2010-2011 College Football Thread

[echeck]

Florida has lost to three teams in the top 20, Boise State hasn't played 3 Top 20 teams in the last 2 years..

Okay, first you're living in a fantasy world if you honestly think Florida could beat Boise State, let alone "kick their *****." I have actual statistics to back up my claim. What do you have?

And second, before you start spouting nonsense, how about you do a little research...

2009

#14 Boise State 19 - #16 Oregon 8
#6 Boise State 17 - #4 TCU 10

2010

#3 Boise State 33 - #10 Virginia Tech 30

I just did a little research of my own, and Florida has only played five teams in the last two years in the top 20 at the time of the game, and Boise State has played three. Our number will highly likely be four in two weeks.

We're 3-0 in our top 20 matchups. Florida is 2-3. Hmmm...

So again, how is it that Florida is so much better than Boise State?

Boise St. is a legit team but they are too over hyped. They would lose to all the teams ahead of them.

So, short of having a time machine, how do you know this? You state that so matter-of-factly that you must have some inside knowledge that proves to you that Boise State would most definitely lose.

And how can a team be "over-hyped" when they have the longest winning streak in the nation, and ranked #4? You don't think they deserve their #4 ranking?

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This whole Cam Newton thing is just insane! All speculation of course, but it's either true or a VERY organized attack campaign.

Later in the interview, Rogers said he and Cecil Newton first talked after Cam Newton left the Florida Gators following the 2008 season. In the course of their conversations, he said Cecil Newton told him, "It's not gonna be free this time."

Rogers said he was involved with Cecil Newton only in regards to Mississippi State.

Rogers said that on Nov. 28, 2009, he and Cecil Newton followed each other out of Starkville, Miss., after the Ole Miss-Mississippi State game. He said Newton asked him: "What do you think is going to happen? You think it's going to go through?"

Rogers said he was referred to a Mississippi State booster named Bill Bell. Rogers said he left Bell a message telling him he was with Cecil Newton, who wanted to know if the deal was going to happen.

Bell, when contacted Thursday night by ESPN.com, confirmed Cecil Newton did ask for money in exchange for Cam Newton signing with Mississippi State. Bell said he was contacted by the NCAA about the matter and spoke to an investigator earlier this week.

"That's all I want to say about it at this point," Bell said.

Bell, a Florida resident, was an offensive lineman at Mississippi State in the early 1980s and played with Rogers.

I believe the dad was in charge the entire time, and Cam just went along with it. Cam has said all along that it was his father's decision to go to Auburn.

 

[IgnatiusTheKing]

Let's compare infractions and discipline

I want to play!

 

[dmr727]

^^^ Not bad for ten years! Besides, it's Austin. Possession? Whatever.

 

[rhett7660]

^^ Yeah seriously over ten years I don't think there would be to many teams that wouldn't look like that.

 

[IgnatiusTheKing]

Really? Sixteen different players arrested (we're not talking MIPs or PIs here) in 10 years is normal? Many of those guys (Sergio Kindle, Romance, and C-Bong come to mind immediately) had multiple arrests. Hell, Sergio crashed his car into a building a fled the scene a couple of years ago.

 

[benhollberg]

#3 Boise State 33 - #10 Virginia Tech 30

You mean that Virginia Tech team that lost to James Madison the next week?

 

[dmr727]

Really? Sixteen different players arrested (we're not talking MIPs or PIs here) in 10 years is normal?

I don't have the data to know if it's normal, but it doesn't surprise me. Doing a quick Google search, here's an old article about Texas' woes:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/100507dnspoutarrests.3829d60.html

And an interesting quote from it:

A Morning News search of court records and media accounts found that between 2003 and 2005, Texas A&M had 13 football players and a recruit arrested.

That's not a stone thrown at A&M mind you - I'm just trying to illustrate that this is likely a problem at any big time program. I guess it's sad that fans tend to shrug their shoulders over this, though.

 

[IgnatiusTheKing]

That's not a stone thrown at A&M mind you - I'm just trying to illustrate that this is likely a problem at any big time program. I guess it's sad that fans tend to shrug their shoulders over this, though.

