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Not sure I agree. I'd like to see Alonso, Hamilton or Kimi in the RBR number 1 car and see how they compare.

Agreed. I also think this is a unique year. In past years we hear a lot about the constant development and upgrades to the cars. Not so much this year. Although none of the top teams have admitted it, I think they are putting more effort into developing for next year than they usually do because of the huge changes in engine formula for 2014. RBR is pushing for another championship and so they are still going to develop.

Also Webber has admitted to losing his motivation.

These things make Vettel seem better than he is.
 
At the end of the day, all drivers pale in comparison to Vettel.

Vettel certainly has talent. He proved it with the Toro Rosso in the rain at Monza and with the BMW at Indianapolis. So his success is certainly not solely because he is driving the Red Bull.

But having the dominant car has played a major role in his success, just as it has played a major role for all World Driving Champions throughout Formula One, especially those who have won multiple WDCs.
 
At the end of the day, all drivers pale in comparison to Vettel.
I don't think so. Vettel is a great driver, but Alonso and Kimi are better. Put them in an equivalent car and they will beat Vettel more often than not.
 
Vettel certainly has talent. He proved it with the Toro Rosso in the rain at Monza and with the BMW at Indianapolis. So his success is certainly not solely because he is driving the Red Bull.

But having the dominant car has played a major role in his success, just as it has played a major role for all World Driving Champions throughout Formula One, especially those who have won multiple WDCs.

Very well said. It's true the Red Bull car & team for that matter, are all tuned to near perfection.
 
I think RBR have developed the car around finger boy for years now. Thats why the two work together so well. It was the same at Ferrari back when Schumacher was there winning everything.

It will be interesting who gets to control development at Ferrari next year Alonso or Kimi.

It will depend on how many friends Kimi has left there, and who produces the goods in the early races.

Either way, can't wait for this season to be over and the next one to start.
 
I think RBR have developed the car around finger boy for years now. Thats why the two work together so well. It was the same at Ferrari back when Schumacher was there winning everything.

It will be interesting who gets to control development at Ferrari next year Alonso or Kimi.

It will depend on how many friends Kimi has left there, and who produces the goods in the early races.

Either way, can't wait for this season to be over and the next one to start.


agreed on both.

when it is all said and done, fingerboy really is a pretty decent racer. he blew me away when he won @monza with torros rosso in the rain. i don't dislike him as much as i dislike the the race track politics. webber has grown on me. but still not a fan.
 
Emmo tweeted that Kimi might be out for Korea and the rest of the season. The Italian press (omnicorse.it) is speculating he'll get surgery at the end of the season.

Google translation
Despite the pain in the back would give him a respite during the GP of Singapore, allowing him to get on the lowest rung of the podium without any problems, after the race began to circulate with a certain insistence the rumor that Kimi Raikkonen will undergo surgery surgery at the end of the season.

The Finnish pulls behind this problem for several years and in particular it is a nerve that tends to ignite when it is urged too. The cause of the discomfort suffered on the Marina Bay Street would be a step too aggressively over a curb in the first free practice on Friday.

To enable him to take the path of Gp his physio has undergone a cure cortisone treatments being helped by a colleague of Red Bull. However, the "Iceman" now seems willing to sort it out once and for all before making his return to Ferrari and then in the coming winter should go under the knife for an operation that still should not be too invasive, guaranteeing times recovery rather short.
 
Emmo tweeted that Kimi might be out for Korea and the rest of the season. The Italian press (omnicorse.it) is speculating he'll get surgery at the end of the season.

Google translation

Kimi must really be pissed at Lotus. They don't pay him and then they mess up his seat he hurts his back because of it.

I wonder who would take Kimi's spot? Probably one of their test drivers, Prost or D'Ambrosio. Losing Kimi the until next year would be a shame. The rest of this season is already anticlimactic.
 
Just wanted to post on how cool I thought it was to see Webber hop on Alonso's Ferrari for a ride back. And with the little amount of space already in the cockpit, still not sure where his foot fit in there.
 
Just wanted to post on how cool I thought it was to see Webber hop on Alonso's Ferrari for a ride back. And with the little amount of space already in the cockpit, still not sure where his foot fit in there.

Alas, Webber was tagged with an infraction for running across the track to get to Alonso's car while other drivers were in circulation. As this is his third infraction (of any type) for the year, it triggered a 10-spot grid penalty for Korea.
 
