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2010-2011 College Football Thread

steve2112 said:
Fine. See if I report anything again. Ungrateful little....

I was moving all weekend, so I was way out of the loop. We got to move these refrigerators, we got move these color TVs.

Anyway, I saw this article on the rule change next year that will take touchdowns off the board for excessive celebration. Lame! Yeah, let's let the refs decide if the TD stays on the board or not. It's like what happened to K-State in the bowl game, only instead of moving back the conversion try for a lame penalty, they wipe the TD off the board completely.
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I'm not so sure about this rule. I think it's going to be ok for the most part. As far as I can tell, most people don't understand it. I was watching ESPN earlier in the year, when talk of the new rule came out. They had an interview with someone from the NCAA rules committee on to explain it. According to him, the only time the rule comes into play is when a player begins celebrating BEFORE he crosses the goal line. For example...if a player breaking away for a touchdown starts "high stepping" on the 3 or 4 yard line, or pointing to the crowd, or an opposing player/sideline, taunting, stopping at the goal line and "falling" backward into the endzone, an unnecessary dive into the endzone, etc, then the penalty is "at the spot of the foul", even if the play is still going. If the player has already crossed the goal line before the celebration infraction occurs, then the touchdown stands and the penalty is assessed like it always has. So in the Kansas State example from this bowl season, and the UGA/LSU game that MacDawg referenced (I loved that game! :D ), the penalty would have been assessed the "old" way and no points removed. At least that's the way the person from the NCAA explained it, but if you look at the title of the article you linked... "Celebrating too much BEFORE TDs? Players to learn it's pointless" (key word being "before"), that seems to go along with what he said in that interview. If this is the way it's done, then I don't think I really have a problem with it. If a player commits the violation before he enters the endzone...fine...pull the points. Make it a "spot foul". But if they do that, I also think pass interference should be a spot foul. It's too easy for a defensive back who knows he's burned for a touchdown to purposely pass interfere and save the touchdown when he knows it's just a 15 yard penalty from the previous spot. Players are coached to do that when they know they are beat.

Added: The only area I see potential issues with the "new" excessive celebration penalty is that it also applies to all players on the scoring team. So, if the player scoring the touchdown doesn't commit a violation, but before he crosses the goal line one of his teammates "taunts"/points at/gets in the face of an opposing player/says something derogatory/some other celebration violation, the touchdown will be invalid. That might cause some issues.
 
MacDawg said:
Reminds me of how the Dawgs were robbed in the LSU game 2 years ago :mad:
Worst penalty call I have ever seen
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I agree. That call was terrible. Sadly, though, I have come to expect things like that from SEC refs.

I realize this rule specifically affects celebrating before the TD, but I still think it is silly. Personally, I don't see that big of a problem with some stuff, such as diving into the endzone or running around to kill some more time.

I think it's really just part of my overall dislike of those celebration penalties. It's silly that a guy who just scored a winning TD vs his biggest rival or scored to give his school a conference championship can't celebrate. Everybody talks about how emotional the game is, so let 'em show some emotion. These are 18-20ish year olds out there. Let them play the game. Sure, if a guy jumps up and does Riverdance or pulls out a Sharpie, then flag him, but otherwise, let them have some fun. Basically, it's a judgment call, and given how bad SEC refs have been the past few years, I want to leave as little as possible to them.
 
^^^
That is the problem with the rule, it is a judgement call made by the official that determines points, specifically when a game might be on the line.

Player dives into the endzone
Did he really feel that it was necessary? Or was he showboating?
Some cases are clear, others may not be
I don't want the official deciding that when points are on the line
It will never be seen as fair and equitable

I get really ticked when a player does something stupid to put the team at risk
But I get just as livid when an official robs a team with a bad call
 
chris975d said:
As far as I can tell, most people don't understand it.
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Perhaps. Let's see:

For example...if a player breaking away for a touchdown starts "high stepping" on the 3 or 4 yard line, or pointing to the crowd, or an opposing player/sideline, taunting, stopping at the goal line and "falling" backward into the endzone, an unnecessary dive into the endzone, etc
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That doesn't sound like "excessive celebration" to me - that sounds like "celebration." Which, IMO, shouldn't be penalized.

