
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The only thing I might say here is that from a financial standpoint, the Big 12 would have been much better off with a Nebraska win, and subsequently two BCS berths.
 
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