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2010-2011 College Football Thread

Tomorrow said:
The Big 12 actually has a marketing firm looking into a new name for the conference. I hope it's not the same bozos that came up with "leaders" and "legends."
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Well, I'm in favor of Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and seven whipping boys, but I guess that is too long.

IgnatiusTheKing said:
Echo 😉


I was on the road most of yesterday and trying to play catch-up. Guess I missed that one. 🙂








Love it, but I'm not sure poisonous nuts qualify as "critters" these days.
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steve2112 said:
Well, I'm in favor of Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and seven whipping boys, but I guess that is too long.
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Sorry but A&M has a long way to go before it can not be counted as a wiping boy. After so many seasons of being beaten in a role it needs multiple good seasons to loose that title.
Sorry but TTU has been better the A&M over the past 10 years along with OSU. Baylor is the only school in the south that it has been able to compete with and beat on a consentant bases.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
Sorry but A&M has a long way to go before it can not be counted as a wiping boy. After so many seasons of being beaten in a role it needs multiple good seasons to loose that title.
Sorry but TTU has been better the A&M over the past 10 years along with OSU. Baylor is the only school in the south that it has been able to compete with and beat on a consentant bases.
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Yeah, but they were part of that package where they get more money than everybody else. Texas, A&M, and Oklahoma get bigger shares of revenue than the other schools.
 
It looks like Oklahoma State just lost their OC, Dana Holgorsen, to West Virginia. He's going to be the OC there next year, then Bill Stewart is going to retire and Holgorsen is going to take over. Big loss for the Pokes.

Rodimus Prime said:
Sorry but A&M has a long way to go before it can not be counted as a wiping boy. After so many seasons of being beaten in a role it needs multiple good seasons to loose that title.
Sorry but TTU has been better the A&M over the past 10 years along with OSU. Baylor is the only school in the south that it has been able to compete with and beat on a consentant bases.
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I know you think that a few wins here and there make the difference between being a "have" and a "have not" but, to introduce reality into the conversation, there is a reason that A&M (along with OU and UT-Austin) gets the big bucks from the new Little 10 agreement while Texas Tech, Okie St. and the rest are left picking up the crumbs. It's also why A&M has a standing offer to join the SEC while Tech is left hoping to tag along to the Pac-57839534 whenever UT has their TV affairs in order and decides to go (if they deign to allow the "problem" in Lubbock to join them).

Even though A&M has been down in football for a decade, it still has more money, more fans, a bigger (wealthier) alumni base, a more nationally-recognized program, better facilities and more cache than Texas Tech ever will. It's just the simple reality of the situation.

There's also the fact that A&M appears to be a program on the rise back to its "rightful" place while Tech has, at best, appeared reach a plateau, and the fact that A&M has kicked the **** out of Tech two years in a row. Obviously anything can happen from here on out. A&M could fall on its face in the bowl game and suck next year, and Tuberville's scheme could take hold (and take off) in Lubbock, but right now it appears to be two programs moving in different directions. And with all the afore-mentioned eggs already in A&M's basket, coupled with the fact that A&M is good at everything while Tech, right now, is good at nothing, and it's not hard to see why steve's (and the nation's) perception is the way it is.
 
dmr727 said:
Someone wake me up when it's all over. Ugh!
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It's not a splashy hire, but the overall numbers were good (mostly).

Florida's 2010 Defense
Rush D: 129.92 ypg (26th nationally)
Pass D: 173.00 ypg (13th)
Pass Eff. D: 113.66 rating (23rd)
Total D: 302.92 (9th)
Scoring D: 21.08 (31st)
Turnovers: 24 (35th)
Sacks: 1.75 per game (76th)
Tackles for Loss: 6.33 per game (41st)
3rd Down Conv. D: 39.05% (54th)
Red Zone Conv. D: 81% (53rd) — 36 drives, 29 scores (19 TDs)

Actually, they are shockingly similar to Muschamp's (italicized where UF was better):

UT-Austin's 2010 Defense
Rush D: 138.58 ypg (44th)
Pass D: 161.58 ypg (8th)
Pass Eff. D: 118.92 rating (38th)
Total D: 300.17 (7th)
Scoring D: 23.67 (51st)
Turnovers: 18 (79th)
Sacks: 2.42 per game (30th)
Tackles for Loss: 6.33 per game (41st)
3rd Down Conv. D: 36.87% (34th)
Red Zone Conv. D: 80% (41st) — 35 drives, 28 scores (23 TDs)

So really, Mushchamp's D was better at getting after the QB, but Florida's D caused a lot more turnovers, and even though the Red Zone numbers are similar, almost everyone scored TDs against UT-Austin when they got down there, whereas Florida forced a lot more FGs.

The perception is probably going to be a little negative, though.
 
IgnatiusTheKing said:
The perception is probably going to be a little negative, though.
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Ya think?

With the 'Horns coming off a dismal year, the last thing they need is to hire a DC coming from a Gator squad that had an equally disappointing year

Especially if Muschamp lands Kirby Smart and Major Applewhite
 
MacDawg said:
Ya think?

With the 'Horns coming off a dismal year, the last thing they need is to hire a DC coming from a Gator squad that had an equally disappointing year

Especially if Muschamp lands Kirby Smart and Major Applewhite
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Teryl Austin was far from impressive IMO. Especially for an NFL coach. You have to keep in mind, Florida IMO has IMO top 3-4 talent in the country on defense. They are absolutely loaded.
 
HE15MAN said:
Teryl Austin was far from impressive IMO. Especially for an NFL coach. You have to keep in mind, Florida IMO has IMO top 3-4 talent in the country on defense. They are absolutely loaded.
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Losing Mullen and Strong was devastating to your program
 
HOLGY TO WVU! HOLGY TO WVU! HOLGY TO WVU!