The Fran years were pretty lawless. We had one player get arrested for jerking off in a Whataburger parking lot and two others arrested for armed robbery (of a drug dealer!). I don't care about minor things that all college kids do like public intoxication, minor in possession, bar fights, etc. But some of this other stuff is out of control and embarrassing to the university and its alumni.

 

[dmr727]

But some of this other stuff is out of control and embarrassing to the university and its alumni.

I agree.

But then again, four wins is pretty ***** embarrassing too! Sigh...

 

[IgnatiusTheKing]

But then again, four wins is pretty ***** embarrassing too! Sigh...

Haha. There's still a chance to win a couple more and make it to the Pinstripe Bowl (and plenty of chances for A&M to lose a couple more and end up in the Houston Bowl)!

 

[steve2112]

You mean that Virginia Tech team that lost to James Madison the next week?

That would be the same Virginia Tech that has since gone undefeated, has basically wrapped up their division, and will most likely be playing in the ACC Championship game. Yeah, I realize it's the ACC, but that is still a pretty good feat.

Anyway, as to the player arrests/bad behavior: I think the rate of athletes getting in trouble is probably about the same as other college students. It's just that normal students don't make the news when they get in trouble.

 

[IgnatiusTheKing]

That would be the same Virginia Tech that has since gone undefeated, has basically wrapped up their division, and will most likely be playing in the ACC Championship game. Yeah, I realize it's the ACC, but that is still a pretty good feat.

I bolded the key statement in your post.

Any team that loses to a I-AA/FCS school sucks. Period. The fact that VaTech is in position to win their division speaks far more to the terrible...ness of the ACC than it does to the strength of the Hokies.

There should at least be a rule that you have to have 9+ wins and NO LOSSES to non-FBS opponents in order to qualify for an automatic berth in the BCS. Either that, or the Big East and ACC should have their BCS AQ statuses (stati?) revoked.

 

[benhollberg]

Yeah, I realize it's the ACC, but that is still a pretty good feat.

The ACC with one ranked team, barely.

 

[echeck]

I bolded the key statement in your post.

Any team that loses to a I-AA/FCS school sucks. Period. The fact that VaTech is in position to win their division speaks far more to the terrible...ness of the ACC than it does to the strength of the Hokies.

There should at least be a rule that you have to have 9+ wins and NO LOSSES to non-FBS opponents in order to qualify for an automatic berth in the BCS. Either that, or the Big East and ACC should have their BCS AQ statuses (stati?) revoked.

Okay, I truly do respect your opinion, but... YOU'RE CRAZY!!

 

[steve2112]

I bolded the key statement in your post.

Any team that loses to a I-AA/FCS school sucks. Period. The fact that VaTech is in position to win their division speaks far more to the terrible...ness of the ACC than it does to the strength of the Hokies.

There should at least be a rule that you have to have 9+ wins and NO LOSSES to non-FBS opponents in order to qualify for an automatic berth in the BCS. Either that, or the Big East and ACC should have their BCS AQ statuses (stati?) revoked.

You would prefer say, a WAC team get that auto bid? Maybe C-USA? I mean, most of the WAC teams aren't much above FCS schools. I think two of their members have losses to FCS schools this season.

For the record, I agree. I think it's sad that the Big Least champ is going to have at least 3 and probably 4 losses going into their BCS bowl. The ACC champ won't be much better. I think unless the Big East expands, they will lose their bid to the Mountain West. Right now, the Mountain West has almost as many ranked teams (3) as the mighty Big 12 (5) with fewer members overall. I do think the MW will get an auto big, but I believe they will eliminate one of the at-large bids rather than take one away from a conference. The politics are too thick for that to happen.

Edit: For the record, WHY is ESPN showing this Boise State scrimmage? This should have a NC-17 rating for the violence being inflicted on Idaho.

 

[benhollberg]

The MWC won't be much after this season. There two biggest schools left, Utah and BYU. Who knows if TCU will get an invite to a bigger conference. At least they have Boise St. coming next year, Nevada and Fresno St. in 2012.

