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2012 Macbook Pro Redesign

apolloa said:
I have deleted my original post here due to a certain person trolling!

So back on topic... do you think Apple will change the trackpad at all? Make it bigger? Easier to click?
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I have been wondering the same thing. I hope so. I love the track pad for the Mac mini. I don't have a Pro yet - but would love to have the bigger track pad. The current Mac Book track pad is a bit small by compared to the stand alone model. The case rumors say the cut out for the track pad is about the same size, but I hope they use that so you can click and drag, but allow the rest of the bottom of the computer to swipe or move up and down. I got a feeling this may just be wishful thinking, but it would be nice. I am also wishing for .ac wifi. Let's see. Counting the days.

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Also wishing for Siri or at least Dictation and a IGZO display[COLOR=
 
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pgiguere1 said:
Based on their past "leaks from inside sources at Apple" (not by Mr. X), it's safe to assume the 9to5Mac articles are 100% BS written only to generate traffic on their blog and gain profits from ads. Not that anything that they said is impossible, but it's probably just a compilation of guesses they made.

I suggest waiting until WWDC before making judgements based on 9to5Mac's claims which have not been confirmed by Bloomberg or Joanna Stern.
Those include: Removal of the ethernet port, removal of the FireWire port, 2 Thunderbolt ports, 2 3.5 audio ports (in/out), 3 USB 3.0 ports, battery meter and power button on the keyboard.
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I agree. But you left out the biggest unconfirmed claim: the removal of the ODD. I found it particularly telling that Bloomberg made no mention of it either way - since IMHO it would be huge news if Apple removed it. I seriously doubt any controlled leak (which this seems to be) would fail to mention that if the ODD was actually going to be removed.

There are thinner ODDs available than the current Superdrive, so making the MBP thinner doesn't actually preclude having an ODD. I therefore wouldn't be surprised at all if it remains, although possibly not on all models, and maybe as a BTO option on those which do have it.
 
zgwortz said:
I agree. But you left out the biggest unconfirmed claim: the removal of the ODD. I found it particularly telling that Bloomberg made no mention of it either way - since IMHO it would be huge news if Apple removed it. I seriously doubt any controlled leak (which this seems to be) would fail to mention that if the ODD was actually going to be removed.

There are thinner ODDs available than the current Superdrive, so making the MBP thinner doesn't actually preclude having an ODD. I therefore wouldn't be surprised at all if it remains, although possibly not on all models, and maybe as a BTO option on those which do have it.
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I thought that for a while when I saw the Apple patent back in the fall about a thinner ODD. The only problem with that is that if they do make the MBP thinner while keeping the ODD, in a thinner form like that patent from several months ago, Apple's doesn't gain any space within the MBP casing, as opposed to being thinner but having the space left over from the removal of the ODD. Instead, Apple LOSES some space that they are using in the current MBP with no real benefits gained.

Also, if they drop the ODD, I'm also not sure if they would make the ODD a BTO option either. I would assume that would require a different casing with a slot and reorganizing of the internals structure to fit the ODD in. Also, the keyboard would have to be different in order to have the eject button. I'm not sure that production process would be difficult to manufacture, but I feel as though Apple would rather tell people to go get an external superdrive
 
kjell said:
It's the other way around: you trade a bit of sharpness (still way more than current displays) to get more screen space.

To clarify: now, all MacBook Pro's have the same sharpness because user interface elements allways take the same amount of pixels. So higher resolution means more screen real estate.

Let's assume the new 15" will be 2880x1800. If you set it on '1440x900 mode', you'll have twice the sharpness compared to the old displays. If you set in on '1680x1050 mode' you'll still have around 1.7 times the sharpness (still retina at typical laptop viewing distance) but with the same screen real estate of the old hi-res display.

The patent filing explains they can now do this without any artifacts and certainly not the ones you talk about.
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Yes, this is a nice explanation for how this should work. The question is whether it works, in particular it should also work with non-apple software... otherwise it will take years until everything is updated.

the review of the 1920x1080 11'' Asus laptop I linked above says that resolution independence doesn't work very well in windows if the scaling is not integer - they have some screenshots of native windows applications and other microsoft software that just look crap!
 
neilpryde23 said:
I thought that for a while when I saw the Apple patent back in the fall about a thinner ODD. The only problem with that is that if they do make the MBP thinner while keeping the ODD, in a thinner form like that patent from several months ago, Apple's doesn't gain any space within the MBP casing, as opposed to being thinner but having the space left over from the removal of the ODD. Instead, Apple LOSES some space that they are using in the current MBP with no real benefits gained.

