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2009 Formula One Thread
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You know... after reading that article one could be forgiven for thinking that Button is a man of integrity.
Button said:
Probably best not to remind him of 2005 (and probably most of 2004) then.
Actually some really quite astonishing comments in that there article when one considers that it's only a couple of races ago that he spat his dummy out after been spanked by his teammate over several races after Rubens stopped setting up his car for him.
But maybe he should concern himself less with how others won their World Championships, and worry more about just actually winning his own.
Button said:
They do Jense... they do... and in your case, in perhaps the most unconvincing fashion ever.
You mean drivers like Alonso, Hamilton... oh wait.
You mean drivers like Alonso, Hamilton... oh wait.
Well the too did kind-of have a double meaning
I may think that Schui was a low-down cheating so and so, but it could also be that I meant that some of the current drivers recognise one of their own in Schui and how he went about things...
You can't cheat your way to seven World Championships.
And even in 1994, folks need to remember that Michael was disqualified from the British, Italian and Portuguese Grands Prix for having the cheek to pass Damon on the parade lap at Silverstone and also disqualified from the Belgian Grand Prix for cheese-gratering his Legality Plank. So he lost 16 points from his British and Belgian DQs plus upwards of another 20 by missing Italy and Portugal. So it's pretty clear he'd have won the WC well before Adelaide so even if his actions at that race were suspect, he earned his first title IMO.
As for Jerez 1997 and Monaco 2006, there are no excuses there and his exclusion from the Championship in 1997 should have been reflected in his exclusion from the Grand Prix in 2006.
So with second practice mostly rained out, if it does end up being dry for qualifying tomorrow it will be interesting to see how things shake out, especially if it is wet for Third Practice, since nine drivers have no experience at Suzuka (at least in an F1 car).
And even in 1994, folks need to remember that Michael was disqualified from the British, Italian and Portuguese Grands Prix for having the cheek to pass Damon on the parade lap at Silverstone and also disqualified from the Belgian Grand Prix for cheese-gratering his Legality Plank. So he lost 16 points from his British and Belgian DQs plus upwards of another 20 by missing Italy and Portugal. So it's pretty clear he'd have won the WC well before Adelaide so even if his actions at that race were suspect, he earned his first title IMO.
As for Jerez 1997 and Monaco 2006, there are no excuses there and his exclusion from the Championship in 1997 should have been reflected in his exclusion from the Grand Prix in 2006.
So with second practice mostly rained out, if it does end up being dry for qualifying tomorrow it will be interesting to see how things shake out, especially if it is wet for Third Practice, since nine drivers have no experience at Suzuka (at least in an F1 car).
the irony is that he will win it mainly because of some highly controversial "rule bending" that was allowed only because of political convenience on Max's side.
I'm not one who has much time for people who think that Schumacher cheated to all his world championships and victories.
Interesting though about 1994. Of all seven of his world championships, if any are to be tainted then that would be the only one that I would question today and really only because of the whole Flavio Briatore involvement and what has recently come to light about the character of the man.
You can if you drive for Ferrari. The FIA (Ferrari Intervention Agency) is there to help. After all, their motto is: Ferrari In front Always.
You can if you drive for Ferrari. The FIA (Ferrari Intervention Agency) is there to help. After all, their motto is: Ferrari In front Always.
hey those are hilarious!!! and so new!!!
it's funny you'd mentioned this when the last two major cheating scandals (and the two largest ever by a fair measure) involving clearly cheating teams both happened to mostly penalize your least favourite team, and both where dealt with without any significant penalty by the FIA.
some help.
You can if you drive for Ferrari. The FIA (Ferrari Intervention Agency) is there to help. After all, their motto is: Ferrari In front Always.
Darn shame that motto didn't come into effect until the 2000's, as I am sure Mansell, Alesi, Berger and Irvine would all have appreciated that support.
ya i was going to say something but was thinking it wasn't even worth it because this stuff is way old.
hey does no one hate alonso?
i mean he had to have been part of that crash.
i would think his rep would go way down.
am i missing something
nothing against fred.
way of the world. more teams do that than we'll ever know. not just F1 either...
way of the world. more teams do that than we'll ever know. not just F1 either...
Nooo, I'm sure it's just coincidence he's been involved in 2 of the 3 big scandals recently
hey those are hilarious!!! and so new!!!
it's funny you'd mentioned this when the last two major cheating scandals (and the two largest ever by a fair measure) involving clearly cheating teams both happened to mostly penalize your least favourite team, and both where dealt with without any significant penalty by the FIA.
some help.
What Renault cheating and McLaren getting a $100M fine?
What happened to Ferrari in either of those?
Talking of cheating a number of drivers have been penalised 5 places on the grid for not slowing under the yellows in quali. Naughty.
OI! I'm watching the repeat at the moment!!
Which is exactly why I didn't tell you which cars.
But I know something happens now!
I could avoid reading the thread I suppose...
I'm watching the repeat too. But I read all the news etc in advance. I was surprised no-one had posted the order (or at least top few) in this thread.
But I know something happens now!
I could avoid reading the thread I suppose...
You've now got the added fun of trying to guess the guilty parties.
You've now got the added fun of trying to guess the guilty parties.
Ferrari trying to cheat again?
Ferrari trying to cheat again?
Ferrari was one of the few teams that hasn't been penalized for one reason or the other based on the latest order:
1 Vettel
2 Trulli
3 Hamilton
4 Heidfeld
5 Raikkonen
6 Barrichello
7 Sutil
8 Rosberg
9 Button
10 Kubica
11 Kovalainen
12 Buemi
13 Alguersuari
14 Fisichella
15 Nakajima
16 Alonso
17 Grosjean
18 Liuzzi
Pit lane: Webber
Alonso, Barrichello, Button, Sutil and Buemi were all penalized for either passing under the yellow or balking another driver. There are also gearbox penalties for Tonio Liuzzi and Heikki Kovalainen, and a chassis change for Mark Webber.
Strongest rumor so far is that Santander pays for ending Kimi's contract, which is kind of ironical if it so happens that Kimi goes to McLaren "for free" and fights against the Santander drivers...
Strongest rumor so far is that Santander pays for ending Kimi's contract, which is kind of ironical if it so happens that Kimi goes to McLaren "for free" and fights against the Santander drivers...
Santanda is continuing it's McClaren sponsorship for 2010, so there wouldn't be a conflict of interest on their side.
It arguably happened to have cost them the World Drivers Championship in both instances perhaps?
It arguably happened to have cost them the World Drivers Championship in both instances perhaps?
Meh, who cares...