My thoughts on this have always been the same: if there is no taunting, and no delay of the game, then there should be no penalty. Simple.
 
Tomorrow said:
Perhaps. Let's see:



That doesn't sound like "excessive celebration" to me - that sounds like "celebration." Which, IMO, shouldn't be penalized.

My thoughts on this have always been the same: if there is no taunting, and no delay of the game, then there should be no penalty. Simple.
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It seems that it should be that way, but they are even referring to the Philidelphia Eagles DeSean Jackson's last second, game winning punt return in which at the goal line he ran most of the distance laterally (not entering the endzone) to run the remaining seconds off the clock as something that could be penalized under the new college rule. I personally think that was just a heads up play by a player to ensure that the opposing team doesn't have any time remaining to score, but if they are serious about using that as an example of this violation, then "high-stepping" would certainly be called. Heck, they called the single, 1-second salute to the crowd (not derogatory in ANY way) the Kansas State player did at the end of the bowl game as "excessive" THIS year. I can definitely see "high stepping" before reaching the endzone called for it next year.
 
chris975d said:
It seems that it should be that way, but they are even referring to the Philidelphia Eagles DeSean Jackson's last second, game winning punt return in which at the goal line he ran most of the distance laterally (not entering the endzone) to run the remaining seconds off the clock as something that could be penalized under the new college rule. I personally think that was just a heads up play by a player to ensure that the opposing team doesn't have any time remaining to score, but if they are serious about using that as an example of this violation, then "high-stepping" would certainly be called. Heck, they called the single, 1-second salute to the crowd (not derogatory in ANY way) the Kansas State player did at the end of the bowl game as "excessive" THIS year. I can definitely see "high stepping" before reaching the endzone called for it next year.
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Jackson's play was NOT to run out the clock at all. He even stated it plainly in the interview after the game that running the clock out was not his intent. His actions were just totally classless more than anything else.


In other news... Searels to Texas?

Georgia offensive line coach Stacy Searels is en route this afternoon to Austin, Texas, where a website covering University of Texas athletics, Orangebloods.com, is reporting that he could join the Longhorns’ coaching staff.
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The reaction here is mixed... with many saying "good riddance"
Our O-Line has underachieved and underperformed the past few years when it was supposed to be our strength

There are rumors that the Dawgs might just bring Mac McWhorter back from Texas now, or perhaps ex- Dawg and Auburn coach Hugh Nall. But those are very speculative at this point.
 
MacDawg said:
Jackson's play was NOT to run out the clock at all. He even stated it plainly in the interview after the game that running the clock out was not his intent. His actions were just totally classless more than anything else.


In other news... Searels to Texas?



The reaction here is mixed... with many saying "good riddance"
Our O-Line has underachieved and underperformed the past few years when it was supposed to be our strength

There are rumors that the Dawgs might just bring Mac McWhorter back from Texas now, or perhaps ex- Dawg and Auburn coach Hugh Nall. But those are very speculative at this point.
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Ok, but if he hadn't stated differently after the game, would it not normally be thought of as a head's up play to run out the clock, and not "excessive celebration" (again, he stated otherwise, but if he hadn't)?

And as far as MacWhorter at UGA, that'd be a pretty good upgrade from Searels! I know when coach Mac was our O-line at Tech we had a pretty darn good one. And as far as I've always been told, he was always a player favorite as a coach. I remember that many Tech supporters were extremely upset when we didn't offer him the head coaching position when the O'Leary fiasco happened.
 
chris975d said:
Ok, but if he hadn't stated differently after the game, would it not normally be thought of as a head's up play to run out the clock, and not "excessive celebration" (again, he stated otherwise, but if he hadn't)?

And as far as MacWhorter at UGA, that'd be a pretty good upgrade from Searels! I know when coach Mac was our O-line at Tech we had a pretty darn good one. And as far as I've always been told, he was always a player favorite as a coach. I remember that many Tech supporters were extremely upset when we didn't offer him the head coaching position when the O'Leary fiasco happened.
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I wouldn't mind Coach Mac coming back

And yes, running out the clock is a heads up play, and some have even taken a knee and gone down and not scored in some situations. But what Jackson did was showboating and taunting and classless.
 
