Sorry, I don't agree with that.
Not to mention that BSU came from behind to win by 3 against a lower-ranked team.
No, typically when you're ranked as high as #3, more often than not you have to hope someone above you loses.
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Sorry, I don't agree with that.
Not to mention that BSU came from behind to win by 3 against a lower-ranked team.
No, typically when you're ranked as high as #3, more often than not you have to hope someone above you loses.
Great wins for Boise and TCU this week. I don't think either of them will move much in the polls, though. Yes, Boise won against a top 10 team and TCU beat a top 25 team, but both were favored in their games and only did what they were supposed to. That's going to be the rationale, at least. No one is going to punish Ohio State for playing a patsy in week 1 when they have Miami in week 2 or Alabama for playing a nobody when they face Penn State the next week.
Florida may get dropped a spot for such a poor performance, but most likely will not. Personally, I think BSU may have just locked themselves into the BCS title game, since only Alabama, OSU, and Florida are above them in the coach's poll. At least one of them will drop since Bama and Florida play each other, possibly twice. The only team left on Boise's schedule that poses any kind of threat is Oregon State, and they didn't look all that impressive this weekend.
The only problem with that is the fact that Boise's terrible WAC schedule is going to hurt them. Every other team that will be in the hunt for the BCS title game (even TCU) plays a lot more than the two good teams Boise plays. And the fact that Boise's two toughest opponents are early in the year hurts them a little, too. Any undefeated AQ-conference team will have a more impressive resume than Boise will (in terms of who they played/defeated) by the time the season is over.
Amen!
Just to illustrate the point, we'll take my Utes (and their not even AQ (yet)):
They started at #24 in the coaches poll
just defeated the preseason #15 Pitt
Will play current #7 TCU
Will Play Notre Dame (who will probably be ranked at that time)
Will Play BYU (who may be ranked at that time)
Will Play Air Force (who may be ranked when they meet)
Will play a much tougher rest of conference schedule than BSU (AFA>anyone besides BSU in the WAC, and they're typically only the 4th best team in the MWC).
If both are undefeated at the end of the season, who should play in the BCS?
I'm not saying that I think Utah will go undefeated, but were it to happen, I think they'd have an argument to get in ahead of BSU. Honestly, I hope Boise drops in the polls, they won't play anyone else worth mentioning after Oregon State.
Actually, our SOS is higher than TCU this year. And just before game time we were actually 1.5 point underdogs in that game.
But I completely agree with you. Our WAC schedule is going to hurt us. That's why style points matter a LOT this season for us. We can't afford to squeak by a bad La. Tech team like we did last year. We're not going to be allowed to have an off night.
So you're telling me that had Boise State played Portland State, while Texas or Florida played Virginia Tech that they wouldn't have blown past us in the polls?
You're kidding yourself.
Jealousy is not a good color on you, my friend.
Didn't the BCS take strength of schedule out of the BCS formula a couple of years ago? If so, Boise's SOS won't really matter unless voters start voting them into a lower ranking. But as Tomorrow said, when you are ranked that high, it usually takes a loss to knock you down.
Jealousy is not a good color on you, my friend.
Ha Ha, I'm glad you placed the smiley to show your sarcasm, cause there's nothing to be jealous about. My school has more than gotten its due during the off-season.
SLC
I think you're correct that strength of schedule was taken out of the BCS computer formula, but it still plays a big role in the minds of the poll voters, and their poll still contributes significantly into the overall BCS rankings. So, in that regard, strength of schedule can still come into play. Voters are typically going to vote a team that plays a very tough schedule higher than one that plays a weaker schedule, which is what Boise State is cursed with with their conference schedule. They may end up with some impressive wins (Va Tech and Oregon State) early on, but those won't be fresh in the minds of the voters late in the season, when BCS rankings really matter. That being said, I think Boise State is a VERY impressive team, and looked great last night, barring all the penalties. A very well coached, organized, and composed team that played with a lot of determination. I think that if Coach Petersen can continue having the success he's had since becoming head coach (and I see no reason he can't), and attract even more highly skilled athletes, Boise State will continue to be a perennial top 20, maybe even top 10 team.
Heh. The reason Utah became the PAC-12 consolation prize is due to academics, and I'll never deny that the University of Utah is a better school than Boise State in nearly every way academically, but not for a second will I say that Utah could beat Boise State this year on the football field.
I really can't wait for Utah to start playing that PAC-10 schedule.
Heh. The reason Utah became the PAC-12 consolation prize is due to academics, and I'll never deny that the University of Utah is a better school than Boise State in nearly every way academically, but not for a second will I say that Utah could beat Boise State this year on the football field.
I really can't wait for Utah to start playing that PAC-10 schedule.
Are you honestly going to say that if Utah hadn't had the success it's had on the football field it would still have made it into the PAC-12?
If you think that's the case, you're kidding yourself.
And we'll have a game between our schools soon enough. Next year will be awesome!
I am, in fact, saying that very thing. Teams ranked #3 don't generally move up or down with a win over a lower-ranked team. And teams ranked #4 or 5 don't generally leapfrog a #3 team (which won its game), unless that #4 or 5 team beat the #1 team.
You can say I'm fooling myself, but I'm not the one being fooled here. Just how it is.
USC USC USC!
Reggie Bush got his Heisman taken away!
first heisman winner in like 70 years to take away his trophy
what a shame..