Also, if they drop the ODD, I'm also not sure if they would make the ODD a BTO option either. I would assume that would require a different casing with a slot and reorganizing of the internals structure to fit the ODD in. Also, the keyboard would have to be different in order to have the eject button. I'm not sure that production process would be difficult to manufacture, but I feel as though Apple would rather tell people to go get an external superdrive
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But then you would have to also ask what to make of the rumour they are removing the ethernet port? Why would you keep the ODD but loose the ethernet port? One can be easily replaced with a USB plug in, one cannot unless it runs on USB3 or Thunderbolt (Thinking gigabit ethernet speeds here).

But that's why I said on the other page that no one can really stat what will be in the new machines.
 
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Stetrain said:
Except that they were the first (if I remember correctly) to put out information about the unibody machining process itself before the 2008 Macbook Pros were announced:

http://9to5mac.com/2008/10/04/the-brick-is/
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Correct. Like I said I limited my search to rumors from the release of the unibody MPS, but it's true that 9to5Mac has been right about some rumors prior to that.

They leaked that the unibody MBPs had a new fabrication process codenamed "Brick" and that they would use a glass trackpads.

After all if you consider those old leaks from 2008, it's true that 9to5Mac did get some exclusive information within Apple, but their track record remains very far from perfect.

I'm not sure how they got this information in 2008 and why they apparently didn't get new information from the same source about new products after that, but I still have very large doubts about their claims, considering that this correct information from 2008 was very limited and that this time, they claim to know every single detail about the new MBP, from the specs to every port and their location.

Let's just wait and see, if this report turns out to be total BS, we'll know not to trust them with their new report about the new iPhone with 1136x640 resolution and new dock connector.

zgwortz said:
I agree. But you left out the biggest unconfirmed claim: the removal of the ODD. I found it particularly telling that Bloomberg made no mention of it either way - since IMHO it would be huge news if Apple removed it. I seriously doubt any controlled leak (which this seems to be) would fail to mention that if the ODD was actually going to be removed.

There are thinner ODDs available than the current Superdrive, so making the MBP thinner doesn't actually preclude having an ODD. I therefore wouldn't be surprised at all if it remains, although possibly not on all models, and maybe as a BTO option on those which do have it.
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I noticed no reliable source confirmed this as well and found it quite interesting. In the past, controlled leaks from Apple tended to set expectation low so that at the time of the announcement, people would be positively surprised. For example, they made a controlled leak before the announcement of the original iPad to make people believe it would cost 999$.

While removing the SuperDrive is not objectively a bad thing, it's true that it would have made sense to leak its removal so that people wouldn't be disappointed at the time of the announcement. They did however leak it would be thinner, and I don't think it could be substantially thinner without removing the SuperDrive.

The current MBP is already one of the thinnest laptops with an optical drive and LV CPU. The Samsung Series 5 has an optical drive and is only .83" thick (13% thinner than the current MBP), but it uses a ULV CPU and integrated graphics, so the comparison isn't fair since it obviously needs a more simple cooling system and smaller battery. With that in mind, I doubt Apple could make the new MBP thinner by more than 5% if they were to keep the SuperDrive, and such a small thickness change isn't worth releasing a controlled leak about, it would make people expect too much and be disappointed at the time of announcement.
 
I have to admit I'm getting a little nervous that all these rumors are just rumors. I feel like there were more part leaks, pricing, sku labels, confirmations,
Huge inventory constraints, photos, inside source info and so on with other upcoming highly anticipated totally redesigned apple products. I'm just not seeing the same clues as I feel like I have in the past. Thoughts?
 
Yeah, it would be such a huge letdown if rumors were just rumors, and all that happens is that they update the CPU and GPU.
 
sk8r1230 said:
I have to admit I'm getting a little nervous that all these rumors are just rumors. I feel like there were more part leaks, pricing, sku labels, confirmations,
Huge inventory constraints, photos, inside source info and so on with other upcoming highly anticipated totally redesigned apple products. I'm just not seeing the same clues as I feel like I have in the past. Thoughts?
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Hmm, I would be in the same position but I understand that after the iPhone 4 incident, Apple took security to the next level. I mean sure, we sure leaks for some products afterwards, but there wasn't that many and they came from all sorts of places, and not everyone of them leaks turned out to be true. For example, the apparent iPhone 4S redesign, which some case makers being so sure they had the measurements and information to create new cases for a phone that's not already out, and they already used this information to create cases for a phone that didn't exist.

Just hang tight, one of the best things about Apple is just watching it all get revealed. Leaks might give people small glimpses but you'll never know what they could be up to at cupertino :D
 
pgiguere1 said:
I just went through MacRumors' archives to see exactly how reliable 9to5Mac has been in the past when they claimed they had information from "a source inside Apple". I tried to find every rumor they started between the release of the unibody MacBook Pro and the rumors of this new MacBook Pro:

Apparently, 9to5Mac has been wrong every time they have made predictions about future products, except when their source was Mr. X.

Mr. X seems to only have access to products names, SKUs and prices a couple of days before their release, indicating he probably has access to a retail/shipping inventory of some sort.

