HAS to be larger battery.
I see it as MBP w/ larger battery and (POSSIBLY) retina display.
MBA keeps it's current form and just do incremental upgrade.(well to IVY bridge and hopefully to 8 gig memory increase).
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2012 Macbook Pro Redesign
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HAS to be larger battery.
I see it as MBP w/ larger battery and (POSSIBLY) retina display.
MBA keeps it's current form and just do incremental upgrade.(well to IVY bridge and hopefully to 8 gig memory increase).
I would dare say even further:
iMac:
Ivy Bridge processors which will probably replace the Sandy Bridge ones found in the current iMac are out. The iMacs will possibly be equipped with Core i5-3470S (or i5-3550S), i5-3570S (with an option to i7-3770S) and i5-3570 (with an option to i7-3770).
The AMD 7000M series of video cards is also out, and these are supposed to equip the new iMacs. These video cards are not yet able to support a resolution of 5120x2880 (which would be HiDPI for the 2560x1440 screen of the 27" iMac), so probably we will not see retina iMacs this year.
With the processors and video cards already out, and almost a full year since the last iMac update, there is no reason why the iMac shouldn't get an update in May.
I don't expect the iMac to get a redesign this year. The iMac was redesigned in 2009 and no other all-in-one is capable of matching it yet. In addition, the MacBook Pro was redesigned in 2008 and will probably be redesigned again before the iMac. I would, however, expect a redesigned, retina iMac for 2013.
OS X Mountain Lion:
WWDC is going to happen in June. I expect OS X Mountain Lion to be announced with several features including HiDPI (Apple has not yet mentioned it, although it is present in the developer preview).
However, I expect Mountain Lion to be released in July/August. Apple announced it for late Summer, and June is not late Summer.
MacBook Pro:
Apple is going to need hardware with a retina display in order to showcase the HiDPI capabilities of Mountain Lion. A laptop capable of displaying high resolution graphics should be in the cards for this.
The MacBook Pro has not received a redesign in more than 3 years. It still looks great, but Apple could do better. So it may be time for a refresh.
Talks of a merge between the MacBook Pro and the MacBook Air have come up in the last few months. This is a possibility, but I would not count on it. Apple has traditionally kept two lines of notebooks and I am really curious whether it will scrap its tradition and merge the two of them or if it will keep them as separate products.
In either way, Apple is probably going to make the MacBook Pro thinner and lighter. Sony released a redesigned 13" Vaio Z series in 2011 with a 35W dual-core Core i7 processor and which is even lighter than a 11" MacBook Air. If Sony can do it, why can't Apple do any better?
A retina display shall come to this redesigned MacBook Pro. Apple has released a US$ 499 iPad with an IPS display capable of a much higher resolution than the top-of-line MacBook Pro. And the Galaxy Nexus, which is currently selling at Amazon.com for US$ 430 (unlocked) has a resolution of 1280x720, almost matching that of the US$ 1199 13" MacBook Pro. And the MacBook Pros still have a cheap TN display instead of IPS displays that equip the iPad, the iPhone and the iMac. Apple may be currently facing constraints in the supply of retina displays for the iPad, but this issue shall be solved soon with more suppliers joining Samsung. And, as iPads sell three times as much as Macs, the demand for MacBook Pros screen is much lower than for iPad screens. Supply should not be an issue. Seems that the time is up for an upgrade.
I would expect the retina MacBook Pro to be released during the WWDC. Apple will showcase Mountain Lion on its MacBook Pro, but will release it later. The retina MacBook Pros will ship with OS X Lion with HiDPI mode on (why else would Lion support it?) and will later receive the upgrade to Mountain Lion.
Doesn't it make sense?
Don't forget that Lion already has HiDPI support. It has been there in 10.7.0 and Apple has also tweaked it in the subsequent minor releases.
IMHO there is no need to wait until Mountain Lion is released.
However, I could image them waiting until WWDC with the release. It's only a few weeks away and they could use the event to give developers a hand in supporting HiDPI modes in their software.
Yes, I know that. However, I expect Apple to release retina laptops in a media event. Apple doesn't need to wait for Mountain Lion. I would say that Apple releases the MacBook Pro with retina display at the WWDC and showcases Mountain Lion with support for retina during the event. People would look amazed at ML running HiDPI mode in the new MacBook Pro. However, I also expect Mountain Lion to ship in July/August. The redesigned MacBook Pros would ship immediately with retina support enabled on Lion.
Okay; what makes you say that?
Well, i'm guessing it would be because in June there is the WWDC, where it would make sense for it to be announced.
You have already waited so long for the refresh, waiting another month or two will be well worth it. You won't have buyers remorse
.I too have been waiting for several months, but i'm absolutely positive that the 2012 version will be worth the wait.
A quick question to finalize my decision on whether or not to buy the 15" now or wait for the 2012 version.
