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2009 Formula One Thread

Watched the highlights, quite interesting. Feel a bit bad its only half points because it must be hard to finish at all let alone high up.

I remember Ferrari used to have barge board covers many years ago.
 
benlangdon said:
that was a strange race.
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Indeed. Started out as Donnington Park 1993 (Grand Prix of Europe) and ended up being Adelaide 1991 (Grand Prix of Australia) - fortunately without the raw carnage of Adelaide...

Hopefully those half points won't come back to haunt the Championship front-runners down the road (since it reduces their points cushion).
 
A pretty good race while it was still running, but I would've preferred if they waited another 15 minutes as the weather did clear up.

I am glad to see that Hamilton finished with some points considering he had another horrible starting position. From what I've heard Hamilton and his father aren't very happy with the way McLaren handled this entire issue recently, and perhaps this is his last season here?
 
sn00pie said:
A pretty good race while it was still running, but I would've preferred if they waited another 15 minutes as the weather did clear up.
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Alas, in F1 a red flag suspends the race, but doesn't actually stop it. Therefore, while there was no action, the two hour clock was still running and it became clear that they could not re-start the race prior to the two hour time limit to hold a race in was exceeded. So they had no choice but to call it.

Have to tip the hat to Sir Richard. SPEED says his sponsorship deal with Brawn is $250,000 USD per race and the Virgin Group reaped some $10,000,000 worth of "television ad time" at Melbourne. Even with Sepang being called at a bit over half-distance, I expect they still did pretty well there, too.
 
CWallace said:
Alas, in F1 a red flag suspends the race, but doesn't actually stop it. Therefore, while there was no action, the two hour clock was still running and it became clear that they could not re-start the race prior to the two hour time limit to hold a race in was exceeded. So they had no choice but to call it.

Have to tip the hat to Sir Richard. SPEED says his sponsorship deal with Brawn is $250,000 USD per race and the Virgin Group reaped some $10,000,000 worth of "television ad time" at Melbourne. Even with Sepang being called at a bit over half-distance, I expect they still did pretty well there, too.
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$250,000 per GP this season, $30,000,000 for next season in total so if the budget cap gets introduced then they are sorted. Plus I can't think of any better than Ross Brawn to spend a budget wisely!
 
R.Youden said:
$250,000 per GP this season, $30,000,000 for next season in total so if the budget cap gets introduced then they are sorted. Plus I can't think of any better than Ross Brawn to spend a budget wisely!
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The budget cap is optional tho', with added bells and whistles for those who adhere to it.
 
Superman07 said:
Really sad the race didn't get to finish, but good job on Button for pole (and being in 1st when the race was called).

Easily the best moments from the weekend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrQhP-HuZNA&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwsjQF8pCec&feature=player_embedded

If anybody has an audio file of the first one I'd like a copy. That somehow needs to get on my phone as a ring tone! :D

Edit: Can we not insert YT files?
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whats up with kimi anyway?
why did he pit it?
 
benlangdon said:
whats up with kimi anyway?
why did he pit it?
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KERS problem I believe.

With regard to the budget cap, the FIA will make sure they have enough extras to ensure that the capped teams have a big enough advantage to ensure they win, hence making ever team want the budget cap.
 
R.Youden said:
KERS problem I believe.

With regard to the budget cap, the FIA will make sure they have enough extras to ensure that the capped teams have a big enough advantage to ensure they win, hence making ever team want the budget cap.
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when did this budget cap come around?
just heard about it from here.
 
benlangdon said:
when did this budget cap come around?
just heard about it from here.
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Adolph Mosely wants a budget cap in F1. The idea is that teams can opt-in to a $30million per year limit but they will have far more open regulations than the teams who want to spend $200million so the FIA will ensure that the restrictions on the unlimited teams are so tight that it is in their best interest to agree to the $30million budget. It is quite ironic than some teams have spent that $30million on KERS alone!
 
R.Youden said:
It is quite ironic than some teams have spent that $30million on KERS alone!
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Which will be standardised next year, taking away the only performance-differentiator the teams could possibly have when you take into account that Max would also love to have standard engines and aero.
 