His tweets were pretty good, pointing out that one of the stewards who issued the penalty had also received a ride in the past. I liked it... the reprimand is too harsh in my opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBByzQBCSXE

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Hthe reprimand is too harsh in my opinion.

I disagree. The CCTV footage shows that where Alonso stopped was dangerous as both Hamilton and Rosberg had to take evasive action to avoid hitting either the Ferrari or Webber.

If Alonso had stopped closer to the runoff area, they would have remained in view of approaching cars and at that point I think a reprimand would not have been issued (or would not have been warranted).
 
I disagree. The CCTV footage shows that where Alonso stopped was dangerous as both Hamilton and Rosberg had to take evasive action to avoid hitting either the Ferrari or Webber.

If Alonso had stopped closer to the runoff area, they would have remained in view of approaching cars and at that point I think a reprimand would not have been issued (or would not have been warranted).

Maybe... the issue is where else could he have stopped by the time he saw Webbo needed a lift, these cars can get easily stuck on the kerbs if they stop on them. I don't disagree that it was somewhat dangerous, I just think 10 spots is too much. However it is his third infraction... so that was the justification. Part of me thinks they both didn't care about anyone else given "finger boys" dominance. Funny to see that name used on this page :D
 
Maybe... the issue is where else could he have stopped by the time he saw Webbo needed a lift, these cars can get easily stuck on the kerbs if they stop on them. I don't disagree that it was somewhat dangerous, I just think 10 spots is too much. However it is his third infraction... so that was the justification. Part of me thinks they both didn't care about anyone else given "finger boys" dominance. Funny to see that name used on this page :D

When I saw it I thought they both used poor judgement. If it is indeed an on-track safety issue, then a 10 spot grid penalty is maybe not too extreme. After all, one of the main concerns of the drivers organization is safety, so they need to set an example to have greater credibility and influence. I like Weber. He's one of my favorite drivers, but I think he stepped directly in this pile.
 
Anybody see the movie RUSH? Any thoughts?

I have mixed feelings about the movie. It's great that someone made a movie about F1. And the Hunt vs Lauda battle transcends the sport.

But having been a little kid who was obsessed with F1 I couldn't help but be distracted by all the little avoidable inaccuracies. I think I would have liked the movie more if I knew nothing about F1.
 
Anybody see the movie RUSH? Any thoughts?

I have mixed feelings about the movie. It's great that someone made a movie about F1. And the Hunt vs Lauda battle transcends the sport.

But having been a little kid who was obsessed with F1 I couldn't help but be distracted by all the little avoidable inaccuracies. I think I would have liked the movie more if I knew nothing about F1.

Planning on seeing it, but not got round to it yet. Most sports related movies always disappoint but the trailers look good.
 
Anybody see the movie RUSH? Any thoughts?

I have mixed feelings about the movie. It's great that someone made a movie about F1. And the Hunt vs Lauda battle transcends the sport.

But having been a little kid who was obsessed with F1 I couldn't help but be distracted by all the little avoidable inaccuracies. I think I would have liked the movie more if I knew nothing about F1.

Planning on seeing it, but not got round to it yet. Most sports related movies always disappoint but the trailers look good.


i still wanna see it
 
i still wanna see it

It's definitely worth seeing. It's the best F1 movie ever made, that's for sure. It could have been much better for F1 fans but we are a minority of viewers, especially in the states.

Just remember it's based on a true story and is no way a documentary. Go in with low expectations and you may be pleasantly surprised.

We should start a thread with all the non-storyline goofs though. The narrative is of course going to be changed to make the story more 'Hollywood'. There were just a lot of little details that could have been more accurate if they even had a copy of Automobile Year on the set.
 
It's definitely worth seeing. It's the best F1 movie ever made, that's for sure. It could have been much better for F1 fans but we are a minority of viewers, especially in the states.

Just remember it's based on a true story and is no way a documentary. Go in with low expectations and you may be pleasantly surprised.

We should start a thread with all the non-storyline goofs though. The narrative is of course going to be changed to make the story more 'Hollywood'. There were just a lot of little details that could have been more accurate if they even had a copy of Automobile Year on the set.


yeah, i've been following ron howard on twitter just to keep up with the production and what not. seen a few interviews with niki lauda and he has pretty much said it is a good film and that is a "movie after all"...
 
Maybe we might have a proper race in Korea. Hamilton was fastest in both Friday practices. One can hope...

There's a rumor that Rubens Barrichello is being considered for one of the Sauber seats next year. He must bring some big time sponsorship money. Must admit, this was a surprising rumor. Doubt it will happen though.
 
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