The Australian GP result is still changing. Now McLaren have been excluded for providing "misleading" evidence to the stewards...
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Dammit, I was just coming to post that!
Hopefully they'll scrap their other unfair decision from Oz.
Hopefully they'll scrap their other unfair decision from Oz.
This has horribly soured a great weekend, but it could have been easily avoidable. Australian TV should have had the images of the incident to hand readily. Evidently they didn't, which made Trulli and Toyota accept their penalty magnanimously but erroneously. This is the F1 equivalent of Rafa Benitez submitting images of Cristiano Ronaldo stabbing Fernando Torres in the groin and then there not being any contradictory footage from Sky.
Quite the opposite. This is one step to fixing the mistakes the FIA made at the weekend.
It shows that they are willing to do the right thing, even if it takes a while.
It shows that they are willing to do the right thing, even if it takes a while.
In my opinion it is things like this that really do no good for the sport of F1 in terms of public opinion. Everything is so closed doors that it just seems at times it is the battle of the lawyers/stewards/team in the backrooms that have the biggest effect.
As others have pointed out for their to be no evidence at the time is perhaps farcial. And if the lack of evidence as suggested why did they take one drivers/team words over anothers. Why not wait until further details can be had.
From the coverage Hamilton was third by the end of it Hamilton was fourth. Something happened.
It all seems a little silly to demote him completely out of the rankings why not just revert the standings to the orginal as they crossed the line. I know there should be punishment for providing misleading evidence and the regulations probably state how these should be put in place. But this just takes away the part of the enjoyment of watching it. I may as well just wait a week for the results to be changed before watching the race.
As others have pointed out for their to be no evidence at the time is perhaps farcial. And if the lack of evidence as suggested why did they take one drivers/team words over anothers. Why not wait until further details can be had.
From the coverage Hamilton was third by the end of it Hamilton was fourth. Something happened.
It all seems a little silly to demote him completely out of the rankings why not just revert the standings to the orginal as they crossed the line. I know there should be punishment for providing misleading evidence and the regulations probably state how these should be put in place. But this just takes away the part of the enjoyment of watching it. I may as well just wait a week for the results to be changed before watching the race.
It's worse than that. We still have to wait for the appeal against the Brawn GP/Toyota/Williams diffusers. It could still be that they will be DQed leaving who as the winner?
I think they rule should be altered to mean that penalties are applied to later races leaving the race results to stand. We want to see the winner cross the line and take the flag, not this crap.
First race and its a farce already.
From reading the news Mclaren on purpose let Trulli pass as they thought they had overtaken him unfairly, and now lol, they do that to stop being punished and lol they get punished anyway.
What we have here a is a dull sport all of a sudden made exciting by a range of good new drivers then ruined because the stewards don't even know what is happening.
From reading the news Mclaren on purpose let Trulli pass as they thought they had overtaken him unfairly, and now lol, they do that to stop being punished and lol they get punished anyway.
What we have here a is a dull sport all of a sudden made exciting by a range of good new drivers then ruined because the stewards don't even know what is happening.
Why does Lewis and MacLaren let themselves, and it turn Formula One, down in such a way. They have no-one to blame except themselves.
What could the FIA do? Ignore the new information and then when someone leaked it to the press look even worse!
It maybe a mess, but at least it is the right decision.
Now MacLaren and Hamilton need to be charged with bringing the sport into disrepute. Utter disgrace.
What could the FIA do? Ignore the new information and then when someone leaked it to the press look even worse!
It maybe a mess, but at least it is the right decision.
Now MacLaren and Hamilton need to be charged with bringing the sport into disrepute. Utter disgrace.
First race and its a farce already.
From reading the news Mclaren on purpose let Trulli pass as they thought they had overtaken him unfairly, and now lol, they do that to stop being punished and lol they get punished anyway.
What we have here a is a dull sport all of a sudden made exciting by a range of good new drivers then ruined because the stewards don't even know what is happening.
The problem is that MacLaren told Lewis to let Trulli past, but Hamilton told the stewards that Trulli just overtook him. As soon as the stewards heard the radio conversations something had to be done.
