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..Looks like early June is the most likely time for the Airs to get updated. Not sure what this means for the MBPs and the 13" specifically but thought I would share as it shows when we can expect the dual-core ivy bridge cpus. I(We?) can only hope Apple gets them early or at least in time to release on or around this launch window.

June 5th also happens to be a Tuesday!
 
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It should be no surprise the Airs won't be refreshed until July/August. Just like last year, the Airs and Minis will be refreshed alongside the release of Mountain Lion.

I just hope we see the Pros and iMacs refreshed together this month, not waiting until WWDC in June.
 
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent...ridge_ultrabook_laptops_to_launch_june_5.html


..Looks like early June is the most likely time for the Airs to get updated. Not sure what this means for the MBPs and the 13" specifically but thought I would share as it shows when we can expect the dual-core ivy bridge cpus. I(We?) can only hope Apple gets them early or at least in time to release on or around this launch window.

June 5th also happens to be a Tuesday!


Tomorrow happens to be a Tuesday also!! :D
 
What's stopping Apple to refresh the upper 13" model with the 35w quad along with the 15" (and maybe 17"), keeping the SB base 13" assuming there is no redesign and then adding the base model with the IB dual core in June?

A staggered release, but not one which would be noticeable.
 
What's stopping Apple to refresh the upper 13" model with the 35w quad along with the 15" (and maybe 17"), keeping the SB base 13" assuming there is no redesign and then adding the base model with the IB dual core in June?

A staggered release, but not one which would be noticeable.

Increased manufacturing costs and customer confusion.
 
The standard 15" MacBook Pro is no longer "In Stock" in the german apple store, but available in "1-2 business days".

This could be a good sign :D
 
The standard 15" MacBook Pro is no longer "In Stock" in the german apple store, but available in "1-2 business days".

This could be a good sign :D

All MBPs, MBAs and iMacs have 1-2 days shipping estimates in the german and swiss-german Apple stores. Are they usually in stock in the german apple store?

edit: see post below, may 1st holiday!
 
The standard 15" MacBook Pro is no longer "In Stock" in the german apple store, but available in "1-2 business days".

This could be a good sign :D

Take this with a pinch of salt... There are always posts saying 'out of stock' on a certain Apple site then the next day they are back 'in stock'

This is getting very tedious now, I have never waited for an Apple release before and I don't think I want to wait for one again
 
I went through the macrumors archives and checked the rumor situation before the previous three updates.

1. Supply constraints are reported up to a month before the actual launch from resellers. Closer (1-2 weeks) to the actual launch the Apple store shows some signs, e.g. increased shipping estimates.

2. New part numbers emerge a few days (up to 10) before the launch, typically from resellers, but sometimes also from some Apple store somewhere around the world. This seems to be a very solid indicator of an imminent launch.

3. The actual specs of the new models don't surface until a few days before the launch, sometimes only hours before the new products become available. Everything before that is speculation.


Current status:
1. Some supply constraints have been reported, but in most cases MBPs have re-appeared in stock. No evidence for constraints in Apple stores.
2. Nothing.
3. Ivy Bridge is given, everything else is speculation


I would say it's unlikely that new models will be announced next week, due to the lack of concrete rumors. Beyond that I don't have much to say.

Appleinsider reported constrained availability of the 15'' a few weeks ago, here: http://www.appleinsider.com/article...s_constrained_ahead_of_redesigned_models.html

I followed all the links, and all models are back in stock at those resellers.

Looking at other Ivy Bridge laptops, some have been announced now, but it's very hard to find one that can actually be purchased and shipped. Ultrabooks are being pushed back to Q3 2012. Nvidia has problems shipping enough Kepler GPUs, and the mobile Ivy Bridge CPUs are only partially available. June seems more likely to me right now.
 
Just to remind people that before the 2008 MBP redesign rumours were very frequent. We had enclosures from china leaking on the internet and details of the unibody design, we had rumours of release dates and part numbers in store inventories, and details of the 13 inch becoming aluminium and more rumours that I've forgotten.

We've seen comparatively very few rumours so far, so that means either the redesign isn't going to be before WWDC, or Apple have tightened up on leaks.
 