Talking with my ex-coworkers on the team it seems as if Stewart loses the Champ's Bowl he's gone, as opposed to what espn is reporting at the moment, saying Holgorsen is head coach in waiting until 2012.


Either way I'm ecstatic at the moment. I like Stewart as a person, he was always nice to everyone he met, great ambassador for our program, but I do not think he's head coach material. And, as much as I hated Mullen calling our plays the last few years (our current OC) I wish him the best, looks like he may end up as Kent State's Head Coach.
 
wvuwhat said:
HOLGY TO WVU! HOLGY TO WVU! HOLGY TO WVU!



Talking with my ex-coworkers on the team it seems as if Stewart loses the Champ's Bowl he's gone, as opposed to what espn is reporting at the moment, saying Holgorsen is head coach in waiting until 2012.


Either way I'm ecstatic at the moment. I like Stewart as a person, he was always nice to everyone he met, great ambassador for our program, but I do not think he's head coach material. And, as much as I hated Mullen calling our plays the last few years (our current OC) I wish him the best, looks like he may end up as Kent State's Head Coach.
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OK, I'm confused here. Maybe it's because MSU hasn't been as successful as WVU or some other teams, but why? The guy has won 9 games a season every season. The team was contending for the Big East title this year until the last game of the season. Why do you fire a guy with that kind of record?
 
steve2112 said:
OK, I'm confused here. Maybe it's because MSU hasn't been as successful as WVU or some other teams, but why? The guy has won 9 games a season every season. The team was contending for the Big East title this year until the last game of the season. Why do you fire a guy with that kind of record?
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Two words: Rich Rod

They got spoiled, and they think they are one of the big boys
 
MacDawg said:
Two words: Rich Rod

They got spoiled, and they think they are one of the big boys
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Yeah, I guess so. I'm not wishing bad on anybody, but it's amazing how a few years of losing will usually smack those type of fans back to reality.

I found this article on Miami's coaching search. Some interesting bits:

A high-level trustee fully aware of how the search was done said, ``We were not going to get a star, and it wasn't a money thing. Why would [marquee coaches] leave any of their great programs'' to take another college job? ``Florida didn't get one either. We hired the best person that wasn't in the top 20.''
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In other words, no big-name coaches wanted to go there.

And this:

The trustee said UM inquired about Stanford's Jim Harbaugh, who wasn't interested, and said Jon Gruden never seemed serious about taking the job. Chris Peterson gave UM no indication he wanted to leave Boise State. UM thought Nebraska's Bo Pelini had some interest, but he changed his mind. And UM was turned off by Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen's big ego, with one trustee saying he acts like he invented the game.
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Again, nobody wanted to coach here, and we're scared of Dan Mullen. 🙂
 
Big name coaches are already at big time programs for the most part
If you are at an average or pretty good school and excel (Mullen), you may get the call to a big time program
But the U isn't a big time program any more
The U isn't the same U of Schnellenberger, Johnson or Erickson
They have a rough road ahead of them

I think the Gators made a good hire, but only time will tell

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Ok, what's this about Mike Leach possibly going to Texas as OC?

Any truth to that?
 
MacDawg said:
Ok, what's this about Mike Leach possibly going to Texas as OC?
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That's been the rumor for a while now, but I honestly don't see it. For one thing, I doubt Mack wants another hyper-strong personality like that on his staff and for another, I'm not sure DeLoss Dodds and the administration would put up with Leach's shenanigans.

The guy is toxic, and even though he still thinks he's head coaching material at the highest level, I'm not sure anyone else does (note that Miami couldn't get a "premier" coach but turned down Leach flat for the second time in four years).
 
steve2112 said:
OK, I'm confused here. Maybe it's because MSU hasn't been as successful as WVU or some other teams, but why? The guy has won 9 games a season every season. The team was contending for the Big East title this year until the last game of the season. Why do you fire a guy with that kind of record?
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Simple answer. The Big East. We should have steamrolled everyone we met. Even up until last year, the Big East's talent on a different level.

Look at Uconn, our Big East "winners", who LOST to Temple, Michigan, Rutgers, and Louisville.

While, I'm the first to admit the number wins our coach has acquired are o.k. as a head coach, the quality of wins, not so much in this terrible conference... Hell, we even lost to Syracuse at home for our HOMECOMING game. ECU last year, and an embarrassing loss to Colorado the year before with a quote from a commentator on espn that still haunts every WVU fan, "there's mass confusion on the WVU sideline."


Complex answer. They lost 80% of the fan base while Bill Stewart was at the the helm. I passed on alumni season tickets this year, because of his position. Have you ever heard this guy talk after losses, even wins? He's a great person and cares about his players (which I'm not going to make fun of), but he lacks that winning desire. He's more concerned with raising "fine young men" that will be "great fathers." Sorry, but in our conference you should be stepping on throats and not sitting on 7 point leads in the 3rd quarter.


We got a new AD and he has that "put as many points on the board as possible" mentality, which we lost after Rod left us.


And, furthermore, a lot of people that don't really follow WVU and just see a win over OU in the Fiesta Bowl the year Rod left don't realize that Stewart was just a figurehead. He didn't call the plays, he didn't recruit the players, and it was all pat white's endorsement that had our former AD name him head coach after 7 Jack and Cokes (I was a staff member that year, so I know down to the number how many drinks were consumed) at 3AM.


/rant




Anyone but Stewart is a better fit for this job and word is, different than what espn is reporting, if we don't win against NC State on the 28th. Stew is gone in any coaching position and Holgorsen is taking over as head coach, without his year as a Head Coach In Waiting as our Offensive Coordinator.
 
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