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2009 Formula One Thread

pachyderm said:
TRULLI @MONACO.... :eek: maybe?
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You'd have to fancy Red Bull at Monaco. They seem to perform better over one lap than the Brawns, and they should get their double diffuser by then. The caveat with that tho' is how much an advantage they'd get over other teams with it. I wonder if they'll gain as much because of a loss of their pull-rod suspension.
 
aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

tivo didn't record the race!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
just watched practice and qualifying ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wtf
 
MOFS said:
You'd have to fancy Red Bull at Monaco. They seem to perform better over one lap than the Brawns, and they should get their double diffuser by then. The caveat with that tho' is how much an advantage they'd get over other teams with it. I wonder if they'll gain as much because of a loss of their pull-rod suspension.
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fair enough. my boy jarno can block like the dickens though... ;)
 
It was a rather exciting race, but it certainly didn't finish up like I thought it would.

A little sad as I thought Toyota would get their first win.

Also, while I'm happy for Jenson I'm going to get bored if he has this thing locked up by the middle of the season. Here's hoping some of the other teams can step it up a few notches come Europe.
 
robbieduncan said:
That never really looked like happening once the qualifying weights were published: they were only 1-2 due to running less fuel...
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Ddin't the BBC graphics show that Trulli was still quickest when fuel adjusted. Certainly he or Vettel could both have won IMHO if they hadn't held each other up with their respective strategies, but kudos for Brawn for getting that right.

Re Button dominating, I don't think that'll happen. In fact, I can see Toyota, Red Bull and Mclaren winning more races as the season progresses. My early prediction: Button to scrape it with a couple more wins and some "steady eddies" throughout the rest. The Brawn's developlment won't be too great this season.
 
MOFS said:
The Brawn's developlment won't be too great this season.
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Why not?

In Barcelona they are bringing upgrades to the car which will make a huge difference. So far the engine has been cobbled into the back of an old Honda, now they have redesigned the engine / gearbox integration so they should be able to make the rear aero more efficient. They 'claim' to have around 0.6 second improvements per lap with these upgrades. Also Brawn can concentrate on developing other areas of the car whilst other teams mess around with the diffuser.
 
R.Youden said:
Why not?

In Barcelona they are bringing upgrades to the car which will make a huge difference. So far the engine has been cobbled into the back of an old Honda, now they have redesigned the engine / gearbox integration so they should be able to make the rear aero more efficient. They 'claim' to have around 0.6 second improvements per lap with these upgrades. Also Brawn can concentrate on developing other areas of the car whilst other teams mess around with the diffuser.
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My theory (my theory, that is my own) is based on a few bits and bobs. Brawn said they haven't been testing parts in the free practice sessions. I also think they will probably need to design the car to fir the Mercedes KERS in later this season (especially at Monza), so I'm just wary on how many improvements they'lll get above these. Mclaren seem to be nearly there with their diffuser, and Renault aren't far behind. I'm a massive fan of the team (have been since they were Honda, and even BAR with Jacques), but I'm just aware of the rate of development of the other teams. I hope I'm wrong.:)
 
MOFS said:
My theory (my theory, that is my own) is based on a few bits and bobs. Brawn said they haven't been testing parts in the free practice sessions. I also think they will probably need to design the car to fir the Mercedes KERS in later this season (especially at Monza), so I'm just wary on how many improvements they'lll get above these. Mclaren seem to be nearly there with their diffuser, and Renault aren't far behind. I'm a massive fan of the team (have been since they were Honda, and even BAR with Jacques), but I'm just aware of the rate of development of the other teams. I hope I'm wrong.:)
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This is how I see things. One of the main short comings of the old Honda was the aero. Now they may not have designed bad cars but when they came onto the track they where dogs. The problem was that they where great in their new wind tunnel (believe me that thing is amazing). This is the similar problem I guess McLaren are having this year. Now Honda spent a lot of time and money on getting their wind tunnel data to correlate with on track data and now we are seeing the results of their hard work.

Brawn should now have the confidence to run wind tunnel parts on their car without testing (remember no-one can test now). Also, as mentioned earlier, they are not running an ideal car with many aspects being compromised to fit the Merc engine. All Brawn need to do is 'tweek' their car.

Now most teams are working on their new diffuser and that is taking a lot of effort, time and money and no team will get an ideal solution. I doubt that Red Bull will run a new diffuser. They have no room for one! That rear is tighter than a ducks a**. Also a new diffuser is not like a new flick-up wing. They have a huge bearing on the rest of the car aero so no-one apart from the three 'diffuser teams' will really perfect it this season.
 