Just a little longer till June, not much of a big deal waiting however I hope High Res Anti-Glare will be an option for this new MBP.
 
Just to remind people that before the 2008 MBP redesign rumours were very frequent. We had enclosures from china leaking on the internet and details of the unibody design, we had rumours of release dates and part numbers in store inventories, and details of the 13 inch becoming aluminium and more rumours that I've forgotten.

We've seen comparatively very few rumours so far, so that means either the redesign isn't going to be before WWDC, or Apple have tightened up on leaks.

And even fewer solid, concrete evidence (if any at that). Most have been rumours and speculations. Have we had any leaked information yet?

• 04/23: Apple Predicted to Discontinue 17-Inch MacBook Pro (While the analyst has offered accurate information in the past this is IMO an analyst prediction and not a solid rumour)
• 04/11: Updated MacBook Pro to See Significant Performance Boost with Ivy Bridge (If I may, Duh! of course)
• 04/10: Reseller Shortages Hint at Forthcoming Update for 15-Inch MacBook Pro (happens alot)
• 03/16: Slimmer 13-Inch and 15-Inch MacBook Pros Reportedly in Production (This and others like it are probably the best of the rumours)
• 02/29: Thinner MacBook Pro Models in 13-Inch and 15-Inch Sizes Coming in April?
 
Ahh I really want one now and in two days I'll be in Germany where prices are better so it's hard choice. What would you do?
 
That's certainly possible. Do you think AMD GPU or more a full AMD solution with AMD CPU and GPU?

I'd bet Intel CPU any day. We're talking about higher performance, and less software and driver hassle. Am not sure about native USB 3.0 and thunderbolt, so I wont comment on those.
 
First of all, lemme congratulate you on a rational set of expectations. I'll be comparing them to mine, for the sake of discussion ;)

Thank you!

Agreed. No one seems to be paying much attention to the average release dates, but instead are sticking to what Digitimes reports. While the Buyer's Guide doesn't take into account the current available chips, I'd say it's usually a reliable source to go by.

Yes. And I've never seen Apple update its products in six months - which would be the case if it had released the MBP in late

Here, I'd go with a 5 or a 6. A redesign is surely possible (specially if it comes out in June, as it'd give good WWDC material), but not the most prement need of this laptop line.

A redesign is not necessary, but it may be desirable. If Apple adopts retina displays, it is a great opportunity to revamp the laptop line. An IPS retina screen, for instance, might require a redesign, even if subtle. With the adoption of retina, Apple could opt to change to 16:9 screens instead of 16:10, for instance - it is currently one of a few companies that sell 16:10 laptops and even its iMacs use 16:9.

I'd lower that to 1 or 2. On Jobs' bio, a a very logic concept was described. It had to do with simplifying the product lines. It was a 2*2 table, where the lines were Low-end and High-end, and the columns represented either portable or non-portable computer. We can see this alligning perfectly for the mobile lines (MBA vs MBP for basic or pro needs), and also for the desktop lines (Mac Mini vs iMac) if the Mac Pro gets discontinued.

Also, merging the MBP and the MBA is bound to cause too much negative effects on the MBP. We're talking about storage space going down, CPU/GPU power going down, screen quality going down (despite the higher resolution), less number of ports, lack of RAM/drive upgradeability, higher price, soldered interior (meaning that if one thing goes puff, replacement isn't as simple)... all-in-all, the MBA is a terrific machine, but the MBP still has a place as a machine that offers other things.

I agree with you. I would give it no more than 1. However, I chose 3 because of two facts which I took into consideration: (i) there were recent rumors of a merge between the MBP and the MBA and these rumors sometimes have some truth behind them; (ii) I've seen the new Sony Vaio Z series, in which Sony packs a 35W TDP Core i7 inside a thin 13" laptop which is even lighter than the 11" MBA (so it is possible, although there would be considerable trade-offs: Apple would have to drop the optical disk drive and the dedicated video card, for instance). Therefore, I think it to be possible, but not likely to happen.

There was an interesting mock-up made a while ago. It made it overall thinner by making it less curved in the bottom and top, and adding a slight wedge-shape to it. If the ethernet port goes, I'd say this idea is completely possbile.

