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Surely you are correct. Either every laptop gets the retina screen or only the Pros do (or none of them do). Joe Schmo could care less whether than have 2880x1800 while they are sitting in Starbucks browsing Facebook.

And to add on to that, if they are doing a redesign for a new "MacBook" 15, which rumored won't have a dGPU, what's the point?

People who actually use dGPU's and high spec processors would like a redesign also.

Yes apple may be transitioning from the professional to the consumer, but does that mean hurt your longest and most loyal subjects?
 
Nobody was talking about this "third line" of Macbooks until one analyst brought it up.

I think Apple would err towards a simpler product line for the Macs, rather than a more complex one.

I think there will be an 11" Air, a 13" Air, a new 15" Pro, and possibly a 17" Pro with the current form factor.

I just don't see the need for another line of computers, except from those who yell loudly about a thinner Pro without Ethernet and DVD drive not really being a "Pro" laptop. I don't think Apple really cares about that.
 
Nobody was talking about this "third line" of Macbooks until one analyst brought it up.

I think Apple would err towards a simpler product line for the Macs, rather than a more complex one.

I think there will be an 11" Air, a 13" Air, a new 15" Pro, and possibly a 17" Pro with the current form factor.

I just don't see the need for another line of computers, except from those who yell loudly about a thinner Pro without Ethernet and DVD drive not really being a "Pro" laptop. I don't think Apple really cares about that.

inclined to agree
 
And to add on to that, if they are doing a redesign for a new "MacBook" 15, which rumored won't have a dGPU, what's the point?

People who actually use dGPU's and high spec processors would like a redesign also.

Yes apple may be transitioning from the professional to the consumer, but does that mean hurt your longest and most loyal subjects?

Who said this supposed new 15" Macbook won't have a dGPU?
According to the Ming-Chi Kuo report, he says the 15" Macbook will have an Nvidia dGPU.

I completely agree that having a 15" Macbook without a dGPU would be fairly illogical unless it was a 15" MBA in which case, it would fit in with all the other MBA's and would also have a slim wedge design with soldered RAM and Blade-style SSD.

But to make a separate line of just "Macbooks", it would definitely require the features of a dedicated GPU and quad-core CPU.
 
The 13" retina macbook coming out according to the Analyst doesn't make sense. He reported it would be the same price as the 13" Air. It would make sense for Apple to do everything he said, but not the 13" 'Macbook'.

He claimed the 13" Macbook would be tapered design, slimmer, no ODD etc and that it would be 1mm thicker than the Air.

Come on, that is almost identical and NO distinguishing features other than retina for the same price?

I think we will see something similar to the Analyst, take out his 13" Macbook and it makes sense:
11" 13" Air - retina display
13" 15" (17"?) - Original Pros with just spec bumps.
15" (analyst macbook) - retina, thinner, no ODD. Called the Macbook or hell, maybe even the hyped up 15" Macbook Air?
 
Who said this supposed new 15" Macbook won't have a dGPU?
According to the Ming-Chi Kuo report, he says the 15" Macbook will have an Nvidia dGPU.

I completely agree that having a 15" Macbook without a dGPU would be fairly illogical unless it was a 15" MBA in which case, it would fit in with all the other MBA's and would also have a slim wedge design with soldered RAM and Blade-style SSD.

But to make a separate line of just "Macbooks", it would definitely require the features of a dedicated GPU and quad-core CPU.

A notebook with a quad core processor at a dedicated GPU without the "Pro" name? I really doubt that.

They've used the Macbook Pro name for the current 13" which has a dual core processor and Intel integrated graphics. They also used it on the 15" model from 2009 that also had integrated graphics. Simply for recognition and marketing I don't see them releasing such a powerful laptop simply calling it the Macbook.
 
A notebook with a quad core processor at a dedicated GPU without the "Pro" name? I really doubt that.

They've used the Macbook Pro name for the current 13" which has a dual core processor and Intel integrated graphics. They also used it on the 15" model from 2009 that also had integrated graphics. Simply for recognition and marketing I don't see them releasing such a powerful laptop simply calling it the Macbook.

Yeah that is valid point. I actually didn't know about the 15" with an iGPU so that's good to know. Well we'll see on monday!! I wonder what crazy rumor will come up on Sunday night/ Monday morning like the haptic feedback rumor just before the New iPad was announced
 
Surely you are correct. Either every laptop gets the retina screen or only the Pros do (or none of them do). Joe Schmo could care less whether than have 2880x1800 while they are sitting in Starbucks browsing Facebook.

I do some of my best work sipping lattes and coding at Sbux! :D

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Where do you guys stand on whether or not the air will get a screen res bump? I know the "other" ultrabooks coming out have 1080p, and really to me, if the 13" air had 1080p and 8GB ram option (for a reasonable price) I would be all over that.

Personally I think it's almost a given. I think Apple wants to make their laptops thinner and lighter, and the MBA is at the leading edge of that strategy. I can't imagine that they wouldn't bring retina resolutions to it, provided they can manage the battery life.
 
yet the MBP would only get a spec boost. You would think "professionals" would have more need for a retina display, than joe shmoe.

Why does everyone assume that 'Pro' means 'notebook for professionals' and this line must therefore have dedicated GPUs and whatever else (such as retina displays). I think the Pro just stands to say that this is their top line in terms of specifications. The Pro line isn't meant to be 'only for professionals' because professionals can also use notebooks like the Air (which is superior, for example, in its thickness).

