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2014-15 NFL season thread
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Coming down with that ball and getting both feet in bounds with that ball in control normally counts as a catch. There real crux of the matter is whether his move toward the goal line was a "football move". I think it was.
Had that reception happened on the 20-yard line, he wouldn't have extended the ball as he did. He made that move because the goal line was mere inches away. So IMHO it should be considered a football move after the catch which was established by his control and getting both feet in bounds.
Really liking how the playoffs are shaping up. As a Patriots fan, I'm really happy that they overcame the Ravens on Saturday; it was a close game in the end.
I'm not too worried about this week's matchup vs Indy; NE seems to get their way with them, and the past 3 games have been near-blowouts. I really respect Andrew Luck as a quarterback though, and expect him to bring his all in the AFC Championship.
I see the Super Bowl being NE vs SEA; should be a really good game! Last time they played, SEA only won by a point. Hopefully Belichick has been keeping notes of them. Knowing how he is, I'm sure he has
Not really sure where all the hate for NE comes from, but I hope they win the Super Bowl again just to silence the haters, lol.
I'm not too worried about this week's matchup vs Indy; NE seems to get their way with them, and the past 3 games have been near-blowouts. I really respect Andrew Luck as a quarterback though, and expect him to bring his all in the AFC Championship.
I see the Super Bowl being NE vs SEA; should be a really good game! Last time they played, SEA only won by a point. Hopefully Belichick has been keeping notes of them. Knowing how he is, I'm sure he has
Not really sure where all the hate for NE comes from, but I hope they win the Super Bowl again just to silence the haters, lol.
If he didn't get greedy and went down at the 2 it would have been a catch. He decided to stretch it to a TD and that is where he lost control. He was never going to get the touchdown as he was short anyways.
but isn't coming down with the ball taking 2 steps and stretching for a TD considered making a football move?
It's a very gray area and a total judgement call what the refs consider to be "making a football move" Alot of these calls could go either way. If they say that he has to make a football move then one could argue that trying to stretch out to get the ball over the plane is a football move.
So the question is did the ball come loose before he attempted to stretch it out? or did it come loose in the process of stretching it out.
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This is what I saw: he pulled the ball down, tried to cradle it, it tried to squirm past his elbow, he got it into his hand, then his hand, alongside the ball, hit the ground, causing the ball to bounce off the turf. This all took place in the course of about one second. Bryant and the ball were basically falling together, meaning he had not established control of it. If his hand/arm had been under the ball, preventing it from touching the turf, it could have been a TD catch, but the ball hit the ground while he was still trying to control it.
The other thing that annoys me is those cursed gloves: if he had been bare-handed or wearing ordinary, non-sticky gloves, he either would have had to pull the ball into his belly or risk losing it earlier. The NFL allows those gloves because they make for some awesome-looking catches, but this particular rule provides reasonable offset to the gloves and also allows the rules of contact by/on defenders to be applied more permissively.
The fact that he was in the air when he lunged for the goal line makes it one move. So when the ball comes out at the end it's an incomplete pass. I would also argue that he never really had possession going through the process. That ball was moving a lot as he went to the ground.
A "step" is a controlled move, he did not take any actual steps, he was stumbling.
Apparently he was playing with a torn right quad that was bad enough to affect his throwing ability. The question is, is he young enough to recover fully? Should he take the back-up spot, to nurture a younger prospect and develop his sideline talents for a possible coaching spot?
The other thing that baffles me is why would Dallas take a shot on such a low percentage play with 4th and 2 and the game seemingly on the line. I mean you got Demarco Murray, you can run a bootleg, send Dez on a short crossing or have him turn back for a quick strike...... I mean something with a little higher percentage of success..... It's not like Dez had a few steps on the defender and then he had to make an amazing play just to catch that ball in the air. Terrible play call there whether it came from the sideline or by Romo.
It was a great, killer instinct play call to the second best receiver in the league because nobody saw it coming. For all intents and purposes, the play worked.
Don't bother arguing with this board about the catch. You'd have better luck getting through to Roger Goodell's children.
This rule is quite unpopular in the media, regardless what MacNut and Sydde think
I would agree if Dez was wide open but the defender was with him stride for stride and even went up to defend the pass..... the part where I agree with you is that Dez is a great receiver and made an amazing catch in the air..... but you don't gamble on Dez making a great catch in such a crucial situation.
For a player like Dez Bryant, single coverage is wide open. He is paid to make that catch, and he did. It was gutsy and Garrett would look like an idiot if it didn't work (It didn't work, technically, but not for lack of execution), but it worked out.
No offense man but I've seen plays like that called incomplete all season.
I'm not going to argue it but it looks like GB got closure for the Fail Mary pass a few years ago in Seattle.
I'm glad that chapter is over.
And he never had possession of the ball. Look at all that movement.
He would have been better off taking a knee at the one and holding the ball.
No offense taken.
After an initial bobble he has control of the ball as he takes three steps, lunges toward the goal line and then hits the ground.
Yeah, that image is not supporting the case for a catch. It looks to me like the time that he took these "steps" was also while he was struggling to gain control of the ball. He then drives it into the turf with his momentum, resulting in it being incomplete. If he had gained full control of the ball, it never would have hit the ground.
They could win 3 more and nothing will change. Once branded and punished for "CHEATING" filming in the wrong area, people will use that forever to excuse their team from loosing to the Patriots. Ive been a 40 year fan and would love to see them destroy Seattle, that is if they can get past Indy.
Patriots would never "destroy" the Hawks unless Seattle had a bunch of injuries.
2012 : 24-23
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...seahawks-new-england-patriots-week-6/1633451/
Remember that was also Wilson's rookie year. He has gotten much better since then and he has a ring to prove it.
Well you get your wish - Fox is out.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12156158/john-fox-denver-broncos-head-coach
If anyone didn't see this coming, they were hiding in a cave. Now Manning should quit and give the team a chance next year or in a few years.
IIRC, they are going to be in cap hell next year. It may be a totally different team next season.
That ball was moving as he was going to the ground its not a catch.
Besides, the point is moot. It is what it is, its time to move on at this point.