USB 3.0 ports are backwards compatible with USB 2.0 Devices.
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2012 Macbook Pro Redesign
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USB 3.0 ports are backwards compatible with USB 2.0 Devices.
Edit: Ok who would have thought two people would post in the same minute, half an hour after the question was asked? Well at least the info is there.
haha ok thanks thats good. but i guess that DOESNT mean you get the speed of USB 3 without having a USB 3 cable or memory stick ect
Right. A USB 2 device plugged into a USB 3 port will act like it was plugged into a USB 2 port.
Alright. Would this be likely?
All MBP's redesigned, slimmer.
They include:
-Retina Displays
-No ODD
-SDD storage on Motherboard for OS/Apps (32, 64, 128 GB options)
-Nvidia graphics
-USB 3
-SSD/HDD option for media/ other shtuff
-Bigger Battery
Not going to comment on other ports, have no idea. Would taking out the ODD give the space for more battery/ nvidia? (on a 13)
All MBP's redesigned, slimmer.
They include:
-Retina Displays
-No ODD
-SDD storage on Motherboard for OS/Apps (32, 64, 128 GB options)
-Nvidia graphics
-USB 3
-SSD/HDD option for media/ other shtuff
-Bigger Battery
Not going to comment on other ports, have no idea. Would taking out the ODD give the space for more battery/ nvidia? (on a 13)
Looks about right to me. I'm going to call the retina display an option (add $100) not default and not so many options on the SSD storage.
an optional retina display doesn't make sense imo, I think it will be standard as it will be one of the main selling points and apple will want everyone to have one.
First off, congrats to anybody who will read this whole post 
One way is to have an SSD blade (like on the MBAs) that holds just the OS and the apps, like you mentioned. This idea has been floating around for a little over a year now. The problem with this is what happens when the user runs out of space on their OS/App drive? The average user may not know what to do. They might think they need to delete movies in order to make room for a new application, but in reality they are on separate drives. That would not make for a seamless experience for the user. And for that reason I think it will most likely not happen.
The other option is to just go 100% SSD like the MBA. The problem with this is that MBPs are used by many professionals around the world who need storage. Apple did not design the MBA to be used as a main machine for a professional. So for those shooting a lot of images and going directly to the computer, it may not be ideal. In order for it to be a little more ideal, the SSD would have to be much bigger. Bigger as in bottom line 13" comes with a 256GB SSD standard. The problem is that those would be too expensive for the current price point and I do not see Apple willing to lose money on the SSDs to keep the current price point.
Another option is to have two 2.5" bays. With no optical drive, this would leave room. This could also allow the user to install an SSD themselves and pick whatever they need. But again, that is not for the average user and something like this would still have all the same issues as the other two options.
However, I do think it might be possible for Apple to make a seamless user experience if they did an SSD blade + mechanical. If they can make it so that the average user does not mess anything up when they need to install more applications, then I see that as being the best scenario. But this part of the new MBPs is something that we are all unclear on.
A while ago, traces were found of AMD 7000 series GPUs for the Mac Pro in 10.7.3 Beta. Sure, this is only for the Mac Pro. But Apple keeps things consistent. When they left NVIDIA in favor of AMD for their MBPs a few years back, they also switched their Mac Pros to AMD. So this is another thing still up in the air. Personally I would prefer NVIDIA for CUDA.
On one side, you would probably need better graphics to support retina display. On the other hand, you have to think about air flow and how hot it would get since there is only 1 small fan in the 13". Also, supposedly the integrated graphics in Ivy Bridge chips are powerful enough to support high resolution displays.
Yes, I think this will happen.
I believe this will happen. Unlike what somebody else said, I believe this will be standard on all of them much like retina is standard on all iPhones and iPads. You only get non-retina if you buy an older version.
I think this is very likely as Apple has been pushing to move past this old technology.
This is one part where we are really kind of loss on the exact details, but we know, or are fairly sure, that Apple will incorporate an SSD somehow as a standard option.
One way is to have an SSD blade (like on the MBAs) that holds just the OS and the apps, like you mentioned. This idea has been floating around for a little over a year now. The problem with this is what happens when the user runs out of space on their OS/App drive? The average user may not know what to do. They might think they need to delete movies in order to make room for a new application, but in reality they are on separate drives. That would not make for a seamless experience for the user. And for that reason I think it will most likely not happen.
