How awesome would it be if at WWDC, when showing Mountain Lion, they say something like, "So now we want to show you what we believe is one of the best features of Mountain Lion, but in order to really let you see how great it is, we're going to have to bring out some new hardware..." and then they bring out the new MBP's with "Retina" display for the HiDPI setting of Mountain Lion?
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2012 Macbook Pro Redesign
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Not very awesome, since I want it sooner than that. Also the HiDPI setting is in Lion.
I feel like they slipped it in there so people could use the iPad as a secondary display. I too want to buy a new MBP ASAP, but I could actually see WWDC being a logical venue to unveil a new MBP design and showcase the first personal computer with retina display technology. It pains me to say it, as I'm chomping at the bit, but it wouldn't be too surprising. That and if they can wait a month and release the 15" and 13" together, that seems to make more sense than rushing one out first.
They slipped in a HiDPI mode just so you could use a 10 inch screen, which is smaller than any Mac screen, as a secondary display through a third party app? That seems very unlikely. I'd be more willing to accept that they faced delays.I feel like they slipped it in there so people could use the iPad as a secondary display. I too want to buy a new MBP ASAP, but I could actually see WWDC being a logical venue to unveil a new MBP design and showcase the first personal computer with retina display technology. It pains me to say it, as I'm chomping at the bit, but it wouldn't be too surprising. That and if they can wait a month and release the 15" and 13" together, that seems to make more sense than rushing one out first.
Well, I'm not sure if you're just arguing semantics or the verb I chose, but considering the iPad is the only device that can currently use it, I don't think the fact that they implemented it when they did so people could use it with the iPad is debatable.
Again, I want them to come out right away too, and I realize that 99% of the comments in this thread involve people masquerading their own personal desired outcome as the most logical, but my only contention is that I think releasing them at WWDC is within the realm of possibility and would make sense. I mean, I'd love to blather on with the usual "I STILL USE MY OD DRIVE SO OF COURSE IT'S LOGICAL THAT APPLE WILL KEEP THEM, DUMMY!", but at some point we need to be open to a smidgen of objectivity.
The iPhone has had retina technology for a while. The iPad recently acquired it and was trotted out via a key note. IF they're going to bring it to the mac realm, I think it's worthy of an event, considering it would be the first actual computer to implement anything like it. Having said that, WWDC is a logical venue. Yet again.... I hope it comes out tomorrow. Just sayin'
Again, I want them to come out right away too, and I realize that 99% of the comments in this thread involve people masquerading their own personal desired outcome as the most logical, but my only contention is that I think releasing them at WWDC is within the realm of possibility and would make sense. I mean, I'd love to blather on with the usual "I STILL USE MY OD DRIVE SO OF COURSE IT'S LOGICAL THAT APPLE WILL KEEP THEM, DUMMY!", but at some point we need to be open to a smidgen of objectivity.
The iPhone has had retina technology for a while. The iPad recently acquired it and was trotted out via a key note. IF they're going to bring it to the mac realm, I think it's worthy of an event, considering it would be the first actual computer to implement anything like it. Having said that, WWDC is a logical venue. Yet again.... I hope it comes out tomorrow. Just sayin'
It is clearly debatable. Apple could have easily came out with its own app to use the iPad as a secondary display and they didn't. They've never even advertised the HiDPI feature. If Apple went through all the work of implementing the feature in OS X JUST for the iPad, which doesn't even run OS X, it would be asinine for them not to market it.
Agreed. They put the mode in for a reason, and its not for the iPad! I'm 99% sure that by 2012 ends, there will be retina macs. But Im pretty sure it will be before ML, because why else would Lion support Retina? Not for the iPad
I really don't see retina resolutions happening on this Mac refresh. Doubling those resolutions would be insanity. I think the more realistic view is that Apple might make the base resolution on the 13" and 15" 1920x1080 and the 17" to something x 1440. I think we are still a year or so away from doubling current resolutions. That's a lot of pixels to push on 13", 15", 17", 21", and 27" screens.
I'm arguing the exact opposite of you. They did not put a HiDPI mode in Lion for the iPad. They put it in there for Macs. Now, to be clear, if no Macs come out in time to use the feature it is probably because of delays.
Intel says they're coming in 2013. Sharp says they're manufacturing them now. Tim Cook says there's more exciting things coming in 2012.
I think Apple will introduce them first if they possibly can. How can they introduce new, premium price PCs that have lower resolution than their $500 tablet?
