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2012 Macbook Pro Redesign
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The new quad core has the same power draw as the current (now out-dated) dual core chip?
I think that the new Macbook Pros are going to be released when the Dual Core Ivy Bridge processors are released ..
The reason for that is that I don't think that Apple will put Quad-core processors on their 13'' models, so I believe that they are waiting for the Dual Core IB to refresh their entire line-up ..
It would have been strange in my opinion to release the 15'' models now and leave the 13'' the same for another month ..
So, if I'm not mistaken the Dual Core IB will get released on June 3rd, according to some rumors that were floating around .. June 3rd is a Sunday, so I'm going to bet on June 5th for the new MBPs .. It's a Tuesday and it's also a week before the WWDC
The reason for that is that I don't think that Apple will put Quad-core processors on their 13'' models, so I believe that they are waiting for the Dual Core IB to refresh their entire line-up ..
It would have been strange in my opinion to release the 15'' models now and leave the 13'' the same for another month ..
So, if I'm not mistaken the Dual Core IB will get released on June 3rd, according to some rumors that were floating around .. June 3rd is a Sunday, so I'm going to bet on June 5th for the new MBPs .. It's a Tuesday and it's also a week before the WWDC
I think that the new Macbook Pros are going to be released when the Dual Core Ivy Bridge processors are released ..
The reason for that is that I don't think that Apple will put Quad-core processors on their 13'' models, so I believe that they are waiting for the Dual Core IB to refresh their entire line-up ..
It would have been strange in my opinion to release the 15'' models now and leave the 13'' the same for another month ..
So, if I'm not mistaken the Dual Core IB will get released on June 3rd, according to some rumors that were floating around .. June 3rd is a Sunday, so I'm going to bet on June 5th for the new MBPs .. It's a Tuesday and it's also a week before the WWDC
What's the point in releasing it one week before WWDC?
not that I agree entirely with @nick...but in my view, releasing before (however long) the WWDC means the hardware doesn't steal the thunder of the software. And also, allows the Apple to have two bites of the cherry with advertising / media news / back to school campaign
Couldn't you argue that for any time before WWDC? Is it that impossible to release everything quad core? When does the potential quad core for the 13 come out?
I'm merely speculating mate
Nothing is impossible of course .. I just have a feeling that the 13'' models will have the Dual Core IB processors which are going to be released in June .. I might be wrong here but I think that the Quad-Core processors for the 13'' models were released on the 29th of April ..
I'm merely speculating mate
I might be wrong here but I think that the Quad-Core processors for the 13'' models were released on the 29th of April ..
They can release the 15" MBP with the new quad right? And maby later they can release the 13" with dual.. Soemthing like that
The release date of new MacBook Pros will be determined by the answers to the following questions:
1. Will Apple redesign the MacBook Pro line with a thinner form factor, similar to the current MacBook Airs? If the answer is yes, a thinner 13" MacBook Pro would cannibalize sales of the 13" MacBook Air as they would be nearly identical and Apple would likely combine the 13" Pros and 13" Airs into a single line. This is our best scenario because it would mean thinner 15" and 17" MacBook Pros likely being released in May.
2. If the answer to the above question is no, the MacBook Pros won't get a redesign, then will the 13" MacBook Pro have a quad-core or a dual-core processor? If it gets a quad-core, then there is no reason for Apple to hold up the release of new MacBook Pros.
3. If the answer to the above question is dual-core, then will Apple release 15" and 17" MacBook Pros before releasing 13" MacBook Pros? Probably not and we'll be waiting until WWDC for the release of all MacBook Pros.
1. Will Apple redesign the MacBook Pro line with a thinner form factor, similar to the current MacBook Airs? If the answer is yes, a thinner 13" MacBook Pro would cannibalize sales of the 13" MacBook Air as they would be nearly identical and Apple would likely combine the 13" Pros and 13" Airs into a single line. This is our best scenario because it would mean thinner 15" and 17" MacBook Pros likely being released in May.
2. If the answer to the above question is no, the MacBook Pros won't get a redesign, then will the 13" MacBook Pro have a quad-core or a dual-core processor? If it gets a quad-core, then there is no reason for Apple to hold up the release of new MacBook Pros.
