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2011-12 NFL football season thread
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If you are the "most valuable player", then aren't you inherently the most valuable player to your team?
The best offensive player wins Offensive Player of the year. The best defensive player wins Defensive Player of the year. And MVP goes to the most valuable. Obviously it's most valuable to their team... its not like a player can be most valuable to an opposing team.
That's EXACTLY what Brady has done for the past 10 years. It's not that Rodgers is being penalized. Yes, he is having a hell of a season. The Packers are also the defending Super Bowl champions, they have a lot of talent on both sides of the ball. It doesn't take away anything from what Rodgers has done.
Other than Gronk, Welker, and Wilfork, the Patriots have a bunch of nobodies. Their defense is horrendous, and would probably give up 35 points against Boston College. They are 10-3 ONLY because Brady is on the team. He is the sole reason. If you take him out of the equation, there is no way Hoyer or Mallet could win more than 3 or 4 games. That is the definition of Most Valuable.
If you are the "most valuable player", then aren't you inherently the most valuable player to your team?
The best offensive player wins Offensive Player of the year. The best defensive player wins Defensive Player of the year. And MVP goes to the most valuable. Obviously it's most valuable to their team... its not like a player can be most valuable to an opposing team.
That's EXACTLY what Brady has done for the past 10 years. It's not that Rodgers is being penalized. Yes, he is having a hell of a season. The Packers are also the defending Super Bowl champions, they have a lot of talent on both sides of the ball. It doesn't take away anything from what Rodgers has done.
Other than Gronk, Welker, and Wilfork, the Patriots have a bunch of nobodies. Their defense is horrendous, and would probably give up 35 points against Boston College. They are 10-3 ONLY because Brady is on the team. He is the sole reason. If you take him out of the equation, there is no way Hoyer or Mallet could win more than 3 or 4 games. That is the definition of Most Valuable.
I'm not going to go nuts here because I do believe Brady is second best and will be runner up for the MVP if its not unanimous like it was last year. Brady's accomplishments aside though. This award is week 1 to week 16. Anything outside of that can't be considered. Yes he's had an awesome career but I'm sure you agree that give an equal amount of time, Rodgers has the ability to do the same.
were you at the game? hope you didn't leave
mile high must have been electric!
Yes, I was at the game and it was amazing!!!
My son and I went in the 3rd quarter to use the bathroom and get something to eat. During that time the Bears scored their touchdown. When we got back to our seats, the Bears fans sitting next to me said, "You missed the best part of the game!" To which I replied, "No, I didn't. The best part is Tebow time in the 4th quarter." They were pretty quiet during the final drive when we kicked that 59 yard field goal to send it to overtime.
What ever!~
This is what I love. First team to win in your new stadium, 3-0 in your stadium and just look at all those mad faces.
Ah, I'm feeling so smiley!
This is what I love. First team to win in your new stadium, 3-0 in your stadium and just look at all those mad faces.
Ah, I'm feeling so smiley!
LOL..... killing me smalls....lol
I read that about Manning on the NFL site. There is a great argument that could be made for how he is easily the greatest asset to the Colts, and as the greatest (by numbers) QB of all time in most stats.
However, isn't it fair to say that the MVP should also go to the player who contributed a lot on the field? If that were not the case, then I say open up MVP honors to anybody on or off the field including Manning (injured) or the coaches who we all know can be the most deciding factor on a team. When I think of coaches who made a difference, all I have to do is look up north to the Bay Area and remember what Gruden did for us, and then if anybody doubted his coaching abilities, then saw what his Bucs did to us in the Super Bowl. I don't know if and what Manning does on the sidelines to help the team, and it could be huge for all I care, but give the MVP to a player who is doing the work on the field.
Also, it's possible, but not likely, that if Manning was OK to play that somehow his team would still be very bad. He "had" the greatest single three or four seasons a QB can ask for, but he is not exactly a spring chicken at 35. Like many greats before him, and many greats who will follow, they will lose their skills in the NFL while marching through their 30s. Sure, you have some people like Favre and Rice who have done well at 40 but it's still speculation to say the Colts would be a top contender had he remained healthy and that we can have expected him to toss the ball like his former 20-something self breaking records along the way.
I can't beleive Romo missed that easy pass to a wide open Miles Austin... That would have iced the game or in the very least made the Giants use up their remaining timeouts..... It's amazing how Romo consistently screws things up in clutch situations even when he has a monster game...... I think its better off for you cowboy fans that they dont even make it to the playoffs... The heartache will be greater when Romo screws up a game late in the playoffs.
