Lewis has obvious talent and will find a ride as long as that it true. So I'll just disagree with you and leave it at that.
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Brilliant. It's on youtube as well!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etWeu9_N9bg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiBvVCx-Yng
I love the internet.
Brilliant. It's on youtube as well!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etWeu9_N9bg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiBvVCx-Yng
I love the internet.
De La Rosa (sic) also turned "State's Evidence" against McLaren during "Stepneygate" and I believe he remains employed as McLaren's test driver.
Alonso blocked Hamilton in a qualifying session, so that's what ultimately lead to him leaving. That and him not being a guaranteed number 1.
Good. It's good for the sport to have different teams at the front for a while. And I personally think interpreting the rules and innovative solutions are what makes F1...
Found a few more choice words from Tozzi:
Guardian Link
How come he hasn't spoken up before, you know, when everything went Ferrari's way...
Guardian Link
How come he hasn't spoken up before, you know, when everything went Ferrari's way...
Yeah, just think of the cost of development those other teams would need to under take to match the performance of Ferrari. It would be against the revisions that the FIA is trying to push.
As much as I'm upset with McLaren right now, it's comments like this from Ferrari that make it so difficult for anybody to like them. Sure their drivers are good and nice guys, but their teams tries to pander ever situation to their advantage often through hypocritical means.
As much as I'm upset with McLaren right now, it's comments like this from Ferrari that make it so difficult for anybody to like them. Sure their drivers are good and nice guys, but their teams tries to pander ever situation to their advantage often through hypocritical means.
Found a few more choice words from Tozzi:
Guardian Link
How come he hasn't spoken up before, you know, when everything went Ferrari's way...
So the friendliness between teams lasted ... ooh ... a whole two races. Way to go F1!
As Brawn says, everyone spends money to copy each other. The only team complaining I feel sorry for in a way is Red Bull, but that's only because of the innovative design they had at the rear end that's gonna be totally removed to accommodate this. Nobody complained until Brawn GP started going like the clappers.
I can understand why the teams without the "trick" diffusers are upset because in addition to the extra money they will need to spend, with the new restrictions on wind-tunnel usage and track testing they will have to rely much more on their computer CFD models to try and develop their new diffuser because they won't be able to run the tunnel 24x7 to refine the design over a week or two and run the cars around their test tracks every day to see how it's coming along.
So it could be mid-season or even later before the teams have a diffuser as effective as the ones Brawn, Toyota and Williams have now. And yet those three teams will continue to advance their existing designs, likely maintaining their advantage.
So I think it quite possible, if not even probable, that those teams will remain some of the strongest performers all season.
So it could be mid-season or even later before the teams have a diffuser as effective as the ones Brawn, Toyota and Williams have now. And yet those three teams will continue to advance their existing designs, likely maintaining their advantage.
So I think it quite possible, if not even probable, that those teams will remain some of the strongest performers all season.
I don't get this.
I'm all for inventive interpretation of the rules, but Red Bull thought about using this design ages ago, but when the idea was put to the FIA to check its legality the reply was that double/triple decker diffusers were illegal.
I wish the FIA would have some consistency.
I'm all for inventive interpretation of the rules, but Red Bull thought about using this design ages ago, but when the idea was put to the FIA to check its legality the reply was that double/triple decker diffusers were illegal.
I wish the FIA would have some consistency.
I am guessing the rule changes for 2009 opened up a new avenue that the rules for 2008 and prior did not...
Either that or Red Bull's proposal was significantly different from what Brawn, Toyota and Williams are doing now and was found to be outside the rules where the other three have now been found to be within the rules.
That being said, I do agree with you the FIA is the dictionary definition of the word inconsistency.
This was for the 2009 rules.
Red Bull weren't alone. Renault also apparently applied to the FIA with the idea of a double decker diffuser and were told they weren't allowed. Perhaps the the other teams didn't care about checking the legality of the idea before they built them.
Or Red Bull and Renault phrased their question the wrong way or did not have the same solution as the other teams came up with? In fact this is more likely...
That is indeed what appears to have happenned. According to Autosport,
Autosport said:
While iGav and others
P - just kiddin') may claim this is another example of cheaty Toyota, Williams have also said the same thing.
re: Red Bull. Wouldn't you think they are smart enough to ask in such a way that the answer (if no) would be something like, "No that just won't do. X is 3mm out from the rules. However, if you were to make modifications it's possible a revised part would pass the regulations."
Instead, they were given an answers so definitive that it convinced them to stop work on a DDD altogether?
Instead, they were given an answers so definitive that it convinced them to stop work on a DDD altogether?
I wouldn't expect a regulatory body to suggest alternatives. That's not their mandate. I would expect the team to be smart enough to persist with proposing variants until the regulatory body gives its blessing. Maybe Ross Braun did just that! Maybe RB wasn't smart enough to come back with other possible approaches.re: Red Bull. Wouldn't you think they are smart enough to ask in such a way that the answer (if no) would be something like, "No that just won't do. X is 3mm out from the rules. However, if you were to make modifications it's possible a revised part would pass the regulations."
Instead, they were given an answers so definitive that it convinced them to stop work on a DDD altogether?
re: Red Bull. Wouldn't you think they are smart enough to ask in such a way that the answer (if no) would be something like, "No that just won't do. X is 3mm out from the rules. However, if you were to make modifications it's possible a revised part would pass the regulations."
Instead, they were given an answers so definitive that it convinced them to stop work on a DDD altogether?
I would expect the FIA's input would be limited to whether or not something violated the letter of the law and not offer suggestions. So they might have said "this piece extends beyond the reference frame 3mm", but not "this piece extends beyond the reference frame 3mm, so you might want to have the end flick up 1.3mm which would keep you in both the vertical and horizontal reference frames".
Without knowledge and schematics of their original ideas submitted to the FIA (and I am guessing our forum member who works for the team is not in a position to discuss them), it's difficult to say how their design differed from both the other diffusers now ruled legal and the FIA's Technical Regulations to the point they were considered illegal under those regulations.
They did modify the end-plates of the rear wing to hang significantly lower then anybody else, to the point they also appear to act to improve the effectiveness of their diffuser. Since no team, to my knowledge, has protested that design (if there are any grounds to protest it on) and the cars have passed technical reviews at Melbourne and Sepang, that appears to be legal, as well.
I'm not going to go any further into this, because I've stuck so far to saying things that are at least public knowledge.
Anyway, I'm just looking forward to Red Bull having a new diffuser on the car. Already one of the fastest cars on the grid with a single-decker, I can't wait to see what it's like with the extra downforce.
Anyway, I'm just looking forward to Red Bull having a new diffuser on the car. Already one of the fastest cars on the grid with a single-decker, I can't wait to see what it's like with the extra downforce.