3. If the answer to the above question is dual-core, then will Apple release 15" and 17" MacBook Pros before releasing 13" MacBook Pros? Probably not and we'll be waiting until WWDC for the release of all MacBook Pros.
I'm merely speculating mate
I might be wrong here but I think that the Quad-Core processors for the 13'' models were released on the 29th of April ..
Why should the 13" get a quad-core processor? It's not necessarily faster. The Ivy Bridge quad-core with 35W TDP runs at 2.1 GHz with all cores enabled. The Ivy Bridge dual-cores (with the same TDP) will run at 2.9 GHz (the higher end model).
The quad-core processor is faster. It's simple math:
Dual: 2.9 GHz x 2 cores = 5.8 million calculations/second
Quad: 2.1 GHz x 4 cores = 8.4 million calculations/second
I can say one thing regarding the 13", and that is if Apple decides it is not worthy of a quad core to make it more distinguished and a real actual bump from the air, I sure am glad that Im going for the 15" and not the 13", I want a capable machine that lasts many years, Im not however looking for a machine that is as thick as a Pro but hardly outperforms the Air... Maybe its a bit harsh but I stand by it.
http://9to5mac.com/2012/04/30/ivy-bridge-processors-and-motherboards-hit-store-shelves-hackintosh-compatible-with-patch/
I agree with you, but I can definitely notice the difference of my non-HD iSight vs. the newer HD iSight. And even though I rarely use my webcam....I want it.
But then you still need a software that can make use of all four cores at the same time or you have to be multitasking. Usually it's better to go for more cores if you know you will be multitasking a lot, otherwise you'd choose less cores.
Quad core chips are no-brainers in 15" and 17" since these machines are aimed at a bit more professional audience. I can see, however, why would Apple want to offer two options for 13" - entry level laptop with dual core and high-end with quad core. If you look at what more casual users do you will see that there is no way they would ever utilize all four cores, so the dual core option is faster for them.
These MSI machines are ******** beasts. If you look at the 15" model:
- 2.3 GHz Quad Core i7
- GTX670M with 3GB Memory
- 12GB RAM
- Dual HDD in RAID0
I'd love to see similar hardware in new MBPs. Here's my bet on what's to come in 15" MBP:
- i7 3610QM (2.3 GHz) for low end; i7 3720QM (2.6 GHz) with 3820QM (2.7 GHz) BTO option for high end
- 7600M or 7700M graphics chip, probably 1GB for low end machine and 2GB for high end
- Retina display - don't you guys forget that Sharp already began mass-producing these HiDPI displays some time ago, they have to be utilized somwhere
- No ODD
- 8GB RAM as standard; 16GB as BTO; will probably support up to 32GB if 16GB sticks exist
- SSDs as standard, maybe even SSD + HDD combo; disks no longer user-replacable, as in MBA - the built-in SSDs take up less space than the 2.5" ones, which leaves more room for battery
Why I think the retina display will come? Well, first of all, Sharp is already mass-producing these displays, so we probably don't see new MBP models yet because Apple is waiting for the panels. All the other hardware is already there. Intel says that we will see Retina tablets and laptops in 2013, but since the Retina iPad is already here... Also, if there is no ODD it means much more room for the battery that could power the Retina display and GPU (not to forget that Sharp's IGZO displays are much more power-efficient than current displays).
Let me know what you guys think!
http://www.instapaper.com/m?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theverge.com%2F2012%2F4%2F30%2F2987719%2Fivy-bridge-desktop-cpu-availability-pricing
The power isn't an issue as the reasoning behind the current lack of a quad core processor in the 13" is the higher power draw, but with the lower power requirements of the newer Ivy Bridge counterparts, the power draw is lower. So the old dual core processor should draw the same amount of power as the new quad core processor.
The quad cores are definitely faster, by a considerable amount too. As Nielsenius states, the number of calculations is drastically higher on the quad core, even when you consider a lower hertz rate of the quad core. However, with hyperthreading enabled the figures quoted above are 2x higher.
I find it crazy that you find other computer companies already releasing info about their ivy-bridge laptops and nothing from apple yet. I am hoping anyday now.
