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Apple should take the Lenovo approach to material upgrades, like reinforcing the aluminum unbodies with magnisium internal roll cages and reinforcing the outer shell too. I am afraid of damaging my unibody with my Thinkpad I feel I can throw it around and it isnt going to get damaged.
 
Apple aren't generous with their memory. I doubt we'll see 8gb RAM as standard for another three or four years yet (at the very least).

Three to four years? That's a lot of time. 8 GB of RAM will be standard before that...
 
I figured it wouldn't. Any idea why they haven't implemented it yet?

Because they want you to buy a seperate dongle :( Just like how you have to buy a external SuperDrive for the MBA. Just like you have to buy a HDMI adapter for the iPad.
 
I figured it wouldn't. Any idea why they haven't implemented it yet?

It takes up too much valuable space. The number of people who want to hook up their MBP via HDMI will be small and for those few they have the thunderbolt port which supports HDMI and audio with an adaptor.


Because they want you to buy a seperate dongle :( Just like how you have to buy a external SuperDrive for the MBA. Just like you have to buy a HDMI adapter for the iPad.

Apple doesn't even make a Thunderbolt HDMI dongle. Do you really think their isn't a CD drive in the Air just because Apple wants to sell you a CD drive? That makes literally no sense whatsoever.
 
Three to four years? That's a lot of time. 8 GB of RAM will be standard before that...

Perhaps it will be - just like 4gb was standard in some Windows machines before Apple adopted it in mid-2010.

I don't think it will be the Apple standard in the next 3 years.

Apple love making people pay up to $300 for memory upgrades. Let's think about it from a corporate POV and not a consumer one. Why would they upgrade the specs to 8gb standard and keep the same price point when they can charge you through the nose for it as an upgrade? They wouldn't.

Software changes, the way people interact with their computers changes - I just don't think it will change enough in the next 3 years to warrant a free bump to 8gb from Apple.
 
It takes up too much valuable space. The number of people who want to hook up their MBP via HDMI will be small and for those few they have the thunderbolt port which supports HDMI and audio with an adaptor.


That sucks. Before I fried my mobo on my last laptop I would stream all of my movies and shows to my TV.
 
A redesign is not necessary, but it may be desirable. If Apple adopts retina displays, it is a great opportunity to revamp the laptop line. An IPS retina screen, for instance, might require a redesign, even if subtle. With the adoption of retina, Apple could opt to change to 16:9 screens instead of 16:10, for instance - it is currently one of a few companies that sell 16:10 laptops and even its iMacs use 16:9.

I personally dislike the 16:9 ratio, I feel the 16:10 one is much more balanced. Also, Apple has never done anything because others have too; Apple has done things because they feel it's an advantage to their products. I'm inclined to believe that Apple will keep its 16.10 ratio, as it works better on laptops IMO; the 16:9 doesn't have as many drawbacks on a desktop. But your argument is certainly a valid one, and one that could be used on the argument of a redesign happening.


True. But Apple could even choose not to adopt Sandy Bridge or to move away from Intel and adopt ARM architecture. Of course all of this is theoretical and very unlikely to happen, but it has happened in the past, in one form or another.

I find it doubtful. ARM has a lot of problems to solve when it comes to upscaling the power, and Haswell seems like a very promising response by Intel to the threat that ARM represents. I don't see this as an impossible move, but I'd still classify it as rather unlikely.


I would bet on AMD. I think Nvidia cards won't support retina resolutions.

I believe they do, but even if they didn't, the Intel HD 4000 which will come with every Ivy Bridge CPU does. As such, whatever supports or not retina display isn't an issue. My bet on AMD comes from shortage of kepler GPUs and overheating-like-a-toaster Nvidia traditions.


Apple will adopt retina Macs, sooner or later. Even Intel has announced they are coming when it unveiled Ivy Bridge. And Apple will rush to be the first one to offer them. If Intel predicts that retina displays are coming to the regular PCs in 2013, and if Windows 8 supporting these displays is to be released in October 2012, Apple should hurry to get these high resolution screens before anybody else does. It has two means to guarantee that: (i) to control supply of such screens (and even the almighty Apple may fail to do that, as Samsung, for instance, is able to produce such screens in-house); or (ii) to release Macs equipped with such screens before Windows 8 launches. I would bet on (ii).

Both are great points. You just made me more anxious because now I believe more on the retina MBPs. :D


Yes, they are expensive. Apple would have to adopt 128 or 256 GB SSDs instead of 500-750 GB HDDs. That would be a considerable trade-off. But Apple may be willing to do that. Of course they are pricey, but Apple has recently bought a company that produces SSDs. We may see some surprises here. But perhaps not this time.

I could see 256GB SSDs being good enough of a trade-off, isntead of 500~750GB HDDs. 128GB SSDs seem a tad low to me.


Sooner or later, they will. Apple is not willing to adopt Blu-ray, and, given this choice, there's no other route to go other than dropping the optical disk drive.

Let's hope sooner than later; I want that external battery juice or extra cooling power!
 
Apple should take the Lenovo approach to material upgrades, like reinforcing the aluminum unbodies with magnisium internal roll cages and reinforcing the outer shell too. I am afraid of damaging my unibody with my Thinkpad I feel I can throw it around and it isnt going to get damaged.

If there's a change in construction it would probably be to a molded Liquidmetal casing. That would also serve to further differentiate between the Air and Pro line.