So how come you never see shots of managers for other drivers? Sorry, but either his dad needs to go away, or they just need to focus on him less (that being the world feed cameras).

Another article says McLaren is trying very hard to work with the FIA beforehand to work through this matter.
 
I'm very disappointed with the extent to which the FIA has dragged this event. I think as always this will resolve with Hamilton being punished extremely unfairly, as he always is.

I just hope they don't end his season. I'd much rather see McLaren get a hefty fine.
 
I'm not for nor against Hamilton, but that fact is he lied. I don't care if he was pressured by his team manager, he could have showed some spine and stood his ground in favor of integrity. He didn't, so he'll just have to accept the consequences, even if it costs him a run for the championship.

It's not like he'd have to collect unemployment if he said no to McLaren. Not that that matters, but it certainly makes it easier to take the honest path.
 
iJohnHenry said:
The real World is not as you would wish it to be.

Who would hire a driver that rats on his team??
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A team that wants to win. They are in it for the sponsorship money and glory, not integrity. Alonso ratted out McLaren and not only did Renault hire him back, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him at another top tier team like Ferrari in the future. There's the real world for you.
 
I don't understand why you'd punish him further. You DQed him and took away an subsequent points. Additionally, that reinstated points to Truli and Toyota, so any wrong was corrected. Why is there a need to drag this out further? Ontop of that - and I hate to say it - I don't see Hamilton having a shot at the title this year. It's possible, but the team will seriously need to turn the car around by the end of April if they want a realistic shot.
 
Superman07 said:
I don't understand why you'd punish him further. You DQed him and took away an subsequent points. Additionally, that reinstated points to Truli and Toyota, so any wrong was corrected. Why is there a need to drag this out further? Ontop of that - and I hate to say it - I don't see Hamilton having a shot at the title this year. It's possible, but the team will seriously need to turn the car around by the end of April if they want a realistic shot.
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Except that Hamilton's lie had a victim in Jarno Trulli. If he had gotten away with it, Jarno would have been unfairly cheated. As it is Lewis took away Jarno's joy and celebration of getting on the podium when it counted.

I think that is really not OK, and maybe just excluding him from that race isn't enough. Hamilton acted in a very unethical and unsportsmanlike manner and he needs to understand it's wrong and there are consequences. I think an appropriate punishment is another point penalty, maybe 5-10 points.

Has he personally and sincerely apologized to Jarno (and I don't mean that press release)? If not, he owes that much.
 
I think the issue here is not Hamilton's conduct as he was following team orders, but rather the teams conduct for ordering him to lie. Lewis and his dad (who acts as his manager) have spoken with Max Mosley to see what options they have which means that he must be considering a split from McLaren. Interesting quote from the summons which goes to show just how stupid McLaren where in all of this:

On 2 April, at a second hearing before the stewards of the Australian Grand Prix meeting in Malaysia [Vodaphone McLaren Mercedes] made no attempt to correct the untrue statement of 29 March but, on the contrary, continued to maintain that the statement was true, despite being allowed to listen to a recording of the team instructing Hamilton to let Trulli past and despite being given more than one opportunity to correct its false statement
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McLaren have really shot themselves in the foot with cheating and scandals over the last few seasons. At some point they need to simply stop all the shenanigans, or face the prospect of being booted out of Formula One for a season - or worse. I was a bit of a McLaren supporter in the JPM and Raikkonen days, but they just stink of controversy.

Maybe Hamilton really should start looking elsewhere for a drive, for the long-term good of his career.
 
iJohnHenry said:
The real World is not as you would wish it to be.

Who would hire a driver that rats on his team??
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RaceTripper said:
A team that wants to win. They are in it for the sponsorship money and glory, not integrity. Alonso ratted out McLaren and not only did Renault hire him back, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him at another top tier team like Ferrari in the future. There's the real world for you.
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You have that bass-ackwards.

A team that wants to win, at all costs, would hire a cheater that knows how to keep his mouth shut, not one who speaks the truth, no matter what.
 
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