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I guess we'll see what happens to USC.

They might yet get slapped, but I just don't think it will happen. It will be very interesting to see how it plays out.

Back on the coaching change at USC, it's now being reported that Norm Chow is jumping from UCLA back to USC to be Kiffin's Offensive Coordinator. What a crazy day. USC fans must be pleased with these moves.
 
They might yet get slapped, but I just don't think it will happen. It will be very interesting to see how it plays out.

Back on the coaching change at USC, it's now being reported that Norm Chow is jumping from UCLA back to USC to be Kiffin's Offensive Coordinator. What a crazy day. USC fans must be pleased with these moves.

Have you heard if he is taking his dad for the defense?
 
We over here at USC are absolutely ECSTATIC.

Lane, Monte, Orgeron, Norm Chow. Coaching dream team. Best collection of coaching in college football history. We're ready. Bring it on. Some scholarship sanctions to come? Maybe, but that just means we'll sign a few less 3 star recruits.


FIGHT ON.
 
We over here at USC are absolutely ECSTATIC.

Lane, Monte, Orgeron, Norm Chow. Coaching dream team. Best collection of coaching in college football history. We're ready. Bring it on. Some scholarship sanctions to come? Maybe, but that just means we'll sign a few less 3 star recruits.


FIGHT ON.

As long as Oregeron isn't a head coach, he will be fine. :)

One thing that always baffled me about him is how he is such a good recruiter. He barely speaks English! I don't see how anybody outside south Louisiana or south Mississippi can understand him. Wow. Oh yeah, he's also crazy.

I couldn't resist these:

Ed Orgeron car commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX7wzhMvbzo

Video from his last (3-8) season: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n1KPQmdddY&feature=related
 
I want Justin Wilcox ...

No!

:)

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So Kiffin to USC... Wow.

Obviously USC fans are excited, but I still don't think this means they will be great next season. 2010-11 is going to be an adjustment year, and I predict they will not finish the season ranked. Too many distractions, and Kiffin will just add to those.

Seeing the way Kiffin acts makes this move not very surprising, but one year?? Is he REALLY that big of a catch? And only an $800,000 buyout at UT? That was surprising. I would think it would have been at least a million.

I have no respect for Kiffin, and I don't think he'll do well for the Trojans.

Just my opinion...
 
Obviously USC fans are excited, but I still don't think this means they will be great next season. 2010-11 is going to be an adjustment year, and I predict they will not finish the season ranked.

Unranked?! This is USC. We have five star talent at almost every position and flirting with being unranked this year was because we are such a young team with Barkley quarterbacking. Expect things.

Is he REALLY that big of a catch?

When he brings Monte Kiffin and Orgeron and hopefully Norm Chow with him, YES.

And to those who saying I'm hyperbolizing, please explain. We have Kiffin and Orgeron, two of the best recruiters in the nation along with Monte Kiffin who just being here is going to attract even more five star defensive talent (because all of those players want to play in the NFL, a league that uses his defense a lot). Norm Chow, who is expected to come (but not officially yet unlike earlier reports suggested), is going to attract all the offensive talent. He's an offensive genius. This is better than an NFL coaching staff. People shouldn't look into Kiffin's stint with the Raiders too much...it was the Raiders. One of the most dysfunctional, broken franchises in the league. He wasn't free to change things up (Al Davis wouldn't let him bench Jamarcus Russell) so every win he got was impressive in my view.
 
It seems the students at UT didn't take Kiffin's departure very kindly.

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=110451&catid=2

Oh yeah, and Orgeron was a class act, as well. It seems he called some of UT's early commitments and asked them not to attend classes this term and instead sign with USC.

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2010/jan/13/sources-say-orgeron-telling-ut-enrollees-not-to/


I'm sure Phil Fulmer has to find this all very amusing. I would personally be pulling a Nelson from the Simpsons today.
 
And to those who saying I'm hyperbolizing, please explain.

I'm not saying that it isn't an impressive collection of coaches, but the greatest ever? Before they've ever coached a game together? Hardly.