The other option is to just go 100% SSD like the MBA. The problem with this is that MBPs are used by many professionals around the world who need storage. Apple did not design the MBA to be used as a main machine for a professional. So for those shooting a lot of images and going directly to the computer, it may not be ideal. In order for it to be a little more ideal, the SSD would have to be much bigger. Bigger as in bottom line 13" comes with a 256GB SSD standard. The problem is that those would be too expensive for the current price point and I do not see Apple willing to lose money on the SSDs to keep the current price point.
Another option is to have two 2.5" bays. With no optical drive, this would leave room. This could also allow the user to install an SSD themselves and pick whatever they need. But again, that is not for the average user and something like this would still have all the same issues as the other two options.
However, I do think it might be possible for Apple to make a seamless user experience if they did an SSD blade + mechanical. If they can make it so that the average user does not mess anything up when they need to install more applications, then I see that as being the best scenario. But this part of the new MBPs is something that we are all unclear on.
This is another thing we are not very clear on. We have heard lots of rumors that NVIDIA will be coming to MBPs. However, at this point you would think that there would be some hints of NVIDIA 600 series in a beta version of OS X.
A while ago, traces were found of AMD 7000 series GPUs for the Mac Pro in 10.7.3 Beta. Sure, this is only for the Mac Pro. But Apple keeps things consistent. When they left NVIDIA in favor of AMD for their MBPs a few years back, they also switched their Mac Pros to AMD. So this is another thing still up in the air. Personally I would prefer NVIDIA for CUDA.
I believe this will happen. This is why.
This will happen if they do the SSD blade or dual 2.5" bays. However, I do not really see Apple offering dual 2.5" bays because the average user would not know what to do with them. Although, they could easily fit two with the removal of the optical bay.
I think we can expect a bigger battery. Not sure how much bigger, but more battery capacity will be needed for the retina display. Look at the iPad. The battery capacity on the new iPad is 42.5 Wh and still keeps the same battery life even though it has 4 times as many pixels. For comparison, the iPad 2's battery was approximately 25 Wh. Basically, Apple made the battery much more dense without making it much bigger. I can see them doing the same thing to the MBP. However, with no optical drive, they will have room for a more dense battery and a bigger battery. With dual 2.5" drives, they can still keep a dense battery and increase the size slightly.
I definitely think the battery life on the 13" will improve because of the more dense battery and increased battery size from lack of optical drive. However, I think discrete graphics for the 13" is another thing that is up in the air.
On one side, you would probably need better graphics to support retina display. On the other hand, you have to think about air flow and how hot it would get since there is only 1 small fan in the 13". Also, supposedly the integrated graphics in Ivy Bridge chips are powerful enough to support high resolution displays.
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One of the new 13" Asus Zenbooks has a discrete nVidia GPU.
The only thing Apple is thinking about is knocking features off the 13" Pro to widen the space between it and the 15" model that costs $600 more.
I think the upcoming macbook pro will just be a refresh to include Ivy Bridge and the latest GPU. Maybe some changes such as a newer wifi card and better display (ie 1080p). Ivy bridge can use the existing sandy bridge motherboards making a redesign unnecessary.
Either way I can't wait
Either way I can't wait
I think the upcoming macbook pro will just be a refresh to include Ivy Bridge and the latest GPU. Maybe some changes such as a newer wifi card and better display (ie 1080p). Ivy bridge can use the existing sandy bridge motherboards making a redesign unnecessary.
Either way I can't wait
Then I will have to consider other brands.. Sager most likely.. for the money I will get more processing omphh.. 1600x1200 are somewhere near would be min.. they can do better then 1080p for the premium that is going to be charged.
I've looked at about 10 PC brand names.
I'm looking for something light, thin, 15" screen, and powerful.
The only thing that even remotely comes close to what I'm looking for (in regards to windows) is an HP elitebook 8560. After configuring it with similar specs to that of the macbook pro it comes to 2500 dollars. Even the 8460 (14" screen") is 2000 dollars.