I understand everything has been speculation thus far, but on a scale of 1-10, with 1 being unrealistic and 10 being realistic and likely to appear on the new redesign, which speculations rank what?
For example, I heard that USB 3.0 is something that comes standard on the Ivy Bridge, so I imagine USB 3.0 to be a 10 on the scale. Retina display, however, seems to be iffy because I've seen arguments on both sides so I'd rank that a mere 4 or 5. On the other hand, it seems every one can unanimously agree that the ODD is going way (a 9), thus making the next MBP thinner (a 9).
I'm actually typing this on a 2011 15" MBP at Best Buy right now and I'm surprised how thin it is, even with the ODD so it really makes me wonder where the line between the Air and MBP will be if the rumors are true and the MBP really is getting thinner.
I understand everything has been speculation thus far, but on a scale of 1-10, with 1 being unrealistic and 10 being realistic and likely to appear on the new redesign, which speculations rank what?
For example, I heard that USB 3.0 is something that comes standard on the Ivy Bridge, so I imagine USB 3.0 to be a 10 on the scale. Retina display, however, seems to be iffy because I've seen arguments on both sides so I'd rank that a mere 4 or 5. On the other hand, it seems every one can unanimously agree that the ODD is going way (a 9), thus making the next MBP thinner (a 9).
I'm actually typing this on a 2011 15" MBP at Best Buy right now and I'm surprised how thin it is, even with the ODD so it really makes me wonder where the line between the Air and MBP will be if the rumors are true and the MBP really is getting thinner.
It isn't the ODD that is causing the current thickness, its the ethernet slot. To be fair I don't see an issue with the current thickness of the MBP, if anything, the screen is a little thick, but that is all.
Id say the ODD going is not 9 on a scale of 1-10... Id say most things are rather clouded, but as you say, USB should be on there, would be kinda weird if it wasnt.
A part of me also wants to just buy the damn 2011 version if it hasnt been released when Diablo comes, but, most of me believes the upgrades will be yummy and only a very small part of me believes they will F up their next 15" Pro so badly that I shouldnt have waited...
A part of me also wants to just buy the damn 2011 version if it hasnt been released when Diablo comes, but, most of me believes the upgrades will be yummy and only a very small part of me believes they will F up their next 15" Pro so badly that I shouldnt have waited...
If the updated Macbooks aren't up to your liking just pick up a refurb at a reduced price. It's a win win.
Hearing WWDC now from my distributor friend. Got pushed back because of some new stuff from Intel. The quad Ivy Bridge is already out but the dual isn't, so I assume this implies that a staggered release of the 15" and 13" is now unlikely.
So I guess June it is and I'll be doing work on my crappy dell or at the university during computer lab hours. And I do my best work at night.
So I guess June it is and I'll be doing work on my crappy dell or at the university during computer lab hours. And I do my best work at night.
13 inch model...
Been a little while since I've posted and wanted to get the latest input since things have been changing back and forth. I have a growing fear that the 13 inch is not going to be what I need now. I can only afford the 13 inch and are willing to sacrifice the processor's core difference but now I'm afraid there might be more disadvantages? With using it for high end media work I just hope it will still fulfill my needs, so heres to wishing the only difference is size and cores! Maybe even the speculation of the same processor across the board will happen but I'm not holding my breath LOL
Been a little while since I've posted and wanted to get the latest input since things have been changing back and forth. I have a growing fear that the 13 inch is not going to be what I need now. I can only afford the 13 inch and are willing to sacrifice the processor's core difference but now I'm afraid there might be more disadvantages? With using it for high end media work I just hope it will still fulfill my needs, so heres to wishing the only difference is size and cores! Maybe even the speculation of the same processor across the board will happen but I'm not holding my breath LOL
Been a little while since I've posted and wanted to get the latest input since things have been changing back and forth. I have a growing fear that the 13 inch is not going to be what I need now. I can only afford the 13 inch and are willing to sacrifice the processor's core difference but now I'm afraid there might be more disadvantages? With using it for high end media work I just hope it will still fulfill my needs, so heres to wishing the only difference is size and cores! Maybe even the speculation of the same processor across the board will happen but I'm not holding my breath LOL
Like others have said, if the new one isn't suitable you will still be able to find the old one.
Yeah thanks but sucks to have to do that when you've been waiting on an upgrade since 07 or 08, would like it to be a radical change... I know thats what others are saying to do but I want their opinion since all the different speculation that we have heard has kinda died down now. To make it clearer, since apparently I'm not going to get the feedback I should, I am wanting input on the latest thoughts on what everyone sees the 13 inch model having now.
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I'm afraid that Apple is going to cut all the specs in half, through in Pentium 4 processors, and switch the prices of the 13" and the 17" so that you have to pay more for portability, otherwise be forced to lug around the 17". Gee golly I hope I'm wrong
Been waiting since the February 2011 refresh, back when I decided to save and buy my first Mac, waiting for 2012. I'm still waiting, and would like to know if this is possible:
15-inch redesign with Quad core Ivy Bridge, Retina, SSD storage on motherboard, no Ethernet or ODD, bigger battery, better graphics, no heating issues.
