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As I've said in here before, there are too many races now. I enjoy F1, but my family doesn't. When it was 12-15 races a year, you still had plenty of free weekends for family activities. Now it's nearly half the weekends a year. Dipping in and out doesn't really work for me. So not sure what I'll do in 2019. But as a fan for 30 plus years I'm not really ready to let it go.
 
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So no Alonso this weekend. Doctors have declared him unfit to race.
Good news for reserve driver Stoffel Vandoorne and a chance for him to make a name for himself. In a McLaren he won't win of course, but in reality he is only going to be compared to how Jenson gets on.
 
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This new qualifying format sucks. So crap to watch.
Not helped with Jenson out. As soon as people know they can't make it, they back out. Now I'm sat here watching an empty track with 6 minutes to go? How is that entertaining?
[doublepost=1459612759][/doublepost]So Lewis on poll and still 2 and a half minutes to go. Let's just hope he (and Nico) learn how to launch off the line. Should be a good race though.
 
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I think the half second between the Mercs and Vettel shows the gap is still very much there. Yes we expect the Reds to launch better at the start, but I think horsepower will win through.
Anyway looking forward to it. I was away for the Australian race weekend working, so for me this is the start of the season.
 
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This new qualifying format sucks. So crap to watch.
Not helped with Jenson out. As soon as people know they can't make it, they back out. Now I'm sat here watching an empty track with 6 minutes to go? How is that entertaining?
[doublepost=1459612759][/doublepost]So Lewis on poll and still 2 and a half minutes to go. Let's just hope he (and Nico) learn how to launch off the line. Should be a good race though.
Let's hope not. then it would be a much better race. :)

the major problem with qualis is the limitations on tyres, not the new sudden death format.
for this format to work, they need people to go at it with no qualms.
but to go at it, they need not to be penalized for it during the race.
they way it is, they have to look after the tyres with the race in mind, so it affects qualis dramatically.
it would be the same with the old Q1-Q2-Q3 format

when Grosjean is actually happy not to be through to Q3 but to be 9th, because it is a lot better for the race due to tyres, it is not a problem of the old vs new format, but it is a problem of tyre limitations.
nobody except hulkenbeg was racing at the end of Q2, because they would have rather be 9/10th than 7/8th.
that is idiotic, and would have been the same with the old format (but the current tyre rules, of course)

give them separate quali and race tyres sets, and you will see much more entertaining qualis, since there would be no reasons to just sit in the pits and wait.

one thing they should change for sure is to allow people to complete a lap they started before the clock ticked the elimination. it would add a lot of tension.

Grosjean:
"I think P9 is the best position right now. We could have had another go to get into Q3, but there was no point in terms of tyre usage for the race.

"In fact, I was just sat there and I was hoping someone would overtake me, and that I would drop from P8 to P9, which is a bit strange, but that's the way it is with the new tyres."

Asked about Hulkenberg's lap, Grosjean added: "I saw he was in sector one, and I was like 'Come on! Come on!', and then sector two was good and I was happy.

"It's a bit of a shame because we would like to go out in qualifying and play for the best result, but when you know you have a choice of free tyres that is what you want.

"I admit that sitting in the car for seven minutes hoping you are eliminated is not the way it should be.

this is what is messed up the most: there is an incentive to lose.

of course the other side of the medal is that it should make for more interesting races, at least mid pack, since you are going to have faster cars starting from a little behind.
but it is a gimmick and it doesn't feel right.
 
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Let's hope not. then it would be a much better race. :)

the major problem with qualis is the limitations on tyres, not the new sudden death format.
for this format to work, they need people to go at it with no qualms.
but to go at it, they need not to be penalized for it during the race.
they way it is, they have to look after the tyres with the race in mind, so it affects qualis dramatically.
it would be the same with the old Q1-Q2-Q3 format

when Grosjean is actually happy not to be through to Q3 but to be 9th, because it is a lot better for the race due to tyres, it is not a problem of the old vs new format, but it is a problem of tyre limitations.
nobody except hulkenbeg was racing at the end of Q2, because they would have rather be 9/10th than 7/8th.
that is idiotic, and would have been the same with the old format (but the current tyre rules, of course)

give them separate quali and race tyres sets, and you will see much more entertaining qualis, since there would be no reasons to just sit in the pits and wait.

one thing they should change for sure is to allow people to complete a lap they started before the clock ticked the elimination. it would add a lot of tension.

Grosjean:
"I think P9 is the best position right now. We could have had another go to get into Q3, but there was no point in terms of tyre usage for the race.

"In fact, I was just sat there and I was hoping someone would overtake me, and that I would drop from P8 to P9, which is a bit strange, but that's the way it is with the new tyres."

Asked about Hulkenberg's lap, Grosjean added: "I saw he was in sector one, and I was like 'Come on! Come on!', and then sector two was good and I was happy.