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I also found this less-refined mockup, but the kind of concept would work too. Basically, keep the form factor and lower the curvature of the top and bottom parts.

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Agree. But I would bet in an even more aggressive redesign, in which Apple would make the MBP even thinner.

Ah, I wish USB 3.0 was that simple. While it does make sense they include 3.0, Apple once played an akward move. The first iMacs had native USB 2.0 support, yet Apple still included USB 1.0 only. Why? To boost Firewire 400 usage. (I believe my facts are straight, lemme know if there's any incorrection here, in particular regarding numbers used). Apple could be doing the same to boost up Thunderbolt usage. I wouldn't say it's likely, but it's reason enough for me to drop that USB 3.0 10/10 chance to a 9/10.

True. But Apple could even choose not to adopt Sandy Bridge or to move away from Intel and adopt ARM architecture. Of course all of this is theoretical and very unlikely to happen, but it has happened in the past, in one form or another.

Agreed. There is only one quad-core CPU the 13" MBPs could use, and Apple typically likes to provide two CPU options for the 13" tier.

Yes.

I'd even rise that to 9!

Perhaps - just perhaps - Apple rises the memory of the highest end model to 8 GB. But I would bet on 4 GB for every model.

I can see it happen if they took out the ODD. 1/10 chance seems just right though.

I don't see it happen even if they drop the ODD. A dedicated video card adds cost.

No opinion here. I'm not a fan of Nvidia, but Apple has used it before so who knows.

I would bet on AMD. I think Nvidia cards won't support retina resolutions.


Apple will adopt retina Macs, sooner or later. Even Intel has announced they are coming when it unveiled Ivy Bridge. And Apple will rush to be the first one to offer them. If Intel predicts that retina displays are coming to the regular PCs in 2013, and if Windows 8 supporting these displays is to be released in October 2012, Apple should hurry to get these high resolution screens before anybody else does. It has two means to guarantee that: (i) to control supply of such screens (and even the almighty Apple may fail to do that, as Samsung, for instance, is able to produce such screens in-house); or (ii) to release Macs equipped with such screens before Windows 8 launches. I would bet on (ii).

Perhaps 1/10. They are still too expensive for the price they provide.

Yes, they are expensive. Apple would have to adopt 128 or 256 GB SSDs instead of 500-750 GB HDDs. That would be a considerable trade-off. But Apple may be willing to do that. Of course they are pricey, but Apple has recently bought a company that produces SSDs. We may see some surprises here. But perhaps not this time.

I so wish so! ;)

Sooner or later, they will. Apple is not willing to adopt Blu-ray, and, given this choice, there's no other route to go other than dropping the optical disk drive.

Thank you so much for an amazing post, which did not get half the attention it should. Definetly one of the most helpful (if not the most) posts I've read on this topic!

Great post indeed. Crude, but right to the point.
 
People who mention 8gb RAM as a new standard - definitely not going to happen in the foreseeable future.

They only bumped it to a default of 4gb in mid-2010. Machines earlier than that - at the start of 2010 we're talking about here - were still shipping with 2gb of RAM as standard and 4gb as an upgrade!

Apple aren't generous with their memory. I doubt we'll see 8gb RAM as standard for another three or four years yet (at the very least).

Not that it matters. It's so cheap to upgrade that I'd actually prefer it came with less and keep the costs low, and then upgrade it myself more cheaply later. I pay Apple tax on a lot of things but for two sticks of RAM I can do without it. I'd upgrade either to 8gb or 16gb myself at a later date regardless.
 
I really just hope this thing comes with a HDMI port.
I'd hate to spend this much money on a laptop and then have to turn around and buy an adapter just for HDMI.

My mind is already set on buying this or the current gen one whenever the new MBP come out. Because I need a laptop and need to get more experience with OSX.


Honestly, it's not like that many people even need 8gb to make it standard. I think 4 is the golden number in terms of everyday computing. But like you said it'll be a lot cheaper to just upgrade once you buy it anyway rather than having Apple do it
 
No one seems to worry about highest temperatures from IVB ? According to all reviews, temps is up to 6°C higher. Of course those reviews are with desktop units they are also made with good HSF...
 
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