2012 Macbook Pro Redesign

[keramidas]

I am going to feed into the insanity, just for the sake of it.

so imagine apple introduces these rumored "Macbooks" with terrific displays, "wow" specs and HDD drives (either 5400rpm or 7200rpm it doesn't matter) and 4GB basic configuration RAM (charging >$200 for 8GB).

Imagine then people pouring in to buy these dream machines only to find out a few days later that ram is soldered or that apple mysteriously made the drive not user-reachable.

Oh, the laughs...

 

[pgiguere1]

I am going to feed into the insanity, just for the sake of it.

so imagine apple introduces these rumored "Macbooks" with terrific displays, "wow" specs and HDD drives (either 5400rpm or 7200rpm it doesn't matter) and 4GB basic configuration RAM (charging >$200 for 8GB).

Imagine then people pouring in to buy these dream machines only to find out a few days later that ram is soldered or that apple mysteriously made the drive not user-reachable.

Oh, the laughs...

Imagine they also rename the 13" to simply "MacBook" and they restart blocking the use of "Pro" applications like Final Cut Pro cause your machine isn't "Pro".

They could also block the installation of apps outside the Mac app store since you're not Pro enough to risk getting a trojan.

 

[ivanpk]

Seriously can't wait for Monday so I can stop refreshing MacRumors so much.

 

[keramidas]

Imagine they also rename the 13" to simply "MacBook" and they restart blocking the use of "Pro" applications like Final Cut Pro cause your machine isn't "Pro".

They could also block the installation of apps outside the Mac app store since you're not Pro enough to risk getting a trojan.

lol

greets from Toronto m8, gonna drive up tomorrow for F1

 

[neilpryde23]

I realize that typically analysts don't offer any good info, but if you actually search Ming-Chi Kuo on MacRumors, he seems to have a decent track record. Not perfect, obviously, but better than most 'analysts'.

https://www.macrumors.com/search?s=Ming-Chi+Kuo

He accurately predicted:
-the iPhone 4S design being the same as the iPhone 4 and release time-frame (although he was wrong about the announcement date)
-the 11-inch MBA release
-the white iPod Touch update of October 2011
-the phasing out of the white Macbook
-and was slightly off with the July 2011 MBA sandybridge/thunderbolt update by 1 month (predicted June) but was still close

and was wrong about:
- iPhone 4S announcement at WWDC (See above)
- Minimum of 4GB Ram 128GB SSD for MBA
- iPad 2 having Anti-Reflective Screen

I'm sure there's more stuff that he's been right/wrong about but this is just a quick list from a search on MacRumors.

 

[Marrakas]

It doesn't make sense to introduce a macbook with the same price as the pro, where the only difference is that the pro doesn't have retina. Wouldn't they shoot themselves in the leg this way?

 

[Blu-Ray]

It doesn't make sense to introduce a macbook with the same price as the pro, where the only difference is that the pro doesn't have retina. Wouldn't they shoot themselves in the leg this way?

I think there will be two 15" laptops - the one with retina will be on the new thinner and lighter form factor, have more standard RAM, posibly SSD as standard and sell for a premium price of $300-$400 more. The other 15" laptop will be a spec bump in the current form factor with an ODD.

This is my prediction based on the latest rumors...

 

[iamthedudeman]

I think there will be two 15" laptops - the one with retina will be on the new thinner and lighter form factor, have more standard RAM, posibly SSD as standard and sell for a premium price of $300-$400 more. The other 15" laptop will be a spec bump in the current form factor with an ODD.

This is my prediction based on the latest rumors...

I am thinking that is the case as well. But what will they be called?

 

[Blu-Ray]

I am thinking that is the case as well. But what will they be called?

Well, rumors are saying that the new design will just be "MacBook" and the spec bumped MBP will still be MBP... but not sure I buy that. It may confuse people that the "MacBook" has more premium features than the MBP.

So my prediction is that they will both be MBPs.

 

[sk8r1230]

9 to 5 has a pretty in depth opinion on the new Mac rumors.