For storage, would SSD's slim down the profile as well??
For the graphics, which is more likely to be chosen between and AMD or Nvidia? Which one would support HiDPI?
15-inch redesign with Quad core Ivy Bridge, Retina, SSD storage on motherboard, no Ethernet or ODD, bigger battery, better graphics, no heating issues.
For storage, would SSD's slim down the profile as well??
For the graphics, which is more likely to be chosen between and AMD or Nvidia? Which one would support HiDPI?
My thoughts on this, being 10 the most realistic and likely and 1 being unrealistic for the new MacBook Pro:
- June release: 8. We will have 230-250 days since the last release, which is just a little below the average time for a new one to come up (the average is 267 days). May be even later, but June seems to be the right shot.
- Redesign: 7. The MacBook Pro hasn't got a redesign for over 3 years now. It's about time for a redesign. If not now, then when?
- Merge between MacBook Pro and MacBook Air: 3. Is it a toaster-refrigerator? Would Apple have to drop the dedicated video card if it chose to go that route? A little risky. And unlikely to happen, although not impossible either.
- Thinner MBP: 6. If the MBP gets a redesign, it will probably get thinner and lighter.
- Ivy Bridge: 10. Of course Apple is going that way. Unless it has a good reason not to... and I don't see any.
- USB 3.0: 10. Comes with Ivy Bridge.
- Quad-core on all models: 2. Probably not. Apple is going to keep a dual-core in the lower-end.
- 4 GB RAM: 8. Probably all models will get 4 GB RAM. 8 GB would be a little too high. Not impossible, though.
- Dedicated video card on all models: 1. Not going to happen. The lower-end will get an Intel video card.
- AMD 7000M series on higher-end models: 8. Probably. Unless Apple choses NVIDIA. But I think it's going AMD this time again, since it seems to have better support for retina displays.
- Retina display: 7. I can't see a reason why Apple would not put a retina display on the MBP. It's supported by the hardware (the Ivy Bridge and the AMD 7000M series) and by the software (both OS X Lion and Mountain Lion). It is technologically possible and much cheaper than it used to be (Apple put it inside a US$ 499 iPad). And if Apple does not put a retina display on the MBP now, somebody else may launch a retina laptop before it when Windows 8 comes out in October (and Apple will not have time to update the MBP again before October - it will probably only update it again next year).
- IPS display: 6. Possibly. The iPhone has it, the iPad has it, the iMac has it. Only the laptops don't. It's about time!
- SSD instead of HDD: 4. Possibly, but a trade-off if it happens.
- ODD dropped: 5. If the MBP is redesigned and gets thinner, the ODD may be dropped.
-15 Inch Redesign: Possible
-Quad Core with Ivy Bridge: 100%
-Retina: Unlikely
-SSD Storage on Motherboard: That's MacBook Air (hope not for Pro)
-No Ethernet: Not a change, that's an Air feature
-No ODD: Possible
-Bigger Battery: Possible
-Better Graphics: Likely
-AMD/NVIDIA: 50-50, I hope NVIDIA, just personal preference
-Lion supports HiDPI, so all we need is the retina display
I went through the macrumors archives and checked the rumor situation before the previous three updates.
1. Supply constraints are reported up to a month before the actual launch from resellers. Closer (1-2 weeks) to the actual launch the Apple store shows some signs, e.g. increased shipping estimates.
2. New part numbers emerge a few days (up to 10) before the launch, typically from resellers, but sometimes also from some Apple store somewhere around the world. This seems to be a very solid indicator of an imminent launch.
3. The actual specs of the new models don't surface until a few days before the launch, sometimes only hours before the new products become available. Everything before that is speculation.
Current status:
1. Some supply constraints have been reported, but in most cases MBPs have re-appeared in stock. No evidence for constraints in Apple stores.
2. Nothing.
3. Ivy Bridge is given, everything else is speculation
I would say it's unlikely that new models will be announced next week, due to the lack of concrete rumors. Beyond that I don't have much to say.
1. Supply constraints are reported up to a month before the actual launch from resellers. Closer (1-2 weeks) to the actual launch the Apple store shows some signs, e.g. increased shipping estimates.
2. New part numbers emerge a few days (up to 10) before the launch, typically from resellers, but sometimes also from some Apple store somewhere around the world. This seems to be a very solid indicator of an imminent launch.
3. The actual specs of the new models don't surface until a few days before the launch, sometimes only hours before the new products become available. Everything before that is speculation.
Current status:
1. Some supply constraints have been reported, but in most cases MBPs have re-appeared in stock. No evidence for constraints in Apple stores.
2. Nothing.
3. Ivy Bridge is given, everything else is speculation
I would say it's unlikely that new models will be announced next week, due to the lack of concrete rumors. Beyond that I don't have much to say.