Let's say that Apple decides their Air line will focus on beauty and their Pro line will focus on speed. The beautiful line will get the thin body and beautiful display, while the Pro line will get the fastest components. Consumers can then pick between the two (or three).

I feel like people on here are too caught up in 'Pro is only for professionals...the 13" can't be called Pro....etc." It's just a title for the line of products...
 
A notebook with a quad core processor at a dedicated GPU without the "Pro" name? I really doubt that.

They've used the Macbook Pro name for the current 13" which has a dual core processor and Intel integrated graphics. They also used it on the 15" model from 2009 that also had integrated graphics. Simply for recognition and marketing I don't see them releasing such a powerful laptop simply calling it the Macbook.

Unless this is the first step to retiring the 'Pro' nomenclature.

I actually think that Apple is eventually moving to a line where everything is a macbook air, but is just called 'Macbook'.

11" gets dual core ULV, 13" gets either dual core ULV or dual core mainstream with dGPU, and 15" gets quad core with dGPU. And every one of them will look more or less like the MBA does today.
 
inclined to agree

I agree with everything except the 17in pro. As everyone seems to be saying, 2% of sales is not enough to keep apple from discontinuing it. The 13in pro is a very popular machine so I can not see apple scrapping it by merging it with the air.
 
Why does everyone assume that 'Pro' means 'notebook for professionals' and this line must therefore have dedicated GPUs and whatever else (such as retina displays). I think the Pro just stands to say that this is their top line in terms of specifications. The Pro line isn't meant to be 'only for professionals' because professionals can also use notebooks like the Air (which is superior, for example, in its thickness).

Let's say that Apple decides their Air line will focus on beauty and their Pro line will focus on speed. The beautiful line will get the thin body and beautiful display, while the Pro line will get the fastest components. Consumers can then pick between the two (or three).

I feel like people on here are too caught up in 'Pro is only for professionals...the 13" can't be called Pro....etc." It's just a title for the line of products...

So you're saying we must make a choice between a overall better computer, or a pretty computer? I know I for one, need enter specs and would love a better display. Most who need the more power also need better resolution.
 
A bit off topic but do you guys think they'll announce the back to school promotion on Monday as well? From what I understand, in the past they've announced it during the last week of May or the first week of June.
 
A bit off topic but do you guys think they'll announce the back to school promotion on Monday as well? From what I understand, in the past they've announced it during the last week of May or the first week of June.

I would be shocked (and very disappointed) if they didn't. They typically announce it around this time and with such a large hardware upgrade expected, it would only make sense to announce the back-to-school deals to get people purchasing new devices right away.
 
2.5 days!!!

I can't wait to see, obviously not first hand, what WWDC '12 brings. I plan on parting on whatever money it costs to buy this new MBP. In regards to all of these recent rumors, well all of them except maybe the bloomberg, I would be happy with whatever apple does. I need a new laptop and that's that.
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A bit off topic but do you guys think they'll announce the back to school promotion on Monday as well? From what I understand, in the past they've announced it during the last week of May or the first week of June.

heres hoping its not a $100 gift card again. You could just buy it from an online retailer and save that money from tax.
 
Unless this is the first step to retiring the 'Pro' nomenclature.

I actually think that Apple is eventually moving to a line where everything is a macbook air, but is just called 'Macbook'.

11" gets dual core ULV, 13" gets either dual core ULV or dual core mainstream with dGPU, and 15" gets quad core with dGPU. And every one of them will look more or less like the MBA does today.

I may be wrong but I think Apple would be more inclined to call the whole line "Macbook Pro" instead of "Macbook". "Macbook Pro" is a long established brand for their top of the line notebooks, just like "Thinkpad" was for IBM and now Lenovo.

I also don't think that Apple cares whether people on forums get upset because they called a notebook a Macbook Pro and it doesn't have X feature that "real Pros need".
 
I may be wrong but I think Apple would be more inclined to call the whole line "Macbook Pro" instead of "Macbook". "Macbook Pro" is a long established brand for their top of the line notebooks, just like "Thinkpad" was for IBM and now Lenovo.

I also don't think that Apple cares whether people on forums get upset because they called a notebook a Macbook Pro and it doesn't have X feature that "real Pros need".

I believe PowerBook was the long established brand name they they re-named overnight.
 
No good talking about it now. Let's just wait till monday eh? Unless there's a leak beforehand of course.
 
I'm scared guys. I'm hoping the MacBook Pro line loses the optical drive and slims down. (just like the older rumors)

I really don't want there to be MacBooks, MacBook Airs, and the now legacy MacBook Pros.

I'm afraid going this route will give them the option of raising the price on the new slimmed down models.

If the entire MacBook Pro line just slims down, they'll probably keep the same processor and gpus with similar tdp's to the current units.

If they create a new notebook line, I'm afraid they will keep the same cpu's but may skimp on the gpu. Worst case, they could only have integrated gpus.
 
I may be wrong but I think Apple would be more inclined to call the whole line "Macbook Pro" instead of "Macbook". "Macbook Pro" is a long established brand for their top of the line notebooks, just like "Thinkpad" was for IBM and now Lenovo.

PowerBook: 1991 - 2006
Macbook Pro: 2006 - now
ThinkPad: 1992 - now
 
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