 

[steve2112]

Ah, I was thinking all three teams were going to be coming in 2011. But maybe I should have put the asterisk up. Assuming TCU stays in, they will still have two teams that have been to multiple BCS bowls (assuming TCU wins out and goes). They have more ranked teams than two other BCS conferences (Big Least and ACC). If the MWC can hold on to TCU, I think it will still be a stronger conference than the Big East and ACC even after losing Utah and BYU.

 

[benhollberg]

I agree with you that the MWC will probably be stronger than the ACC and Big East. With the Big 12 going to only have 10 teams you would think they would invite someone and TCU would be the best option. I would love to see the MWC get and automatic bid though.

 

[echeck]

What with the recent turnaround with the "We're not commenting" statement from Auburn's AD, does anyone think Cam Newton will be on the bench against Georgia?

 

[IgnatiusTheKing]

You would prefer say, a WAC team get that auto bid? Maybe C-USA? I mean, most of the WAC teams aren't much above FCS schools. I think two of their members have losses to FCS schools this season.

No. If my system were implemented, any league whose champion did not qualify for an automatic bid would have their spot become an at-large. For instance, if Pitt wins the Big East at 8-4 or 7-5 (it could happen), then their spot in the Fiesta Bowl would go to the best available team. It could be a small conference team or it could be a another BCS team. Ditto with Virginia Tech and the Orange Bowl. If they were to win the ACC, they would not qualify for an auto-bid due to the loss to JMU. They could still go to another bowl, but they shouldn't be allowed to be part of the BCS since they lost to a team that doesn't even qualify for bowls (no matter what JMU did, they could never even play in the worst bowl game, and certainly never qualify for a BCS bowl). My system would discourage FBS teams from scheduling glorified scrimmages against FCS teams, something that should never happen anyway.

I think unless the Big East expands, they will lose their bid to the Mountain West. Right now, the Mountain West has almost as many ranked teams (3) as the mighty Big 12 (5) with fewer members overall. I do think the MW will get an auto big, but I believe they will eliminate one of the at-large bids rather than take one away from a conference. The politics are too thick for that to happen.

I don't think so. Two of the best/most visible MWC teams are leaving the conference after this year, and TCU could be right behind them. I agree that a MWC with TCU, Utah, BYU, Boise, Air Force, etc. would be a quality league, but we will never see that league since BYU is going indy and Utah is headed to the Pac-12 in a few months. Even when Fresno and Nevada come over—and even if TCU stays—there just isn't enough quality there to justify an auto-bid. The league will be way too top-heavy.

With the Big 12 going to only have 10 teams you would think they would invite someone and TCU would be the best option.

Eh, I don't think the Big 12 will be around long enough to re-expand back to 12 teams. The money that kept the league together will never materialize. Texas is going to go independent just as soon as their TV network (backed by ESPN) is up and running. A&M and (probably) OU will go to the SEC, and the rest of the league will scatter. I think TCU will probably go to the Big East (maybe just in football) in a few weeks.

 

[MacDawg]

What with the recent turnaround with the "We're not commenting" statement from Auburn's AD, does anyone think Cam Newton will be on the bench against Georgia?

Link to ESPN story

Link to Fox Sports

Excerpt from the Fox article

Oh, how things have changed on the Cam Newton front -- and quickly, for that matter.

Wednesday, Auburn coach Gene Chizik said there was no question Newton would play Saturday against Georgia.

"I want to get this off the table up front: Cameron Newton will be playing Saturday against the Georgia Bulldogs," Chizik said.

Less than 48 hours later, and amidst a number of new and near-breathless reports, most notably a damning radio interview with Kenny Rogers on Thursday night, the school is suddenly taking a different tact.

No comment.

And when we hear that, it's a good bet that more trouble is still to come.

School officials, particularly athletic director Jay Jacobs, are now uttering those two infamous words for all things Newton. It's gotten to the point that now, all of a sudden, Newton's status for Saturday's game may not be as rock-solid as first appeared.

And, if you believe Twitter, which is up in arms by fans on both sides of the Newton situation, he may actually be held out Saturday until his eligibility that has been brought into question is once and for all firmly established ... or refuted.