Perhaps you're right. Just seems odd that they'd implement it a month before ivy bridge processors are available. If the iPad's ability to take advantage of it wasn't a consideration at all, you'd think might have waited to implement the feature into the OS until a time that was closer to at least the release of the processors they'd be using. I get the argument about them not wanting to advertise it, but I think that's more or less to make it a bit more triumphant when and if they trot out macs with the technology.
Just to try and get some aspects of your assertions verified, you're saying that HiDPI mode in Lion is a guarantee that new Macs will have retina displays, and that if they wait til WWDC to release them, it will only be because of some sort of manufacturing delays, and not because it would make sense otherwise? Just want to clear some things up so we can make some progress in our healthy discussion.
They started implementing it last year. It wasn't a new addition a month ago. Note that the following article is right after Lion released:https://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/25/os-x-lions-hidpi-modes-lay-groundwork-for-retina-monitors/As to your second point, yes.
Edit: Even in Beta last year: https://www.macrumors.com/2011/02/24/mac-os-x-lion-building-in-support-for-super-high-resolution-retina-monitors/
You've perfected the art of the constantly moving target argumentation strategy. I like it.
Apple is implementing retina support for Lion for a reason. As Mountain Lion will ship in a few months, I expect Apple to release a retina Mac before that. Otherwise, all this work on retina support for Lion would be, well, useless. It is possible that Apple experiences delays and that, for such a reason, it will not release a retina Mac before Mountain Lion. However, I don't find it very likely. Apple was able to deliver the new iPad with the retina display on time (in March 2012, one year after the release of the iPad 2). And, although manufacturers are reportedly experiencing problems with the delivery of retina displays for the new iPad, Apple is already releasing it in several countries. As iPads are expected to sell in much larger numbers than Macs, I don't think the production of retina displays would be a major problem that would delay the release of a retina Mac.
sorry to bring this comment up from several pages back but i was just catching up on some reading.
i just thought it was funny...
have any of you people who have the same thoughts as this person actually ventured out and purchased/tried out any windows laptops at all lately....i have bought (for my parents because they didnt want a mac) 5 different high end windows laptops in this past month (not including the dumb dells i tried out first)....and have returned all of them because they are all like cheap crappy toys...and now i have switched them to apple because they thought the same thing every time they got to try one of the PCs i brought them.
so please, people, there is nothing in NEED of a redesign when they are still years and years beyond anything else out there right now...
and if you edit photos, your first mistake was the glossy screen...i had a matte, then went to glossy, now i only edit on my matte external display and will get my next macbook pro in matte (if its still offered). i would say thats more of your problem for purchasing a glossy vs. the glossy being the problem. i never had an issue with calibrating and editing on the mattes.
I am in desperate need for a new laptop. I have a 2007 white MacBook and its performance is quickly spiraling to a point where I'm surprised when things actually do open and work. I have all my limbs crossed that the new redesign is announced next week! I wish Apple would give consumers some information regarding a more accurate announcement date.
I agree on the WWDC launch as well. Since Apple still hasn't sent out invites to a product launch event, you can almost completely rule out an April launch if it is a "Revolutionary New Design" and not just a spec bump.
Also, and this is where opinion comes in, you can probably rule out May as a launch month in that it is too close to WWDC to justify promoting two big events in the same quarter and only a few weeks apart... again just from a PR perspective.
Second, in that Apple usually keeps its promises when specifying a launch season for a product, Mountain Lion will debut in the "Summer". This would give them a window of June 20th to September 21st to release Mountain Lion and would align greatly with an announcement at WWDC and a week to start shipping new units pre-loaded with Mountain Lion. All of these rest on the new laurels that Apple has switched to a fall season for mobile updates instead of summer launches.
To play devils advocate, Apple has released hardware before major OS updates with special builds of the current OS to comply with newly introduced features... But if the HiDPI feature will be heavily used it would seem illogical to take the time and effort to create a special build and again would point to a WWDC launch time frame.
Also, and this is where opinion comes in, you can probably rule out May as a launch month in that it is too close to WWDC to justify promoting two big events in the same quarter and only a few weeks apart... again just from a PR perspective.
Second, in that Apple usually keeps its promises when specifying a launch season for a product, Mountain Lion will debut in the "Summer". This would give them a window of June 20th to September 21st to release Mountain Lion and would align greatly with an announcement at WWDC and a week to start shipping new units pre-loaded with Mountain Lion. All of these rest on the new laurels that Apple has switched to a fall season for mobile updates instead of summer launches.
To play devils advocate, Apple has released hardware before major OS updates with special builds of the current OS to comply with newly introduced features... But if the HiDPI feature will be heavily used it would seem illogical to take the time and effort to create a special build and again would point to a WWDC launch time frame.
true, but they need time to update their line once they get the chips... don't think they need quite that long though haha