Camwin
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How is the fact that macs have shipped with the newest intel hardware BEFORE, other brands irrelevant?
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How is the fact that macs have shipped with the newest intel hardware BEFORE, other brands irrelevant?
Because my point is the macbook will likely ship around the 15th of June.
Anything in relation to "before other brands" or "after other brands" falls into the word "around". Making what you're saying irrelevant. It's implied when someone says "around" <something> that they mean you can draw a big circle around it.
*sigh
It's sad that I have to explain basic grammar and reading comprehension.
Anything in relation to "before other brands" or "after other brands" falls into the word "around". Making what you're saying irrelevant. It's implied when someone says "around" <something> that they mean you can draw a big circle around it.
*sigh
It's sad that I have to explain basic grammar and reading comprehension.
HP is still an important player in consumer products. In fact, if intel did give HP exclusive early access (a variation on what we're talking about), and it was announced as such, I suspect that it would be big news indeed!
pgiguere1
macrumors 68020
Big news yes, but mostly because of the WTF reaction everybody would have.
Most of the laptops HP sells are cheap ones on sale at Best Buy and other large stores. Some of them sometimes even include older-generation CPUs, but people still buy them because they're cheap and they either don't know or don't care about the CPU architecture.
People who buy HP laptops rarely wait for the new model and go buy one on release day. I doubt HP sells more of one laptop when it's introduced than during the rest of its life cycle, making that sort of deal with Intel totally pointless.
Apple users, on the other hand, are another type of creature. They will speculate about new hardware for months, hold buying stuff they need just because "a new one is right around the corner" and wait for some marketing conference like kids wait for Christmas. They will then make lines on launch day to get it as soon as possible even though they already have another 1-2 year old perfectly good and functional Mac laptop.
I think a brand like HP won't make deals with Intel to get early access to new hardware for the same reasons as why HPRumors.com doesn't exist.
Anyway, at this point it's safe to assume nobody got early access to IB chips and HP were just a couple days faster to release their products.
Why are we even bringing HP in comparison to Apple? Last I checked, HP was about to fail completely, and needed a losing CA governor hopeful to lead them back.
When did HP release their Sandy Bridge laptops, compared to Apple?
When did HP release their Sandy Bridge laptops, compared to Apple?
So this is a stupid question but would they really get shot of the Ethernet port on the MBP? It just seems to extreme because not everyone has access to wireless internet? 😕
Also this debates on whether i get the new MBP or the latest one? Some help please guys? 🙂
Also this debates on whether i get the new MBP or the latest one? Some help please guys? 🙂
This has been discussed for pages on end. There is a high possibility that they will get rid of the ethernet port, and they sell a USB adaptor if you need one. With USB3/Thunderbolt they could sell a faster adaptor.
Just wait 9 days and see what Apple unveils then decide. It would be stupid to buy now unless you absolutely had to.
luffytubby
macrumors 6502a
I wish the Macbook Pro 13, would be a convertible in design, so it would be a tablet(ipad) / macbook hybrid, a bit like the Ideapad Yoga: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG0rg9_NUvk
it's a brilliant idea, and it would make the MBP13 be different from the air.
it's a brilliant idea, and it would make the MBP13 be different from the air.
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That won't affect the sales of the 13", seeing as it's the best-selling of the "Pro" line (I hate classifying it as a Pro because it is not). It would be a cool idea, though.
Xcallibur
macrumors 6502a
Apple is always ahead of the competition. Apple does release their product line before others in the industry. The new laptops and any other products introduced at WWDC will be available for purchase on the apple website.
In the past years the store retailers have had the new Apple product line available for sale the next day after the WWDC.
Just 9 days left!!!!
In the past years the store retailers have had the new Apple product line available for sale the next day after the WWDC.
Just 9 days left!!!!
Beachguy
macrumors 65816
By the way, some people buy those entry-level HP laptops because that's all they can afford. I have a friend who is a teacher- she bought one at Christmas and had to scrape the money up over a few months to get it. For her and her two kids, it's GREAT machine. Fast and pretty, because their 2004 machine was very tired.
Being cutting edge is great, but not everyone can afford. For these people, a low priced machine is a godsend.
Being cutting edge is great, but not everyone can afford. For these people, a low priced machine is a godsend.