I would say it is very possible
The whole rhetoric out of the family, the coach and Auburn has changed
There are new stories coming from everywhere
WSB Atlanta report

A source close to the situation exclusively told Channel 2 Action News investigative reporter Mark Winne that the player's father, Cecil Newton, has admitted having conversations with an ex-Mississippi State University player about the possibility of under-the-table money if Cam Newton signed to play football at Mississippi State, though he's steadfastly maintained that no money ever changed hands and said no official at Mississippi State ever made such an offer.

According to Winne’s source, Cecil Newton said his son’s hands are clean, and has made it clear that Cam Newton himself and his mother knew nothing about the money discussions, nor did Auburn University, with whom the Westlake High School grad from College Park eventually signed with out of junior college.

Interesting article on the eligibility issue from CBS Sports

 

[MacDawg]

On a different topic... Terrelle Pryor: I'll return as senior

Does anybody really care? Honestly?

 

[steve2112]

No. If my system were implemented, any league whose champion did not qualify for an automatic bid would have their spot become an at-large. For instance, if Pitt wins the Big East at 8-4 or 7-5 (it could happen), then their spot in the Fiesta Bowl would go to the best available team. It could be a small conference team or it could be a another BCS team. Ditto with Virginia Tech and the Orange Bowl. If they were to win the ACC, they would not qualify for an auto-bid due to the loss to JMU. They could still go to another bowl, but they shouldn't be allowed to be part of the BCS since they lost to a team that doesn't even qualify for bowls (no matter what JMU did, they could never even play in the worst bowl game, and certainly never qualify for a BCS bowl). My system would discourage FBS teams from scheduling glorified scrimmages against FCS teams, something that should never happen anyway.



I don't think so. Two of the best/most visible MWC teams are leaving the conference after this year, and TCU could be right behind them. I agree that a MWC with TCU, Utah, BYU, Boise, Air Force, etc. would be a quality league, but we will never see that league since BYU is going indy and Utah is headed to the Pac-12 in a few months. Even when Fresno and Nevada come over—and even if TCU stays—there just isn't enough quality there to justify an auto-bid. The league will be way too top-heavy.

As long as teams are punished for losing a game, you are going to see those FCS teams scheduled. The big team gets another home game to bring in money, the fans (supposedly) get a win, and everybody is happy. Otherwise, you wind up with the situation MState was in the past few years. We played the likes of West Virginia (Big East champs one of the years we played 'em), Georgia Tech (ACC champs one year we played them), and we got our rear ends handed to us. Last year, for example, if we play someone like Memphis instead of Georgia Tech, we probably go 6-6 instead of 5-7 and go to a bowl game. Would I have traded that GT game for a cheap and easy win over a creampuff? In a heartbeat. And it's the same at every big time program and every marginal program in a BCS conference.

With the BCS stuff: who gets those bids? Just go down the rankings? The SEC has seven teams in the top 25 BCS rankings. Talk about griping when one conference gets 3 or 4 teams in BCS bowls. My statements about the MWC and the BCS are all hinged on TCU staying. With TCU, Boise, and Nevada this year, for example, the conference would have three ranked teams and two teams with multiple BCS appearances. Without TCU, it's the WAC all over again. Of course, the WAC will be falling about to the level of the Sun Belt.

 

[IgnatiusTheKing]

As long as teams are punished for losing a game, you are going to see those FCS teams scheduled.

Which is exactly why they should be punished for losing to a team that doesn't qualify. In college basketball, if you play a Div II team it doesn't help your RPI. It doesn't even count as a win on your schedule. The fact that football counts games against FCS teams is a travesty. Might as well start scheduling high school teams.

With the BCS stuff: who gets those bids? Just go down the rankings?

Whomever is the most deserving. I wouldn't care if the SEC got three or four teams in BCS bowls if it was obvious that they were the best available. To use the basketball analogy again, the ACC, Big East and Big 12 regularly have six or seven teams in the NCAA Tournament because they typically have a lot of quality teams. Why should football be different?

 

[dmr727]

It's looking like Utah has a bit of a hangover after getting smacked around by TCU.

And 83 points by Wisconsin? Holy crap.