 

[samac92]

9 to 5 has a pretty in depth opinion on the new Mac rumors.

Yeah they propose two scenarios
http://9to5mac.com/2012/06/08/wwdc-...s-and-os-x-mountain-lion-bonus-new-apple-app/

 

[Alfonsomac]

Guys i was wondering about the past rumors.

Some days ago we read that the new Macbook Pro would cost 3000$, which, of course, means a price increase.

Today AppleInsider says that Apple may introduce a new kind of Macbook lines between MBA and MBP.

If that is true, maybe Apple wants to keep the MPB lines really "Pro", for a professional use, while the new line would introduce the known new features like retina display, no odd, ssd, etc. for a common use.

In this case, a new Macbook line wouldn't appear so insane...

I hope you'll understand what i want to say

 

[jcpb]

Guys i was wondering about the past rumors.

Some days ago we read that the new Macbook Pro would cost 3000$, which, of course, means a price increase.

Today AppleInsider says that Apple may introduce a new kind of Macbook lines between MBA and MBP.

If that is true, maybe Apple wants to keep the MPB lines really "Pro", for a professional use, while the new line would introduce the known new features like retina display, no odd, ssd, etc. for a common use.

In this case, a new Macbook line wouldn't appear so insane...

I hope you'll understand what i want to say

AUS$3000. No way will the new MBPs cost this much stateside.

 

[Vexed]

None of these rumors sound very "Apple". If the rumor that the new retina displays / form factor redesigns will be a return to "MacBook", and yet the MacBook Pro will remain but given a standard spec upgrade is true, then Apple is going to suffer from serious brand confusion.

 

[CountSessine]

It doesn't make sense to introduce a macbook with the same price as the pro, where the only difference is that the pro doesn't have retina. Wouldn't they shoot themselves in the leg this way?

Not if they move their leg out of the way first.

Let's imagine that the pro and non-pro 15" both use the same logic board. So the Ivy Bridge work is only done once.

Apple knows how a small minority of users will howl, at first, about losing Ethernet and the optical disk drive ( "It's not 'pro' enough for me! Apple doesn't make 'pro' hardware anymore! DVDs are so 'pro'!" ).

So give the tiny minority of 'pro' adherents who really want the optical disk drive what they want by making a handful of machines for them based largely on the old design. But focus production on the non-pro variants, which are going to be what almost everyone will buy.

In 3 months time all the 'pro' people realize they actually DIDN'T need an optical disk drive, they sell their 'pro' and buy a new non-pro macbook with the Retina display and the lighter weight. At that point the 'pro' goes out of production in the middle of the refresh cycle and Apple works through its remaining inventory until they officially kill it at the next refresh.


Actually, now that I've typed all that out and said it aloud to myself, this doesn't sound like Apple at all. Apple would just eliminate the ODD and be done with it.

 

[Blu-Ray]

Not if they move their leg out of the way first.

Let's imagine that the pro and non-pro 15" both use the same logic board. So the Ivy Bridge work is only done once.

Apple knows how a small minority of users will howl, at first, about losing Ethernet and the optical disk drive ( "It's not 'pro' enough for me! Apple doesn't make 'pro' hardware anymore! DVDs are so 'pro'!" ).

So give the tiny minority of 'pro' adherents who really want the optical disk drive what they want by making a handful of machines for them based largely on the old design. But focus production on the non-pro variants, which are going to be what almost everyone will buy.

In 3 months time all the 'pro' people realize they actually DIDN'T need an optical disk drive, they sell their 'pro' and buy a new non-pro macbook with the Retina display and the lighter weight. At that point the 'pro' goes out of production in the middle of the refresh cycle and Apple works through its remaining inventory until they officially kill it at the next refresh.

Close... but I think that both 15"s will be branded "Pro" (regardless of the rumors). The two models will be Pro in their own right:

1) new lighter and thinner form factor w/o ODD/ethernet + retina + more RAM ($400 premium price)
2) same form factor w/ ODD/ethernet

Otherwise, I think the internals will be the same with the new Ivy Bridge CPUs and discreet GPU options.