There ought to be a term, similar to 'Godwin's Law' and the mention of Nazis, for calling someone a 'fanboy' ('fanboi', 'fan-boy'). It's not just adhom, it's dumb adhom. It says so much more about the twits that use it than anyone else. 🙄
Anyways, what is known?
I'll reiterate my predictions:
Anyways, what is known?
- The MBP or whatever replaces it is still a flag-ship product for Apple with value to both the company's overall strategy and bottom-line (compare and contrast to the Mac Pro).
- There's a new and largely superior component (IB) now available to Apple and PC makers.
- Apple doesn't spend a lot of time on old technology. If you want to install an old version of OSX on a new mac, Apple won't help you. If you want to run an old, developer-abandoned program on a new version of OSX, Apple won't help you. For the most part, this is a /good/ thing because it lets Apple carry a lot of the innovation in this industry with just a fraction of the marketshare of the Windows world. Testing matrices and backward compatibility are expensive. Apple mostly gets away with this because they don't have a presence in enterprise computing.
- The optical disk drive slows down the boot for the current MBP. I can tell you this without hesitation because I've had to reinstall my optical drive in my MBP to sell it.
- The DVD/CD has gone from being the critical-path software, movie, and music distribution medium to being a sort of last-resort when you can't get those things online. There's a big market now for drive bay adapters for MBP owners who want to toss their optical drives for something consistently useful, like a second hard drive. That's a pretty good hint that the majority of MBP owners are probably done with optical storage.
- There are retina-resolution displays available in quantity from suppiers in Asia.
- In spite of how good the current unibody design is, and in spite of the fact that no PC maker has made a laptop or notebook that comes even close in fit-and-finish to the unibody (indeed, in those 5 years, the horrible netbook has come and gone), the design is 5 years old now and should probably be refreshed.
- Apple has a much closer relationship with Intel than HP does. HP is the basket-case of the tech industry right now. They're not really making anything that anyone really wants and needs to get from them, their PCs are scarcely different from their PC competitors - PC clones made of cheap plastic with some stamped metal garnishing, and they're laying off the last of the people in North America who actually knew how to do anything technical while keeping the sales force around to live off innovation from the past. Worse for Intel, though, is that HP doesn't have a clue - you're stupid or desperate to get into bed with HP right now. They've changed strategic directions enough in the last year to induce whiplash, their board is completely dysfunctional, and their current CEO probably won't be around long enough to see her name embossed on the gold label on the door to her office.
- Ivy Bridge has USB3 for free. As great as thunderbolt is, and as bright a future as it has as a docking and peripheral interconnect both in the Mac and the PC world, it didn't get out of the gate early enough to gain any kind of a lead with portable external storage. There are (almost?) no thunderbolt drive enclosures and only a handful of expensive portable thunderbolt drives. USB3, OTOH, is on fire - in a few months you won't be able to buy an external drive enclosure that doesn't feature USB3.
I'll reiterate my predictions:
- Ivy Bridge MBPs WILL be released in June.
- They'll probably be a redesign. It'll almost certainly feature a unibody, but thinner as in the Bloomberg rumor.
- Say goodbye to the optical drive in the MBP. It's gone. Deal with it.
- It WILL have USB3. Apple needs to do almost 0 work to get this done.
- It won't feature a price cut. Apple doesn't do price cuts.
- The 15" will still have a discrete GPU
- Whatever is at 13", I'm pretty sure it'll be good. This is Apple's most popular Mac and they won't kill it or ruin it.
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skaertus
macrumors 601
Probably not. But perhaps there is a subtle price cut. Apple has cut prices before. You should remember that, when the MacBook Air was released, in 2008, the base model was sold for US$ 1,799. Today, the base model (for the 13"; there was no 11" at the time) sells for US$ 1,299 and the high-end model sells for US$ 1,599.
Apple should cut prices for the 17". There's absolutely no reason for it to cost US$ 300 more than the top-range 15" (which is already very expensive), as their specifications are the same (except for the larger screen).
Camwin
macrumors regular
It's sad that you have an attitude that you don't deserve. What you said was basically agreeing then, therefore you never had to say anything in the first place.
Also around, would be in close proximity, not have a "big circle" around it.
luffytubby
macrumors 6502a
I would love to remove the optical drive. a bundled slim dvd drive(with extra connectivity) could be a purchaseable extra.
what you could add instead;
1) a dual fan system in the back. meaning instead of having 1 fan you could have two in the left AND right back. increasing airflow, decreasming temps, allows for more silent fans, which means more silent machine with components that last longer.