  • Lane Kiffin is still a huge question mark as a head coach. He's not had success at any of his (very brief) previous stops.
  • Monte Kiffin is a great defensive coach...in the NFL. He did well, for one year, in the SEC, but let's see how he does against more creative offenses in the Pac 10 after they have a chance to adjust to him.
  • Ed Orgeron is a great recruiter but can hardly be called one of the greatest college coaches ever.
  • Norm Chow was a great coach a decade ago, but his offenses since he left USC have been far short of decent (let alone great). He may yet find success again, or the game may have passed him by while he was in the NFL. He'll have to have a lot more success this time around before I'm comfortable with calling him the greatest offensive coordinator in college football history.
 
Unranked?! This is USC. We have five star talent at almost every position and flirting with being unranked this year was because we are such a young team with Barkley quarterbacking. Expect things.



When he brings Monte Kiffin and Orgeron and hopefully Norm Chow with him, YES.

And to those who saying I'm hyperbolizing, please explain. We have Kiffin and Orgeron, two of the best recruiters in the nation along with Monte Kiffin who just being here is going to attract even more five star defensive talent (because all of those players want to play in the NFL, a league that uses his defense a lot). Norm Chow, who is expected to come (but not officially yet unlike earlier reports suggested), is going to attract all the offensive talent. He's an offensive genius. This is better than an NFL coaching staff. People shouldn't look into Kiffin's stint with the Raiders too much...it was the Raiders. One of the most dysfunctional, broken franchises in the league. He wasn't free to change things up (Al Davis wouldn't let him bench Jamarcus Russell) so every win he got was impressive in my view.

After this season, you should know better than basing how well a team recruits mostly on how good the recruits you will get are. One thing I have learned from college football is that it is no the calibur of the talent you have, it's how you develop the players. You know who else had a freshman quarterback this season? Utah. Utah also didn't lose some embarassing games this past season. And to top it off, Utah's freshman QB was not a five stat recruit.

I will be interested to see how USC does next year. No doubt they have potential. Good recruits can't be overlooked. But unless the team is taught and coached well, they will have some trouble.

P-Worm
 
Obviously it'll be a big loss for Texas if we lose Muschamp, but I think he'll be a good hire for Tennessee, and a great opportunity for Will. I wish him the best of luck if it happens.
 
Here's an interesting article about the Kiffin move to USC.

Kiffin keeps falling forward to USC

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports

So let’s sort out this Lane Kiffin from Tennessee to Southern California deal as best as we can.

USC, one of the top-five jobs in college football, just hired a guy who went 7-6 in his only season as a college head coach. He previously went 5-15 for the Oakland Raiders. Sure, Lane brings his dad, Monte, with him as defensive coordinator, but for how long?

USC, which is facing a multi-sport, department-wide NCAA bloodletting next month, just hired a guy who in his tenure at Tennessee was a walking secondary violation (six of them), had two players booted off the team after an attempted armed robbery and leaves with NCAA investigators looking into how the program used recruiting hostesses. And, of course, he was a Trojan assistant when the compliance trouble USC must answer for began.

USC, which is still smarting from the supposed “disloyalty” of Pete Carroll (who left after nine years, mind you), just hired a guy who Raiders owner Al Davis accused of being “immature” and a “flat-out liar.” Kiffin, 34, did his best to disprove Davis by walking out after a single season on a UT administration that gave him a plum SEC job for no known reason.

(Wait, did USC athletic director Mike Garrett just make Al Davis look like he was correct about something?)

Oh, and Tennessee? That roll of the dice on the Smirk of the South leaves them coachless weeks before signing day when finding a viable replacement is exponentially more difficult. Hey, the one-liners about the Gators and the Pahokee High fax machine were fun while they lasted though, right?

Mike Garrett And despite all of that, I don’t think this was the worst move by the Trojans.

It tells you what you need to know about Garrett and Kiffin, both of whom deserve plenty of ridicule. In terms of potential wins and losses though, this might actually work out. That’s especially true if USC winds up with a staff that includes Norm Chow as offensive coordinator and Monte Kiffin as defensive coordinator.