Never in the past has 9to5Mac revealed new information leaked from Apple's HQ (Cupertino) or from the supply chains (Asia). Other than this Mr. X who obviously can't know details about the next MBP or iPhone yet, 9to5Mac has never had a reliable source inside Apple in the past. 9to5Mac hasn't mentioned Mr. X in any of those previous "leaks".

Based on their past "leaks from inside sources at Apple" (not by Mr. X), it's safe to assume the 9to5Mac articles are 100% BS written only to generate traffic on their blog and gain profits from ads. Not that anything that they said is impossible, but it's probably just a compilation of guesses they made.

I suggest waiting until WWDC before making judgements based on 9to5Mac's claims which have not been confirmed by Bloomberg or Joanna Stern.
Those include: Removal of the ethernet port, removal of the FireWire port, 2 Thunderbolt ports, 2 3.5 audio ports (in/out), 3 USB 3.0 ports, battery meter and power button on the keyboard.
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9to5mac is more accurate than most other blogs lately they have really stepped their game up but their earlier years were bad.

Let's not forget how reliable they were last year with the iPhone, they pretty much had Siri down from the start.
http://9to5mac.com/2011/09/26/the-new-iphone/
 
I think the only way they could genuinely disappoint me is to either not refresh the MBP at all, or do an Ivy Bridge CPU/GPU update but not include USB3, in spite of the fact that Ivy Bridge includes a USB3 controller built-in.

Actually, no - there's one other thing that would be really, REALLY disappointing - if they redesigned the MBP so that it didn't include a discrete GPU. That would be a complete "I'm going to buy last year's laptop or put together a hackintosh" sort of deal-breaker.

Smaller or not smaller, lighter or not lighter, retina or no retina, ODD or no ODD, I'm ok. Ethernet or no, I'd be a bit inconvenienced, but I'm still ok.
 
jreed91 said:
9to5mac is more accurate than most other blogs lately they have really stepped their game up but their earlier years were bad.

Let's not forget how reliable they were last year with the iPhone, they pretty much had Siri down from the start.
http://9to5mac.com/2011/09/26/the-new-iphone/
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Yeah, they got Siri (what they called Assistant back then) right. Other than that, what they got right was the obvious stuff like A5 and the 8Mpx camera that was already leaked.

They said nothing new about the hardware except:
"Unlike the iPad 2, the new iPhone packs 1GB of RAM, according to a source familiar with the SOC’s manufacturing."
Which was wrong.

I'll give them Siri, but the only new hardware feature they announced about the new iPhone was wrong, so I'm not sure they stepped their game up that much and can be considered reliable like say Bloomberg.
 
I'm pretty sure 9to5 is gonna be right on this. Maybe not each and every port, but mostly right. I expect that the ODD is gone. Ethernet is probably gone. I HOPE they are right about two thunderbolt ports because that's amazing.
 
I check this thread every morning when I wake up lol

Anyways... I can't wait until we move on to the tracking FedEx flight portion of the apple product release cycle on here. :rolleyes:
 
Money lined up. Backpack lined up. Booq Vyper M3 lined up. Possible upgrades in the shopping cart on Newegg. Accessories lined up (TB to HDMI, mouse, etc.) Software .isos lined up.

I think I'm ready.
 
My perfect laptop:
15" screen,
Highest resolution possible
fastest available quad core w/ HT *such as the rumored 2.7ghz 3rd gen i7.
16GB RAM
180GB SSD
Backlit keyboard
Gigabit Ethernet,
3-4 USB 3.0 and esata (or TB->esata I guess?)
Weighs 5lb's and last 6-9 hours on battery
 
CountSessine said:
I think the only way they could genuinely disappoint me is to either not refresh the MBP at all, or do an Ivy Bridge CPU/GPU update but not include USB3, in spite of the fact that Ivy Bridge includes a USB3 controller built-in.

Actually, no - there's one other thing that would be really, REALLY disappointing - if they redesigned the MBP so that it didn't include a discrete GPU. That would be a complete "I'm going to buy last year's laptop or put together a hackintosh" sort of deal-breaker.

Smaller or not smaller, lighter or not lighter, retina or no retina, ODD or no ODD, I'm ok. Ethernet or no, I'd be a bit inconvenienced, but I'm still ok.
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You are easy to please it seems.

If they don't dramatically increase the quality of the screens I cant see spending that much.

it doesn't have to be an insane resolution (i'd actually prefer it wasn't).

But they need to majorly overhaul the color spectrum, IPS or bust.
 
Benjy91 said:
Buy the External Super-Drive, or get them both on Digital Download.
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There's a lot of portable, USB-powered optical drives out right now for fairly cheap. It's not a huge setback if an optical drive is needed. I've always tried using external ODDs anyway as I didn't want to wear out the internal one.
 
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