Another general comment about what components might be in the 13": I don't think that the 13" Pro necessarily has to fit into the same price segment anymore. If the 13" Air is going to be the main consumer laptop model, I could see the 13" Pro becoming a more expensive and powerful machine, more along the lines of other ultraportables like the Vaio Z.
 
Another general comment about what components might be in the 13": I don't think that the 13" Pro necessarily has to fit into the same price segment anymore. If the 13" Air is going to be the main consumer laptop model, I could see the 13" Pro becoming a more expensive and powerful machine, more along the lines of other ultraportables like the Vaio Z.

I'm all in for your suggestion that the 13" Pro becoming powerful. But sad to say, I cannot see it happening unless the Air will get a huge boost in SSD capacity for stock off the shelf models without customers breaking the bank. The main reason why the 13" Pro is Apple's biggest seller is because the average joe's first 2 buying factors are price and capacity. As of now, HD prices are so cheap in comparison to SSD. But I really hope Apple will make a huge gap between the 2 13" Pro models. The low end to be the affordable models to maintain sales and the high end getting beefier processors giving justice to the Pro moniker.
 
I love speculating about new Apple products, but i'm starting to think that the next MBP update will just be a Ivy-Bridge spec bump, heres why;

1. Lack of rumours/part leaks etc..
2. Apple tends to only overhaul the appearance of a product when there have not been major technological advancements in order to keep sales at a steady high. Ivy-Bridge is supposed to be far more powerful and efficient therefore they will coast of the performance of the new chipset as opposed to increasing sales by redesigning the look of the chassis.

Just my two cents
 
I love speculating about new Apple products, but i'm starting to think that the next MBP update will just be a Ivy-Bridge spec bump, heres why;

1. Lack of rumours/part leaks etc..
2. Apple tends to only overhaul the appearance of a product when there have not been major technological advancements in order to keep sales at a steady high. Ivy-Bridge is supposed to be far more powerful and efficient therefore they will coast of the performance of the new chipset as opposed to increasing sales by redesigning the look of the chassis.

Just my two cents
I tend to agree with this sentiment. As other's have stated, the current MacBook Pros are so thin that they can barely accommodate a gigabit ethernet port and the necessary internal components, such as 9.5 mm hard drive. A spec bump would seem just as likely as a total overhaul, to me.
 
Apple should take the Lenovo approach to material upgrades, like reinforcing the aluminum unbodies with magnisium internal roll cages and reinforcing the outer shell too. I am afraid of damaging my unibody with my Thinkpad I feel I can throw it around and it isnt going to get damaged.

Hmm... I feel like I can throw my work ThinkPad (a T520) around too. But that's only because it feels cheaper than my mbp. The ThinkPad needs a magnesium skeleton because without it it would be nothing but plastic and maybe some stamped metal. Why reinforce a solid aluminum body with magnesium when aluminum and magnesium are mostly comparable in strength?
 
Hmm... I feel like I can throw my work ThinkPad (a T520) around too. But that's only because it feels cheaper than my mbp. The ThinkPad needs a magnesium skeleton because without it it would be nothing but plastic and maybe some stamped metal. Why reinforce a solid aluminum body with magnesium when aluminum and magnesium are mostly comparable in strength?

I thought magnesium was like 30% stronger and 30% lighter.
 
I thought magnesium was like 30% stronger and 30% lighter.

Depends on the alloy.

And you wouldn't want to make the whole laptop out of magnesium because it's flammable and forms an ugly oxide on its surface. Adding a magnesium skeleton by using a smaller and thinner aluminum unibody would be more likely to compromise its strength, not improve it, because it isn't one piece any more. I don't see any good compromise that involves magnesium.
 
I love speculating about new Apple products, but i'm starting to think that the next MBP update will just be a Ivy-Bridge spec bump, heres why;

1. Lack of rumours/part leaks etc..
2. Apple tends to only overhaul the appearance of a product when there have not been major technological advancements in order to keep sales at a steady high. Ivy-Bridge is supposed to be far more powerful and efficient therefore they will coast of the performance of the new chipset as opposed to increasing sales by redesigning the look of the chassis.

Just my two cents

The only problem with the second point is that the next major update for Intel's CPU, Haswell, is going to be a much bigger boost from Ivy bridge to haswell than from sandy bridge to ivy bridge.

Remember that Intel uses a Tick-Tock model, tick being the transistor size decrease, and tock being improved architecture for more power and Ivy Bridge was a tick, granted a more powerful tick especially in the GPU department but still a tick. The Tock, which will be Haswell, will be a much bigger improvement. And Haswell, I believe, is supposed to boast a GPU that is 2.5x's better than Ivy Bridge along with a much more powerful CPU increase.

So according to the second point, the MBP's won't get a redesign til after Haswell, which would be Broadwell, the next tick, which is expected in 2014. So then at that point, the MBP unibody design would have been the same for the last 6 years!! I just don't see Apple keeping the same design for their laptop for 6 years straight, no matter how good the design is.

That being said, your first point does seem to legitimately call into question whether we will be seeing a redesign this year.
 
saw this which I thought was interesting...

First Ivy Bridge Ultrabook Laptops to Launch June 5
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent...ridge_ultrabook_laptops_to_launch_june_5.html

It says June 5th (Tuesday), I wonder if the new macbooks would be launched that day also if nothing gets released beforehand to steal the thunder from "windows" products.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent...ridge_ultrabook_laptops_to_launch_june_5.html


..Looks like early June is the most likely time for the Airs to get updated!

Happy month of May comrades. Airs won't launch until late July at the earliest.
 
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