"It's a bit of a shame because we would like to go out in qualifying and play for the best result, but when you know you have a choice of free tyres that is what you want.

"I admit that sitting in the car for seven minutes hoping you are eliminated is not the way it should be.

this is what is messed up the most: there is an incentive to lose.

of course the other side of the medal is that it should make for more interesting races, at least mid pack, since you are going to have faster cars starting from a little behind.
but it is a gimmick and it doesn't feel right.
Just go back to the old format, reintroduce qualifying tyres, and have a qualifying championship over the season.
Saturday's were always exciting. It's Sunday's that need a bit more spice.
Introduce a king of overtakes championship as well. So you get a point for every overtake over the course of the season. That way even if a team has a big advantage (like the current Mercs) they can't win the championship and the King of overtakes crown, as being at the front would disadvantage them. Then you might even see mid pack teams dropping back on Saturdays to try and get more overtakes on a Sunday.
Could be fun to watch.
 
Just go back to the old format, reintroduce qualifying tyres, and have a qualifying championship over the season.
Saturday's were always exciting. It's Sunday's that need a bit more spice.
Introduce a king of overtakes championship as well. So you get a point for every overtake over the course of the season. That way even if a team has a big advantage (like the current Mercs) they can't win the championship and the King of overtakes crown, as being at the front would disadvantage them. Then you might even see mid pack teams dropping back on Saturdays to try and get more overtakes on a Sunday.
Could be fun to watch.

i liked the old quali format so i wouldn't mind going back to that.
but if they went back to it without changing the current tyre rules, you would see exactly what you are seeing now, with most of the cars in the pit most of the time.
i would like to see the current version (with slight modifications) without the tire limitations.

the other two ideas are a bit too gimmicky, in my opinion, and wouldn't change the race much, if at all.
A "pole championship" already exists in practice, even if it is not official, and the incentive to get pole is already high enough, since pole is the best predictor of a race win.
as far as the "king of overtake", i certainly hope i don't see cars dropping back on purpose just to pass cars over and over again. it would transform the races into travesties. besides, in general pilots are already doing what they can to overtake, if they don't is because they can't.
[doublepost=1459642254][/doublepost]just to expand on the points above.
the real problem is an intrinsic one to racing with qualifiers.
In the Perfect Racing World™, a properly run Qualification session, no matter what formula is used, puts the best car in the front.
In the Perfect Racing World™, having the best car in the front reduces the chances of an exciting race, because, obviously, the best car is faster and will win the race.
Rinse a repeat for second best, third best and so on.
Therefore, the Perfect Racing World™ is boring as hell.

Enter the gimmicks.
Anything and everything is done to mix things up and try to avoid boring precessionary races: DRS, purposedly short-lived tyres, mandatory tyre changes, tyre penalization of cars in front on the grid, refueling, messing around with Qualis,etc

the obvious solution to have more exciting races would be to eliminate qualis and have cars starting in reverse order of championship standings.
however i like qualis, and so does a lot of people, so they should be kept, and people should have all the incentive to go as fast as they can in them.

is there a way to have real qualis, but at the same time have a more interesting grid.

or: can we have our cake, and eat it too?
yes.
combine reverse championship standing and real qualifiers to determine the starting grid.
there are 22 cars.
the position in the grid is calculated by adding the result in the Qualis to the reversed position in the championship
the car with the lowest total starts first, the car with highest total starts last. if there is a tie in the total, Quali results count.
this way, you never have the best cars starting in pole, but you still would have an incentive for them to do as good as possible in qualifiers

here is how it would have worked work today:

today's qualis
1.hamilton, 2.rosberg, 3.vettel, 4.raikkonen, 5.ricciardo, 6. bottas, 7.massa, 8. hulkenberg, 9.grosjean, 10.verstappen, 11.sainz, 12.vandoorne, 13.gutierrez, 14.button, 15.kvyat, 16.werlhein, 17.ericsson, 18.perez, 19.magnussen, 20.palmer,
21. haryanto, 22.nasr

current championship ranking:
1. rosberg(22), 2.hamilton(21), 3. vettel(20), 4.ricciardo(19), 5. massa(18), 6.grosjean(17), 7.hulkenberg(16), 8.bottas(15) 9.sainz(14), 10. verstappen(13), 11. everyone else(12)

grid:
1.raikkonen (4+12=16), 2.bottas (6+15=21), 3.hamilton (1+21=22), 4.vettel (3+20=23), 5.verstappen (10+13=23), 6.rosberg (2+22=24), 7.ricciardo (5+19=24), 8.hulkenberg (8+16=24), 9.vanddorne (12+12=24), 10.massa (7+18=25), 11.sainz (11+14=25), 12.gutierrez (13+12=25), 13.grosjean (9+17=26), 14.button(14+12=26), 15.kvyat (15+12=27),
16.werlhein (16+12=28), 17.ericsson (17+12=29), 18.perez (18+12=30), 19.magnussen (19+12=31), 20.palmer (20+12=32), 21. haryanto (21+12=33), 22.nasr (22+12=34)

basically you would have a more interesting race, because the two best cars start 3rd and 6th, without compromizing qualifiers (in fact, doing well in qualis becomes even more important for the championship contenders)​
 