EDIT: With regard to the Brawn, the cars past inspection so the can not be banned from the race and the result does stand.
Shouldn't they get it right in the first place? On Tuesday I think they changed the result. And they've changed it again today. There is telemetry on the cars so they know where the car is at any time. They can listen to the radio conversations.
The stewards had a meeting on Sunday evening after the race when they did not have all the evidence. Cars will be going through the inspection before data can be downloaded and they believed what Hamilton and MacLaren told them. Now the data has been seen by the FIA they have asked the stewards to look at the situation again.
If MacLaren and Hamilton had not lied then there would have been no need for this. With the information they had on Sunday and the statements from the drivers, the stewards made the right decision with the information they had, they had no reason to doubt Hamilton's statement.
Lewis/McLaren lied and they got caught. That is unsportsmanlike, and exclusion from the race is the appropriate punishment. Don't blame the FIA for taking away your enjoyment. Only Lewis and McLaren are culpable in this case.
Still looked better then the version on SPEED SD (especially since for a time during qualifying SPEED was broadcasting the widescreen SD feed on the SD channel so all the Driver's names were off the screen - you could only see the times.
agree that was horrible. speed always has parts of the feed that is 'out' of the tv (at least on my tv), like for example the lap number at top. it drives me crazy.
but the qualis mistake was brutal. it made almost impossible to follow q1
On another note of contention which will rear its head this weekend I am sure: Bernie is really screwing the Asian circuits. Now Singapore has done a night race he wants all the early morning (UK time) race to be mid-morning / lunchtime. Australia and Malaysia have / will have problems with low light and basically racing in twilight. Bernie's answer; run with floodlights. Most of these circuits can not afford to run with floodlights so Bernie will find ways to remove the races in favour of circuits that will run with the floodlights.
He is a little Ba$tard some times!
He is a little Ba$tard some times!
That he is. Years back he was promoting Asian races over European ones because they didn't ban tobacco advertising on the circuit or the cars so they could bypass the EU ban on said advertising.
But the EU still remains the largest audience for F1 so now Bernie wants the races held in the evening so the EU folks don't need to get up at the crack of dawn like us poor souls in western North America.
I do have to say having attended both races that Singapore looked brilliant at night and even Australia in the twilight was quite pretty. But Melbourne has said they don't make money as-is (and attendance was said to be down this year) so spending all that money to set-up and run artificial lighting for three days will only put the race that much deeper in the red.
wow this was a great opener.
hey can any of the cars put new diffusers on there cars? or is that not allowed now with the rules i have no idea about on testing.
anyway, anyone know what happen to the Ferrari?
i saw when masa just died and have no idea what happened.
and i have no idea what happened to kimi.
i kinda watched the race in 3 parts i might have skipped it.
hey can any of the cars put new diffusers on there cars? or is that not allowed now with the rules i have no idea about on testing.
anyway, anyone know what happen to the Ferrari?
i saw when masa just died and have no idea what happened.
and i have no idea what happened to kimi.
i kinda watched the race in 3 parts i might have skipped it.
I'm sorry - how did he lie? And I mean that seriously - I'm confused. Based on the radio communications it seems like Lewis didn't know what was going on so he then let Trulli pass him since he had not heard back from the stewards/team.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74160
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74160
Kimi lost the back end coming out of a corner and smashed it into a wall.
Typical Kimi really...
They did not tell him to pass - they were checking and he had already let him pass.
Radio Log: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74159
AND what's up with all of you saying Lewis can't follow the safety car? Trulli says he went off becase he was having issues with him timing and cold breaks. He immediately turns around and says he passed Hamilton because he slowed down but didn't know why...maybe it's because he was trying to keep in line with the same timing/gap rule as everybody else?!?!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74148
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74148
That was my assumption too - probably dealt with fuel usage and perhaps wing adjustments too.
I still don't get how the stewards got it wrong the first time. When it was first announced and Toyota said they weren't going to appeal I thought well that is that.
At the first enquiry did they just ask the drivers opinions and judge on that???
Why couldn't the stewards do a decent job in the first place?
At the first enquiry did they just ask the drivers opinions and judge on that???
Why couldn't the stewards do a decent job in the first place?