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2010-2011 College Football Thread

Maybe I'm just not being fair to Cam Newton, but the more I hear about this story the more I lean towards believing it.

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fair or not, the ncaa has already set a precedent. his father already acknowledged that he solicited money and that in and of itself is a violation. whether cam knew or not is irrelevant if you compare this to the reggie bush situation.
 
I believe the NCAA will drag their feet as always, but that Newton will eventually be declared ineligible. However, for now, he has not been declared ineligible, and Auburn has every right to continue playing him.

Auburn is counting on the fact that even if the wins are vacated and everything is taken away, it is like retracting a front page headline with a back page one line apology. After all... the violation is technically with Newton's Dad, not with Newton or with Auburn. The request for money was made to Mississippi State, not Auburn. Newton will be declared ineligible, not Auburn. They will claim they are innocent in the deal, and probably get away with it. Somehow I have a hard time believing that one of the dirtiest programs in NCAA history is somehow pure as the driven snow in this.

If Alabama or South Carolina beats Auburn and knocks them out of the BCS, and if Newton does not win the Heisman, this will eventually work itself out. If Auburn wins the BCS and Newton wins the Heisman and both have to be vacated, the scandal should rock the college football world and rightly so. Hopefully it will lead to some productive changes that will benefit everyone.
 
MacDawg said:
I believe the NCAA will drag their feet as always, but that Newton will eventually be declared ineligible. However, for now, he has not been declared ineligible, and Auburn has every right to continue playing him.

Auburn is counting on the fact that even if the wins are vacated and everything is taken away, it is like retracting a front page headline with a back page one line apology. After all... the violation is technically with Newton's Dad, not with Newton or with Auburn. The request for money was made to Mississippi State, not Auburn. Newton will be declared ineligible, not Auburn. They will claim they are innocent in the deal, and probably get away with it. Somehow I have a hard time believing that one of the dirtiest programs in NCAA history is somehow pure as the driven snow in this.

If Alabama or South Carolina beats Auburn and knocks them out of the BCS, and if Newton does not win the Heisman, this will eventually work itself out. If Auburn wins the BCS and Newton wins the Heisman and both have to be vacated, the scandal should rock the college football world and rightly so. Hopefully it will lead to some productive changes that will benefit everyone.
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They will drag their feet and because NCAA is one of the big school the worse they will get is a minor slap on the wrist and no real punishment.
Proof of that is UCA was one of the schools that deserved the death penalty and they got a pretty minor slap on the write over all.
NCAA will give out a death penalty and harsh punishment to school that really do not bring in much money but will not touch the big guys with anything more than a slap on the wrist worse case.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
They will drag their feet and because NCAA is one of the big school the worse they will get is a minor slap on the wrist and no real punishment.
Proof of that is UCA was one of the schools that deserved the death penalty and they got a pretty minor slap on the write over all.
NCAA will give out a death penalty and harsh punishment to school that really do not bring in much money but will not touch the big guys with anything more than a slap on the wrist worse case.
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The NCAA will never give out the death penalty again. USC was hit much harder than any rational person ever expected them to be. Losing 30 scholarships is not a slap on the wrist.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
The NCAA will never give out the death penalty again. USC was hit much harder than any rational person ever expected them to be. Losing 30 scholarships is not a slap on the wrist.
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they should use it again. It is a non threat right now.
Yes it hurts the entire conference but at the same time it means that everyone has some real interested in trying to keep each other clean. and it pretty much kills a program for 15-20 years but in doing so it means the punishment is harsh and no one would want to risk getting nailed by it. It would clean up things a lot more.

USC deserved the DP and in my mind should of gotten it. If they gotten the DP you can sure bet that other programs would quickly dump problems and make sure they were not breaking the rules.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
they should use it again. It is a non threat right now.
Yes it hurts the entire conference but at the same time it means that everyone has some real interested in trying to keep each other clean. and it pretty much kills a program for 15-20 years but in doing so it means the punishment is harsh and no one would want to risk getting nailed by it. It would clean up things a lot more.

USC deserved the DP and in my mind should of gotten it. If they gotten the DP you can sure bet that other programs would quickly dump problems and make sure they were not breaking the rules.
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There is no threat of the Death Penalty because it's been taken off the table for major conference football and basketball. It will never happen again because, while SMU deserved harsh punishment, the DP killed their program not just for 1987 but for the following 23 years, as well. They still haven't recovered from it. The NCAA is run by university presidents and athletic directors. If they try to levy the Death Penalty again they might see a revolt that could kill the organization altogether.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
There is no threat of the Death Penalty because it's been taken off the table for major conference football and basketball. It will never happen again because, while SMU deserved harsh punishment, the DP killed their program not just for 1987 but for the following 23 years, as well. They still haven't recovered from it.
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fine by me in my book. SMU was a pretty corrupt program at the time. 23+ year recovering makes damn sure you are not willing to risk it.
The fact that they are not willing to hand ti out the the major ones should they only care about money and not really about enforcing the rules.

DP is meant to kill a program for a long time. Makes damn sure they are never willing to risk it again. When schools will break rules for 10+ years why should the punishment not effect them for an even longer period of time.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
fine by me in my book. SMU was a pretty corrupt program at the time. 23+ year recovering makes damn sure you are not willing to risk it.
The fact that they are not willing to hand ti out the the major ones should they only care about money and not really about enforcing the rules.