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i liked the old quali format so i wouldn't mind going back to that.
but if they went back to it without changing the current tyre rules, you would see exactly what you are seeing now, with most of the cars in the pit most of the time.
i would like to see the current version (with slight modifications) without the tire limitations.

the other two ideas are a bit too gimmicky, in my opinion, and wouldn't change the race much, if at all.
A "pole championship" already exists in practice, even if it is not official, and the incentive to get pole is already high enough, since pole is the best predictor of a race win.
as far as the "king of overtake", i certainly hope i don't see cars dropping back on purpose just to pass cars over and over again. it would transform the races into travesties. besides, in general pilots are already doing what they can to overtake, if they don't is because they can't.
[doublepost=1459642254][/doublepost]just to expand on the points above.
the real problem is an intrinsic one to racing with qualifiers.
In the Perfect Racing World™, a properly run Qualification session, no matter what formula is used, puts the best car in the front.
In the Perfect Racing World™, having the best car in the front reduces the chances of an exciting race, because, obviously, the best car is faster and will win the race.
Rinse a repeat for second best, third best and so on.
Therefore, the Perfect Racing World™ is boring as hell.

Enter the gimmicks.
Anything and everything is done to mix things up and try to avoid boring precessionary races: DRS, purposedly short-lived tyres, mandatory tyre changes, tyre penalization of cars in front on the grid, refueling, messing around with Qualis,etc

the obvious solution to have more exciting races would be to eliminate qualis and have cars starting in reverse order of championship standings.
however i like qualis, and so does a lot of people, so they should be kept, and people should have all the incentive to go as fast as they can in them.

is there a way to have real qualis, but at the same time have a more interesting grid.

or: can we have our cake, and eat it too?
yes.
combine reverse championship standing and real qualifiers to determine the starting grid.
there are 22 cars.
the position in the grid is calculated by adding the result in the Qualis to the reversed position in the championship
the car with the lowest total starts first, the car with highest total starts last. if there is a tie in the total, Quali results count.
this way, you never have the best cars starting in pole, but you still would have an incentive for them to do as good as possible in qualifiers

here is how it would have worked work today:

today's qualis
1.hamilton, 2.rosberg, 3.vettel, 4.raikkonen, 5.ricciardo, 6. bottas, 7.massa, 8. hulkenberg, 9.grosjean, 10.verstappen, 11.sainz, 12.vandoorne, 13.gutierrez, 14.button, 15.kvyat, 16.werlhein, 17.ericsson, 18.perez, 19.magnussen, 20.palmer,
21. haryanto, 22.nasr

current championship ranking:
1. rosberg(22), 2.hamilton(21), 3. vettel(20), 4.ricciardo(19), 5. massa(18), 6.grosjean(17), 7.hulkenberg(16), 8.bottas(15) 9.sainz(14), 10. verstappen(13), 11. everyone else(12)

grid:
1.raikkonen (4+12=16), 2.bottas (6+15=21), 3.hamilton (1+21=22), 4.vettel (3+20=23), 5.verstappen (10+13=23), 6.rosberg (2+22=24), 7.ricciardo (5+19=24), 8.hulkenberg (8+16=24), 9.vanddorne (12+12=24), 10.massa (7+18=25), 11.sainz (11+14=25), 12.gutierrez (13+12=25), 13.grosjean (9+17=26), 14.button(14+12=26), 15.kvyat (15+12=27),
16.werlhein (16+12=28), 17.ericsson (17+12=29), 18.perez (18+12=30), 19.magnussen (19+12=31), 20.palmer (20+12=32), 21. haryanto (21+12=33), 22.nasr (22+12=34)

basically you would have a more interesting race, because the two best cars start 3rd and 6th, without compromizing qualifiers (in fact, doing well in qualis becomes even more important for the championship contenders)​
What about the opening race?
 
This new qualifying format sucks. So crap to watch.
Not helped with Jenson out. As soon as people know they can't make it, they back out. Now I'm sat here watching an empty track with 6 minutes to go? How is that entertaining?
[doublepost=1459612759][/doublepost]So Lewis on poll and still 2 and a half minutes to go. Let's just hope he (and Nico) learn how to launch off the line. Should be a good race though.

I miss the old qualifying in Montoya days, those were often better than the race but we got sponsor interference.
I want them to go back to allowing the teams to remove as much as possible from the cars and seeing the mad dash to get out as late as possible for that mega lap.

I'm a LH and glad to have him on pole however a Ferrari challenge is desperately needed this is almost as boring as the Vettel/Schumacher years and makes extra races rather pointless.

I still want to see a point for pole and fastest lap.
 
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