2) a dedicated gpu because cpu and gpu can have seperate dedicated fans.
3) more space for battery. this is the main thing.
lets face it. optical storage is dead. people barely wanna take the time to skip through the awkward slow dvd menus and intro copyright infringements, so they take 5 min to DL a 700mb movie online. im not advocating piracy, but just explaining the thought process.
people spend good money to buy a film in a lame plastic case that was build by chinese child workers in a plastic melting plant in beijing. think back to records. when you bought a record back then, after the experience was the cover art and just reading and singing to the lyrics while you listened to the entire album back to back. back then owning the physical thing meant something.
now a days a dvd is as impersonal as can be. and you pop the DVD in and you are FORCED against your will to watch the beyond-retarded "you wouldnt still a car" info and commercials before you get transported to a jiggery mess of dvd menus that loops over and over. you gotta ask yourself, if movie studios really wanted to get on consumers good side, if they at least would treat the customers right.
and so i think because people got slobby by making optical software that made sense, people have moved digitally. then there is the whole ease-of-process thing.
but having something physical now doesn't mean anything. kill the optical and any application that needs a dvd in it to run. soo dumb.
what you could add instead;
1) a dual fan system in the back. meaning instead of having 1 fan you could have two in the left AND right back. increasing airflow, decreasming temps, allows for more silent fans, which means more silent machine with components that last longer.
2) a dedicated gpu because cpu and gpu can have seperate dedicated fans.
3) more space for battery. this is the main thing.
lets face it. optical storage is dead. people barely wanna take the time to skip through the awkward slow dvd menus and intro copyright infringements, so they take 5 min to DL a 700mb movie online. im not advocating piracy, but just explaining the thought process.
people spend good money to buy a film in a lame plastic case that was build by chinese child workers in a plastic melting plant in beijing. think back to records. when you bought a record back then, after the experience was the cover art and just reading and singing to the lyrics while you listened to the entire album back to back. back then owning the physical thing meant something.
now a days a dvd is as impersonal as can be. and you pop the DVD in and you are FORCED against your will to watch the beyond-retarded "you wouldnt still a car" info and commercials before you get transported to a jiggery mess of dvd menus that loops over and over. you gotta ask yourself, if movie studios really wanted to get on consumers good side, if they at least would treat the customers right.
and so i think because people got slobby by making optical software that made sense, people have moved digitally. then there is the whole ease-of-process thing.
but having something physical now doesn't mean anything. kill the optical and any application that needs a dvd in it to run. soo dumb.
Not sure what comp you have but the 15" and 17" already have dual fans, they're both attached to both heatsinks too which I prefer as I mostly need the CPU power over video performance
The ASUS Zenbook UX32VD has a dedicated graphics card, the nvidia 620m, while maintaining a small and slim structure much like the macbook pro 13 inch. The dedicated graphics card is probably neccessary for the 1080p screen it has. Therefore, since there are rumors of retina display and such for the upcoming macbook pros, isn't it likely for a 13 inch macbook pro to have a dedicated graphics card? And for those mentioning it's impossible due to heat, again, the zenbook ux32vd has a dedicated graphics card and is set for release later.
It's bigger than the 15. It therefore requires more resources to produce it. It should cost more, otherwise there wouldn't be profit.
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Not necessarily. Intel said that Ivy bridge's integrated graphics 4000 can support 4k ("retina") resolutions wayyyy back.
While the intel hd graphics 4000 may support 4k resolutions, theres no denying that it will struggle in graphic intensive apps as opposed to having a dedicated graphics.
Intel said Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge were designed for retina resolutions. There won't be major issues. You certainly won't be running games in native resolution however.
W.O.W.
I'm the one that stated my opinion, I get attacked for it, and then you have the nerve to tell me "i never had to say anything in the first place"
So what my opinion isn't good enough for this forum? Is that what you're saying? Are you saying I should not post at all? Are you that "superior" to me?
PC forums are a lot friendlier ....
I'm the one that stated my opinion, I get attacked for it, and then you have the nerve to tell me "i never had to say anything in the first place"
So what my opinion isn't good enough for this forum? Is that what you're saying? Are you saying I should not post at all? Are you that "superior" to me?
PC forums are a lot friendlier ....