The premium you're paying for is more than just specs.
I'm looking for something light, thin, 15" screen, and powerful.
The only thing that even remotely comes close to what I'm looking for (in regards to windows) is an HP elitebook 8560. After configuring it with similar specs to that of the macbook pro it comes to 2500 dollars. Even the 8460 (14" screen") is 2000 dollars.
The premium you're paying for is more than just specs.
Yes, it is possible. But like I said, you need to consider other things besides just "is there enough space." Some examples are air flow and how hot the computer will get when on your lap.
I think they want to keep the 13" light while still keeping it powerful. Also, $600 is a wrong comparison. Top of the line 13" is $1,500 and bottom of the line 15" is $1,800, that is a $300 difference in between the screen size gap. Your $600 comparison gap was not right because that $600 price difference was not a gap since there was another 13" model in that price difference.
HP is the most popular PC brand. I do not see anything wrong with somebody comparing Apple and HP computers since they are two of the most popular brands.
I doubt it. They will give you an option, as they already do, of either having a SSD or a HDD. They won't have both. That is too confusing for the average user, and Apple is all about simplicity. Like I've said before, the flash memory will probably be exclusive to the Airs. I think they will just make the Pros thinner or lighter due to the lack of the ODD. I don't think they will replace the ODD with anything.
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Btw, that last sentence is nebulous to the extreme. In terms of global usage, Apple computers are nowhere near as popular as HP laptops. "Popular Brand" means anything you want it to mean. Luis Vuitton is a "popular brand", but most women aren't rocking their latest stuff.
that is a realistic expectation but i'd personally prefer a Quad core over a discrete GPU. I just don't see apple putting a gpu in the 13....so i'm hoping quadcore IB
I wouldn't garuntee an Nvidia for the 13" but put it this way, if they do drop the odd, and make the design slimmer, then how are they to differentiate the 13" Pro from the 13" Air? They will be very identical. I think a discrete card has a good chance of appearing in the 13" but it will be less powerful then the 15"
I think them integrating a ssd into the mobo would be a horrible idea.
SSDs are not perfect right now. They do break down over time & there are a certain number that will malfunction. Granted many problems lie w/ the controller, but the farther from SLC they get the more unreliable the nand gets.
Not being able to replace that if it goes bad is dumb.
The elitebooks are pretty solid devices. Until you hold one in your hand you really can't say it's a joke. These things will last forever in harsh conditions. I barely ever have to work on the elitebooks for hardware failures. I just have to work on the OS's because they constantly get viruses/malware. I work in IT so I know.
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Oh I forgot.
http://www.sager.com/ = An Electronic Component Distributor Unlike Any Other. I don't think they sell laptops.
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Oh I forgot.
http://www.sager.com/ = An Electronic Component Distributor Unlike Any Other. I don't think they sell laptops.
The thing about Ivy Bridge is that it uses 22nm trigate technology. Making it run cooler at high frequencies. You will likely see quad cores in the 13" but not a discrete card.
Intels 3D Transistors Boost Performance, Lower Power Consumption for Ivy Bridge
This explains the delay. Basically the stock for sandy bridge devices were too high to release any products of ivy bridge.
Report: Mass Launch of 22 nm Ivy Bridge CPUs is Delayed Until June
Intels 3D Transistors Boost Performance, Lower Power Consumption for Ivy Bridge
This explains the delay. Basically the stock for sandy bridge devices were too high to release any products of ivy bridge.
Report: Mass Launch of 22 nm Ivy Bridge CPUs is Delayed Until June
Take a look at this!! For anyone wondering if apple will go with nvidia graphics this might answer your question....or be a huge coincidence...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/16/nvidia_vgx_gpu_virtualization/
Check the photo near the bottom of first page. Taken from an nvidia presentation.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/16/nvidia_vgx_gpu_virtualization/
Check the photo near the bottom of first page. Taken from an nvidia presentation.
The bigger questions is will Apple want to put a quad core in the 13"?
And at what price. I know it is physically possible.
If they add an SSD it will likely be an Intel SLC cache device to speed up the hard disk using intel smart response technology which makes the O/S only see one disk, solving the problem of people having to figure out how to manage a two drive system.