MacDawg said:
I wouldn't mind Coach Mac coming back

And yes, running out the clock is a heads up play, and some have even taken a knee and gone down and not scored in some situations. But what Jackson did was showboating and taunting and classless.
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Ok, but what part of what he did was showboating and taunting, had he not admitted it afterward? I know he has a history of silly crap near the goalline, but I'm saying using that one play as an example, where precisely did he do anything that a college player might be flagged for next year? All I saw was him looking around a few times before crossing the goal line (could be argued to look for defenders around him). By the way, I'm not picking on you or anything. Just opening up discussion about something that might be very pertinent next year in college football.
 
chris975d said:
Ok, but what part of what he did was showboating and taunting, had he not admitted it afterward? I know he has a history of silly crap near the goalline, but I'm saying using that one play as an example, where precisely did he do anything that a college player might be flagged for next year? All I saw was him looking around a few times before crossing the goal line (could be argued to look for defenders around him). By the way, I'm not picking on you or anything. Just opening up discussion about something that might be very pertinent next year in college football.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-aU3MCC_OM

Time runs out while he is at the 30 yard line
There is NO running out of the clock

He raises the ball in the air at the 30 as a taunt
Then when he reaches the endzone he does not go in but runs up the line

Here is the interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1fUJ8txLqU

He gives "lip service" to the clock, but clearly says he did it to showboat for the fans
 
MacDawg said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-aU3MCC_OM

Time runs out while he is at the 30 yard line
There is NO running out of the clock

He raises the ball in the air at the 30 as a taunt
Then when he reaches the endzone he does not go in but runs up the line

Here is the interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1fUJ8txLqU

He gives "lip service" to the clock, but clearly says he did it to showboat for the fans
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So the raising the ball in the air is what you would consider to be possibly a taunt, and next year in college football possibly a spot foul right there, negating the touchdown run? Now if that hadn't been such a cocky player as Jackson, say....AJ Green for UGA, and he had broken away for a game winning touchdown and had the exact same actions to the letter, would you still feel the player was taunting and classless?
 
chris975d said:
So the raising the ball in the air is what you would consider to be possibly a taunt, and next year in college football possibly a spot foul right there, negating the touchdown run? Now if that hadn't been such a cocky player as Jackson, say....AJ Green for UGA, and he had broken away for a game winning touchdown and had the exact same actions to the letter, would you still feel the player was taunting and classless?
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I have no idea what college football will do next year with the implementation of their rules. I don't like the fact that a ref will get to make that kind of decision.

But the raising of the ball at the 30 and the taunting at the goal line was classless in my opinion. And I haven't seen AJ Green do anything like that. But yes, I have been livid with Dawgs who have cost the team field position for such things.

I'm from the Walter Payton school. Act like you've been there and hand the ball to the ref.

In Jackson's case, celebrating a HUGE win is understandable
Run like hell to the end zone and then celebrate with your team and fans
No need to hold the ball up to show everyone "hey, look at me and what I'm doing"
No need to prolong the play by running up the endzone line
Score, you earned it
Celebrate, you earned it

What if you hold the ball up and drop it and don't score?
What if while you are running up the endzone line someone blindsides you and you don't score?

Why take the chance?
It is selfish
 
Gotta love politics and money

TCU not happy game could move

TCU athletic director Chris Del Conte isn't happy with the possibility the Mountain West Conference will move the TCU-Boise State football game this fall to the blue turf in Boise.

As reported first by the Idaho Statesman, league commissioner Craig Thompson confirmed the league favors altering the schedule so Boise State can play TCU at home in the only conference game between the schools before the Horned Frogs head to the Big East starting in 2012.

Nothing has been decided, but the issue could come up next week at the league's board meetings in Las Vegas. Del Conte said it came up for discussion in some meetings about two weeks ago.

"It's our home game and they told us it would be our home game and to change the rules midstream is not appropriate," Del Conte told ESPNDallas.com by phone from China, where he's visiting this week. "I'm hoping they do what we originally said, which was that it would be a home game for TCU. To me to change it is not right, but that's been the discussion."