Add another company to the list
http://m.engadget.com/default/classic/article.do?artUrl=http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/30/alienware-ivy-bridge/&icid=eng_latest_art
http://m.engadget.com/default/classic/article.do?artUrl=http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/30/alienware-ivy-bridge/&icid=eng_latest_art
First of all, lemme congratulate you on a rational set of expectations. I'll be comparing them to mine, for the sake of discussion
Agreed. No one seems to be paying much attention to the average release dates, but instead are sticking to what Digitimes reports. While the Buyer's Guide doesn't take into account the current available chips, I'd say it's usually a reliable source to go by.
Here, I'd go with a 5 or a 6. A redesign is surely possible (specially if it comes out in June, as it'd give good WWDC material), but not the most prement need of this laptop line.
I'd lower that to 1 or 2. On Jobs' bio, a a very logic concept was described. It had to do with simplifying the product lines. It was a 2*2 table, where the lines were Low-end and High-end, and the columns represented either portable or non-portable computer. We can see this alligning perfectly for the mobile lines (MBA vs MBP for basic or pro needs), and also for the desktop lines (Mac Mini vs iMac) if the Mac Pro gets discontinued.
Also, merging the MBP and the MBA is bound to cause too much negative effects on the MBP. We're talking about storage space going down, CPU/GPU power going down, screen quality going down (despite the higher resolution), less number of ports, lack of RAM/drive upgradeability, higher price, soldered interior (meaning that if one thing goes puff, replacement isn't as simple)... all-in-all, the MBA is a terrific machine, but the MBP still has a place as a machine that offers other things.
There was an interesting mock-up made a while ago. It made it overall thinner by making it less curved in the bottom and top, and adding a slight wedge-shape to it. If the ethernet port goes, I'd say this idea is completely possbile.
I also found this less-refined mockup, but the kind of concept would work too. Basically, keep the form factor and lower the curvature of the top and bottom parts.
Ah, I wish USB 3.0 was that simple. While it does make sense they include 3.0, Apple once played an akward move. The first iMacs had native USB 2.0 support, yet Apple still included USB 1.0 only. Why? To boost Firewire 400 usage. (I believe my facts are straight, lemme know if there's any incorrection here, in particular regarding numbers used). Apple could be doing the same to boost up Thunderbolt usage. I wouldn't say it's likely, but it's reason enough for me to drop that USB 3.0 10/10 chance to a 9/10.
Agreed. There is only one quad-core CPU the 13" MBPs could use, and Apple typically likes to provide two CPU options for the 13" tier.
I'd even rise that to 9!
I can see it happen if they took out the ODD. 1/10 chance seems just right though.
No opinion here. I'm not a fan of Nvidia, but Apple has used it before so who knows.
Agreed.
Perhaps 1/10. They are still too expensive for the price they provide.
I so wish so!
Thank you so much for an amazing post, which did not get half the attention it should. Definetly one of the most helpful (if not the most) posts I've read on this topic!
Sounds like some pretty reasonable predictions here. One thing I would add to the discussion is the glass screens.
That mockup above of the MBP with the thinner screen was done by me, with the screen taken straight from the MBA. The glass screens add both weight and thickness, and the glare they show is pretty controversial.
I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the glass screens go away completely next rev in favor of a MBA style aluminum bezel. It's an easy way to lose thickness and weight without sacrificing functionality. There might still be options between glossy and antiglare panels.
Also I think that a retina display is possible but not super likely. High density screens cost significantly more to make at larger sizes, so a 15" retina display is a different beast than a 9.7" one. Also the increased backlight power needed could be significant. Look at how much bigger the iPad's battery got just to power the GPU and backlight required for the retina display while keeping the same battery life.
That mockup above of the MBP with the thinner screen was done by me, with the screen taken straight from the MBA. The glass screens add both weight and thickness, and the glare they show is pretty controversial.
I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the glass screens go away completely next rev in favor of a MBA style aluminum bezel. It's an easy way to lose thickness and weight without sacrificing functionality. There might still be options between glossy and antiglare panels.
Also I think that a retina display is possible but not super likely. High density screens cost significantly more to make at larger sizes, so a 15" retina display is a different beast than a 9.7" one. Also the increased backlight power needed could be significant. Look at how much bigger the iPad's battery got just to power the GPU and backlight required for the retina display while keeping the same battery life.