OJ Simpson killed 2 people, robbed a convention, and some other stuff. haha and he still has his heisman.
Reggie Bush got his Heisman taken away!
first heisman winner in like 70 years to take away his trophy
what a shame..
OJ Simpson killed 2 people, robbed a convention, and some other stuff. haha
and he still has his heisman.
I do not think that will be the case by the end of the season. TCU will play several good teams over the course of the rest of the season (even in conference play) but Boise will only play one. If Utah and BYU have good seasons again...if SMU is a bowl team again...if Baylor makes it to a bowl game for the first time in forever...all those things will help TCU. That's a lot of "ifs", but all of them could come true pretty easily. Multiple WAC teams having really good seasons is probably a lot less likely than all those other things happening.
The Vegas line shifts because of betting. Lots of people were taking VaTech and the points, which caused the line to shift. Boise was the favorite in that game, though, without a doubt. ESPN even talked about how Boise was going to have to handle being the favorite in every game this year instead of being the lovable underdog.
Boise is third. If they had been second and played a nobody and won by 60, they would not have gotten jumped by one of those teams after week 1 because everyone would be waiting to see how Boise played in a big noncon game. If, however, Boise didn't have a marquee noncon game scheduled, then they probably would get jumped in the situation you described. Of course, they never would have been ranked #3 to begin with without the VaTech game.
Also, it's not like Ohio State and Alabama played FCS teams. OSU played Marshall (on par with most WAC teams) and Alabama played San Jose State (a WAC team). Plus, like I said before, OSU and Bama both play big games this week. The pollsters typically take a "wait-and-see" attitude this early in the year. If both lose this week, Boise will be #1 with a good showing against Wyoming. Fresno and Hawaii playing well wouldn't hurt, either.
While there isn't a SoS component in the BCS per se, the computer polls do take schedule strength into account, so it does affect you. Just not as much as it used to.
No, what I was saying is that Utah wouldn't have made it in to the PAC-X if the teams they actually wanted would have accepted the invite. Like I said, Utah was a consolation prize.
I'm honestly happy for Utah and their success, but it's time for the Utes to put up, or shut up in the PAC-12, and I have a feeling it will be a while before they see the inside of a BCS Bowl again.
I disagree, who in the PAC 12 as presently constituted will have a better shot at the BCS than the Utes? I think they're well positioned to compete for the top spot in the conference from the first snap of the 2011 season.
I think they will represent from day 1! USC is neutered, and aren't quite the team they were 5 or 6 years ago, Oregon is nothing if not inconsistent, who else?
No, I think Utah will do just fine!
You guys have a lot more faith in the voters than I do. Heh.
There is a precarious faith in my Broncos, and I get the feeling that the voters will sway at the smallest sign.
There is a precarious faith in my Broncos, and I get the feeling that the voters will sway at the smallest sign.
USC USC USC!
Reggie Bush got his Heisman taken away!
first heisman winner in like 70 years to take away his trophy
what a shame..
OJ Simpson killed 2 people, robbed a convention, and some other stuff. haha
Well, it seems you can do whatever you want after you get out of school. Bush's problem was he did all that while in school. And got busted. I think if you cheat while in school, you should have it revoked.
Gotta love the human element in all this. Because a playoff would be way to complicated.
All this talk about the non-BCS schools just makes me wonder what it was like when other schools were rising to prominence. Florida State, for example, was nothing before Bobby Bowden got there. I can just imagine all the talk in the late 70s/early 80s about them, especially before they joined the ACC. "Florida State? Who is that? Who have they played?"
Or, even further back, I could just see people like Harvard and Yale in the early days griping about Alabama or Michigan.
OJ Simpson killed 2 people, robbed a convention, and some other stuff. haha
He was an eligible player when he played at USC. You're comparing apples and oranges.
I'm still griping about Alabama.
***holes!
Try living the state next door to them. Or going to college 90 miles down the road from them. I refuse to use Tide laundry detergent because of Alabama fans. If I were at home, I would post some of my favorite Bama related pictures.
Those "13" national championships are a joke. One of those was 1941, when Bama finished 3rd in their own conference, and lost to us (Mississippi State) and Vandy. They finished 20th in the AP poll. A while back, one of the MSU message boards started joking about that, since we beat them that year. They had some shirts printed up that declared MSU the national champs in 1941, since we had a better record and had beaten the so-called national champs head to head. Most of the ones from the modern era (1964 is questionable, though) are legit, but some of those early ones are a joke.
I think both are overrated but it should be a good game. I do not think either will be playing in the championship game.
I'm still griping about Alabama.
***holes!
Roll Tide~!!!
Try living the state next door to them. Or going to college 90 miles down the road from them. I refuse to use Tide laundry detergent because of Alabama fans. If I were at home, I would post some of my favorite Bama related pictures.
Those "13" national championships are a joke. One of those was 1941, when Bama finished 3rd in their own conference, and lost to us (Mississippi State) and Vandy. They finished 20th in the AP poll. A while back, one of the MSU message boards started joking about that, since we beat them that year. They had some shirts printed up that declared MSU the national champs in 1941, since we had a better record and had beaten the so-called national champs head to head. Most of the ones from the modern era (1964 is questionable, though) are legit, but some of those early ones are a joke.
But then again I am not your average Bama fan. I agree there needs to be some cleaning up when it comes to some of those "national championships".
Roll Tide.