Of course, Lane also needs to avoid self-destructing and no one, absolutely no one, can guarantee that won’t happen.

In the meantime, the real question is who is cackling harder right now: 1. Urban Meyer, 2. Phil Fulmer, 3. Notre Dame fans?

Fulmer, no doubt, doesn’t look so old and uncool to the fans who wanted him out (didn’t you see me in “The Blind Side”?). ND can point out that when it took a flyer on an unproven coach at least Charlie Weis had four Super Bowl rings as an assistant. As an added bonus, it now has a coach, Brian Kelly, who might have a decided schematic advantage over their archrival after all.

That said, based on the video of a laughing Meyer checking his text messages at Tuesday’s Florida basketball game, we’ll go with No. 1. If nothing else, Meyer’s stress level just returned to normal. This clinches it. Soon, the Gators are getting their daddy back.

The least happy person is Volunteer AD Mike Hamilton. He stuck his neck out for Kiffin because Kiffin talked a good game and, hey, when the clairvoyant Al Davis (for about 15 minutes) thinks someone might be the perfect coach for his new franchise quarterback, JaMarcus Russell, how don’t you pay attention?

Now Hamilton is stuck wondering what happened and hoping, when it comes to an NCAA investigation, that nothing actually did. Good luck to Hamilton finding an SEC-level coach at this time of year. This will be especially difficult since the Kiffin debacle will likely undermine his authority and send his boosters into a state of infighting chaos.

After all, Tuesday night police were called in to break up a crowd of fans who were standing outside the football offices chanting obscenities about Kiffin, according to local news reports.

Or, consider my five favorite thread titles on the Volquest message boards Tuesday night (or, at least the printable ones).

5. Glad I only named my dog Kiffin.

4. Al Davis wasn’t as crazy as we all thought.

3. Pat Summitt is more of a man than Lane Kiffin.

2. It’s like getting a divorce from a stripper!

1. Layla can stay.

Link to full article

As a Vol fan I've got to say reading stuff like this makes me think that this could be a blessing in disguise. I've got to admit that I was never really impressed with Kiffin, but did love that he brought his dad's defensive mind with him.
 
I am real interested in seeing what USC does now. I firmly believe a team is nothing without a coach so this should be real interesting. I know little about Kiffin outside of ESPN stats, but I bet they start wishing Caroll would find his way back.
 
We can afford more than UCLA. Besides, we were paying Pete $4.5 million per year. Lane Kiffin will make far less and that extra savings can be put towards getting Norm Chow.

That may be true, but you've got to give raises to everyone Kiffin is bringing over. Monte was making $1.2M per year at Tennessee. Ed Orgeron was making $650k per year and now Norm Chow says it will take "NFL money" to get him to leave UCLA for USC.

So you're talking more than $3M per year just for three coaches. You've still got to pay the head guy (Lane was making $2M per at UT) and your other 7-8 coaches, plus you're paying the (small peanuts) $800k buy-out on Kiffin's Vol contract.

Add it all up and you're paying close to $10M per year for an all-star cast of over-the-hill coaches headed by an NCAA degenerate with a lifetime coaching record of 12-21.

Pat Forde said it best:

Paris Hilton has paid more dues than Lane Kiffin.

Kiffin comes across as a guy who was born on third base and acts as if he hit a triple -- but given the way people have thrown good jobs and big money at him, it's hard to blame him for thinking he's the next Knute Rockne.
 
Here's an interesting article about the Kiffin move to USC.



Link to full article

As a Vol fan I've got to say reading stuff like this makes me think that this could be a blessing in disguise. I've got to admit that I was never really impressed with Kiffin, but did love that he brought his dad's defensive mind with him.

That article you posted is horrendous. I've talked about several of the points it raised already and the rest of them reek of backtracking. The people who were excited Kiffin was being hired are now trying to justify his leaving for their fragile egos.

As an unnamed college rivals said: If all the assistant coaching moves fall into place, Winnie the Pooh could be the head coach.

Ignatius, we can afford them. If Tennessee can afford Lane and Monte, we can afford them and Norm and Orgeron.
 
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