EDIT - Just to add, this isn't what I want but it is what I'm predicting will happen. If I had my way, the newly designed 15" MBP with retina will be $1799. Unfortunately, I very much doubt that we will be that lucky.

 

[Vctr]

Having read all of the speculation ... here is my prediction, which is an amalgamation of all the rumors.

They unveil the "new Macbook". The new Macbook will be the redesigned 15" Retina MBP that we've read about these past few weeks. It'll have a Retina display, be 15", have integrated graphics (no discrete card), no optical drive, and be pretty thin.

The MBA's and MBP's will get spec bumps and retain the same design. All of them will get the new Ivy Bridge processors and the new discrete graphics cards (where applicable). They potentially axe the 17" MBP. Difference between the "new Macbook" and the MBP 15" will be the fact that the MBP will have an optical drive and have dedicated graphics (for "Pro" use, I guess you can say)

I can see this happening for a few reasons. 1) A lot of sites are saying that there might be a new third line of Macbooks introduced ... If that is truly the case, then I believe this 3rd line will be what Apple converges the MBP and MBA line into. 2) This lines up nicely with their "new" naming convention and also keeps the MBP and MBA lines distinctly different (until they converge next year into the new Macbooks). 3) The redesigned 15" retina MBP has been the rumor that has popped up consistently in the past few months ... Not much mention on 13" retina displays. I think the new 15" Macbook will be the standout product and the focal point of the new Macs.

 

[D3nZ]

To think my 2007 MacBook Pro crashed in october. That I've been holding my money to buy a new one and for it to be pushed from october to april to june. I am very happy they will be coming out in the next couple of weeks, if not sooner.

 

[JalenMc]

I just hope I can get a retina 15" with a 750gb HDD for under $2000. I'll be happy then.

 

[Camwin]

This makes negative sense to me. Why would they have the MacBook getting retina, yet the MBP would only get a spec boost. You would think "professionals" would have more need for a retina display, than joe shmoe.

 

[thundersteele]

We're probably three days away from the announcement, and still nothing more than speculations (and possible fake specs) about the features of the new MBPs (or MacBooks, or whatever they are called).

Apple might be playing it safe for once, introducing a new model while keeping the old ones around with only minor upgrades (Ivy Bridge, USB 3, new GPU). But I would be surprised if there really are three 13'' models after WWDC.

 

[CUsurfer]

This makes negative sense to me. Why would they have the MacBook getting retina, yet the MBP would only get a spec boost. You would think "professionals" would have more need for a retina display, than joe shmoe.

Surely you are correct. Either every laptop gets the retina screen or only the Pros do (or none of them do). Joe Schmo could care less whether than have 2880x1800 while they are sitting in Starbucks browsing Facebook.

 

[Liquinn]

Surely you are correct. Either every laptop gets the retina screen or only the Pros do (or none of them do). Joe Schmo could care less whether than have 2880x1800 while they are sitting in Starbucks browsing Facebook.

What do you mean?

 

[koyoot]

This makes negative sense to me. Why would they have the MacBook getting retina, yet the MBP would only get a spec boost. You would think "professionals" would have more need for a retina display, than joe shmoe.

Some of game shops were romored to start offering new Macbook Pros with Ivy Bridge. That could tell the specs of new MBP(Nvidia GT650M-GTX660M possibility). The guy from chineese site that leaked the specs of 13 inch MBP said that slower MBP will get 3615QM i7 quad core processor, and 512 MB graphic card, but he was not able to tell which model or even producer. Faster model will get the 3720QM processor plus 1 GB GPU. Everything, anyway, we will see on monday.

 

[JoshGlzBrk]

Where do you guys stand on whether or not the air will get a screen res bump? I know the "other" ultrabooks coming out have 1080p, and really to me, if the 13" air had 1080p and 8GB ram option (for a reasonable price) I would be all over that.