DP is meant to kill a program for a long time. Makes damn sure they are never willing to risk it again. When schools will break rules for 10+ years why should the punishment not effect them for an even longer period of time.
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You're missing the point. None of the people that run things are willing to kill a program for a quarter-century. It's just not ever going to happen again.

The NCAA is in dangerous territory when it comes to punishments because they don't have any real power. Schools can ignore them if they want to, or leave at any time, if they so choose. If the NCAA goes overboard (in the eyes of school presidents and ADs), you could see the whole thing just dissolve. It would only take three or four power programs to destroy the NCAA as we know it.
 
A poster compiled all he could regarding the CamGate situation while he was at the hospital with his father undergoing surgery. (His father asked him to simply the situation for him so he could understand. A long read but there are certainly some "interesting" relationships which all connect to Auburn and this fiasco. In the bigger picture Cam is miniscule, yet not irrelevant.

"As the Plains Burn......(Updated 11-17)"
 
ZGXtreme said:
A poster compiled all he could regarding the CamGate situation while he was at the hospital with his father undergoing surgery. (His father asked him to simply the situation for him so he could understand. A long read but there are certainly some "interesting" relationships which all connect to Auburn and this fiasco. In the bigger picture Cam is miniscule, yet not irrelevant.

"As the Plains Burn......(Updated 11-17)"
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Wow...reading through all of that, if true, makes it sound like Auburn and Auburn's athletic program could be in for a world of hurt. Damn.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
You're missing the point. None of the people that run things are willing to kill a program for a quarter-century. It's just not ever going to happen again.

The NCAA is in dangerous territory when it comes to punishments because they don't have any real power. Schools can ignore them if they want to, or leave at any time, if they so choose. If the NCAA goes overboard (in the eyes of school presidents and ADs), you could see the whole thing just dissolve. It would only take three or four power programs to destroy the NCAA as we know it.
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We couldn't get lucky enough for the NCAA to dissolve. 🙂

I agree with you, though. The business has gotten big enough, and there are way too many interested parties to allow the death penalty to be dished out again. With all the money generated by the game today, it simply won't be used again. If the NCAA were considering the death penalty on a school, especially a major school, they would be getting all kinds of pressure from conferences, TV networks, etc, not to do it. You may see harsher penalties like USC got, especially in the case of the dreaded "lack of institutional control", but you won't see the death penalty.

ZGXtreme said:
A poster compiled all he could regarding the CamGate situation while he was at the hospital with his father undergoing surgery. (His father asked him to simply the situation for him so he could understand. A long read but there are certainly some "interesting" relationships which all connect to Auburn and this fiasco. In the bigger picture Cam is miniscule, yet not irrelevant.

"As the Plains Burn......(Updated 11-17)"
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Man, that thing is spreading like wildfire. I have gotten it in email from two people, and seen it on multiple message boards. That board in general has been all over this story from the start.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
They will drag their feet and because NCAA is one of the big school the worse they will get is a minor slap on the wrist and no real punishment.
Proof of that is UCA was one of the schools that deserved the death penalty and they got a pretty minor slap on the write over all.
NCAA will give out a death penalty and harsh punishment to school that really do not bring in much money but will not touch the big guys with anything more than a slap on the wrist worse case.
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USC deserved the death penalty? LOL. For what?
 
Rodimus Prime said:
even with HW leaving in 2012. WAC is gaining 2 new schools that year UTSA and Texas State are both going WAC conference so 2 loss 2 gain.
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i'm referring to the quality of the conference. not that hawaii is a powerhouse, but there are officially zero teams left with any trace of respect.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
More air being let out of Boise's move to the Mountain West next season. Hawaii to the MWC in 2012?
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I'm not asking this to be critical in any way, I'm simply curious why you feel this hurts Boise State?

I'm honestly okay with it. Hawaii will be a strong middle player in the new MWC, along with teams like Air Force and (seemingly) San Diego State.

Based on this year I'd see the MWC shaping up like this:

1. Boise State
2. TCU
3. Nevada
4. Air Force*
5. San Diego State*
6. Hawaii*
7. Fresno State*
8. Colorado State
9. UNLV
10. Wyoming
11. New Mexico

*=interchangeable

There's some baggage at the bottom of the league, but overall I'd say that's a pretty decent conference. Will be by FAR the best non-AQ league.

So the interesting thing here is that there's 11 teams. Will the MWC look to add one more for the 2012 season and introduce a conference championship game?
 
I don't think UH jumping to the MWC hurts Boise. What will kill Boise is if TCU ends up jumping to an auto-qualifying conference. Without TCU and Utah in the conference with Boise, there is no way the MWC will get an automatic BCS bid. I think the MWC is planning on 12 teams and a championship game, but that will all be gone if TCU jumps ship.
 
evilgEEk said:
I'm not asking this to be critical in any way, I'm simply curious why you feel this hurts Boise State?
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Because it means two things:

  1. Boise isn't really leaving the WAC at all (this has become more like a semi-merging of the two conferences)
  2. I think this is a sign that TCU is on the verge of leaving

An 11-team league doesn't make sense. Like you said, they would need to get to 12 to have a championship game, but who would they add? UTEP? Houston? Maybe, but in reality this looks a lot more like a desperation move in advance of losing TCU to the Big East.
 
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