The MWC is in the middle of two BCS-evaluation windows. The first four-year window ends after the 2011 season, and the league gets to count all of TCU's success in that period.

But the second period started in 2010, and the league counts all of Boise State's results in that window. So from a conference standpoint, it's more important that the Broncos perform well to help the conference with possible automatic BCS bids in the future.

Because TCU is leaving the Mountain West, the school does not get a vote when it comes to whether the game is moved. Del Conte believes that because Boise State was inserted on the schedule to replace Utah, which departed to the Pac-10, TCU should get that home game, as agreed upon.

"We've been a valued member of the conference," Del Conte said. "I don't think just because we're going to the Big East for a different opportunity that we should be treated differently."
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Texas Tech drops TCU in football

For a second consecutive season, Texas Tech and TCU won't play their scheduled football game.

TCU associate athletic director Jack Hesselbrock, who is in charge of scheduling, confirmed the change Wednesday.

The Red Raiders were to visit the Rose Bowl champion Horned Frogs on Sept. 10 in Fort Worth. Texas Tech, however, needed to drop one nonconference game in order to fit in a ninth Big 12 game and opted to keep its games against New Mexico and Nevada and drop TCU.
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Well, the first step to Texas becoming and independent is complete. ESPN and the University of Texas have joined together to form a 24 hour TV network.

My favorite part:

ESPN and the University of Texas will combine on a 24-hour television network showing Longhorns sports as well as original series, studio shows, historical programming and other academic and cultural events.
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Academic and Cultural events? At UT? :D
 
No tone needed

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Georgia’s dream alive in Valdosta; Dogs get Mitchell, Rome (UPDATED)

A little good recruiting news for the Dawgs
If Richt pulls it off, the next coach might be loaded :p

Valdosta – Georgia’s recruiting dreams remained alive Thursday night as the Bulldogs recorded a sweep here in Title Town, landing two of the state’s top six players in the matter of two hours.

Tight end Jay Rome, an AJC Super 11 member and the No. 3 player in the state, committed to the Bulldogs over Alabama Thursday afternoon. Thursday evening, his wide receiver teammate Malcolm Mitchell, the state’s No. 6 player, joined Rome in tabbing the Bulldogs. He also picked the state school over Alabama.

“It’s a good idea,” Mitchell said of UGA’s “Dream Team” concept. “Jay going there and being a friend had a little bit of influence on me but it was based on what I wanted. That’s what it came down to. I had to do what I felt was right.”

Rome, a 5-star prospect from Valdosta High, unveiled his decision in a nationally-televised announcement that aired on the ESPNU show “Recruiting Insider.” In order to do that, Rome drove 80 miles with his family and head coach Rance Gillespie to tape-record the announcement at a Florida Public Television station near the Florida State campus in Tallahassee, Fla.

Mitchell stayed local. He unveiled his decision before a packed house at the bustling Hibachi Grill and Deluxe Buffet on Baytree Road just off I-75. Mitchell’s announcement was carried live on four Valdosta radio stations – 92.1-FM, 96.1-FM, 97.7-FM and 1150-AM.

Rome donned a white UGA cap and told show host Lowell Galindo,“I think I’m going to stay in state and go to Georgia.”

“Georgia’s a great school, they have great football and it’s known as ‘Tight End U,” Rome said. “At the end of the day, I wanted to stay home, stay in-state and get all the in-state love.”

Rome then implored other members of the mythical “Dream Team” to follow him to Athens. Specifically he called out Carver-Columbus running back Isaiah Crowell, the state’s No. 1-ranked player, who is visiting UGA this weekend; and Thomas County Central defensive end Ray Drew, the state’s No. 2 .
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The Cam Newton affair still stinks

Nothing really new in the full article... just more "sure does stink"

Cam Newton is no longer on the Auburn campus, but the stench from his father Cecil's pay-for-play scheme and bungled cover-up still hovers over college football likes gases over a landfill.

The smell has Auburn, Mississippi State, the Southeastern Conference and even the Heisman Trophy Trust holding their noses. And depending on whether the NCAA has completed its investigation or not, perhaps its breath, too. There remains no closure, no neat bow on the Newton box.
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