Given JJ went 0-16 his first season I think Garrett has a fighting chance to stay in Dallas.
Nah, I think the kicker will stay......
The Colts should be getting creamed for their terrible coaching and players' performance this season. Going from 10-6 to currently 0-13 is really inexcusable. Yes, Peyton Manning is their MVP, but they've been a disappointment on all levels. And their prize for their incredible ineptitude is going to be Andrew Luck.
When the Patriots lost Tom Brady, they went 11-5 without him - and he was the reigning MVP. And I don't think anyone would argue the Packers would not go winless without Aaron Rodgers.
That said, I don't see how Aaron Rodgers isn't the MVP. He's having an incredible season, reminds me of Tom Brady's transcendent 2007 season. I'm admittedly totally biased, but I still think Tom Brady does more with less around him. Always has, and I hope, someday soon, we have a defense that isn't total crap. He's also been doing it for 10 years and has 3 Super Bowls, numerous records, and years and years of consistency.
When the Patriots lost Tom Brady, they went 11-5 without him - and he was the reigning MVP. And I don't think anyone would argue the Packers would not go winless without Aaron Rodgers.
That said, I don't see how Aaron Rodgers isn't the MVP. He's having an incredible season, reminds me of Tom Brady's transcendent 2007 season. I'm admittedly totally biased, but I still think Tom Brady does more with less around him. Always has, and I hope, someday soon, we have a defense that isn't total crap. He's also been doing it for 10 years and has 3 Super Bowls, numerous records, and years and years of consistency.
You can have an MVP and still be able to win games without him. It's a disgrace that the Colts are losing so much without Manning, especially when they could've signed a player much better than the guy they brought out of retirement during the (admittedly short) preseason. I think the Colts need to remove their coaching staff wholesale.
I agree. The kicker really wasn't the problem there. I think the issue is the Cowboys' lack of mental toughness. Period. Only a mentally weak team can give up leads and continuously swoon in the second half like they have. If I were Jerry Jones, I'd fire Jason Garrett. He hasn't impressed me one bit since he's been head coach, and his team makes a ton of dumb mistakes. Not to mention some questionable decisions on his part.
I agree completely. The Colts staff should be fired across the board. They've done a horrible job.
The overreaction on the Cowboys is amazing to me. They still control their own destiny and have a shot to make the playoffs. The defense really let them down in both the Cardinals and the Giants game. They've been plagued by injuries this year and that has contributed to their overall problem which is consistency.
I don't think Bailey is going anywhere. Dallas has had problems with kickers the last several seasons and Bailey has been solid for most of the year. The icing the kicker debacle last week was just odd all the way around and much of the blame for that is due to the way the end of the game was handled. Last night's ending wasn't his fault; the kick was blocked he didn't miss it. That's on the line, not on him.
I don't think Bailey is going anywhere. Dallas has had problems with kickers the last several seasons and Bailey has been solid for most of the year. The icing the kicker debacle last week was just odd all the way around and much of the blame for that is due to the way the end of the game was handled. Last night's ending wasn't his fault; the kick was blocked he didn't miss it. That's on the line, not on him.
I can't remember a worse year for the NFL. Other than the Packers, Saints and Patriots... no one is very good. Some are better than most but so many teams are worse than most.
Coaching is pathetic. Umpiring is pathetic. Teams are pathetic. Owners are pathetic. And the players are pathetic.
Plus, it is becoming a thug sport like the NBA did several years ago. Hip hop poses after plays, muggings on the field, tribal dances on sidelines, pot arrests, shootings...
I'm losing my favorite sport.
Seriously? One look at the AFC standings would make it almost impossible to agree with your arguments. You failed to mention three teams there that have been neck-to-neck on the top for some time now creating for an incredulous build of excitement and suspense week after week.
Peyton should really be MVP this year. I think his not playing and the record of the Colts makes it more decisive than any play by Brady or Rodgers
Coughlin iced the o-line more than the kicker. I wonder how many kicks are blocked when the kicker has been iced?
i can't believe people expect romo to complete passes.
the real story for me, a lifelong OAKLAND RAIDER fan, is that coach callahan(sp?) didn't have enough sense to change audibles and play calling strategy... gruden knew every move we were going to make...
but yeah, manning is the colt MVP.
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