Generally I feel its too hard to guess this what will happen this season, I feel that Brawn won the last race more to do with tactics rather than the other teams lack of pace.
 
hey you guys that have to watch this on the bbc, dam, these guys are freaking annoying.

man i love the speed channel.

still haven't finished the race, im watching it right now
 
bartelby said:
In what way?
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he says he couldn't hear the radio transmission when it was completely clear and then when there is one that you can't hear he says something like "ya he is doing that and his dad is wearing his lucky pink and white outfit"

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what up with the tire guys putting there hand over the tire when they are done?
i have never noticed this before this season
 
benlangdon said:
he says he couldn't hear the radio transmission when it was completely clear and then when there is one that you can't hear he says something like "ya he is doing that and his dad is wearing his lucky pink and white outfit"

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what up with the tire guys putting there hand over the tire when they are done?
i have never noticed this before this season
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I think you mean at the end of the pit stop yes? Well if you look most of the tyre men have bright coloured patches on the back of the gloves. Now the lolly-pop man looks for these bright patches on the top of each tyre to say that it is ready to go. Those bright colours are far easier to see in his peripheral vision than anything else.

Some teams are now working on alternatives such as the Ferrari light pod whihc is an automatic electronic system.
 
R.Youden said:
I think you mean at the end of the pit stop yes? Well if you look most of the tyre men have bright coloured patches on the back of the gloves. Now the lolly-pop man looks for these bright patches on the top of each tyre to say that it is ready to go. Those bright colours are far easier to see in his peripheral vision than anything else.

Some teams are now working on alternatives such as the Ferrari light pod whihc is an automatic electronic system.
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ya i know about the light pod and when masa messed up that tire hose :p

just seems strange that this is new, i mean its a good idea.
 
I gotta say, my favorite part of the race was when Rubens was trying to pass Piquet. His hand gesture was like he wanted to bitch slap Piquet and the darned KERS car. I must say, Hamilton sure put up a good fight as well.

I just wish the "lie-gate" was over. They already took his points for that race. IMO should be enough of a penalty. The FIA takes the politics too far.

I race RC cars (8th buggy, 10th electric on-road), while of course not as monetarily involved, there are political squabbles as well between teams and ROAR rulings, but it sure is nice to have any bigger squabbles settled with points or standings taken away. Just get on with it and race.

Hamilton is young, most likely will learn from this mistake. He is usually one of the more polite and proper racers out there. Shumacher did much worse LOL
 
Superman07 said:
So McLaren is basically on watch is how I take this.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74937

I find it odd that "moves" such as Dennis stepping away from the team seem to "fix" this transgression. Tells me it's likely more about the politics and personalities than the rules and actions of drivers.
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I think its always been about politics, the whole system is bad, not just Mclaren but the whole setup. The people who run the show and make money are too close to those who enforce the rules and the manufactures. I sometimes feel there is lack of independence that I feel you get with some other sports .

SpookTheHamster said:
Most of me is glad it's over, but a little bit of me feels like they got off easy.
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I don't think its over yet, although I hope so.
 
they got a slap on the wrist, as with the spygate before.

it's fine. now we can move on to enjoy a great season.

besides any harsh punishment would have caused sponsors to walk, and the entire movement would have suffered. And mclaren's (and lewis') commercial and political clout is pretty considerable so that protected them well.

and at least they maintained the principle that you can't lie to the stewards.
 
RaceTripper said:
How is a $100M fine for spygate a slap on the wrist? :confused:
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At the end it was much less than that, as they subtracted from that the tens of millions they 'earned' with the constructors points (which were in principle reduced to zero, except when calculating the revenues, -yeah, I know-).
In any case the fine was large but it didn't affect the team in any significant way, as illustrated by the fact that Lewis went straight on to win the championship.
 
Don't panic said:
At the end it was much less than that, as they subtracted from that the tens of millions they 'earned' with the constructors points (which were in principle reduced to zero, except when calculating the revenues, -yeah, I know-).
In any case the fine was large but it didn't affect the team in any significant way, as illustrated by the fact that Lewis went straight on to win the championship.
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I still wouldn't call it a slap on the wrist. If I get caught speeding and pay a $1000 fine, it isn't going to impact my household in "any significant way," but I'm not going to come away thinking it was a slap on the wrist. Spin it any way you want, McLaren still paid a significant penalty for spygate. The fact they recovered well and went on the win the driver's championship is irrelevant.
 
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