2016 Macbook Pro, Order/Shipping Thread

[Foss]

Regarding the expedited shipping question on pre-orders, I have acted as a control (of not asking for expedited shipping) on the iPhone 7 pre-orders while other people had. I received my phone no later than those that had. It's possible that for whatever reason Mac pre-order would be handled differently, but it's pretty unlikely IMO.

 

[iizmoo]

If anything is going to push the 8gb limit it isn't going to be browser usage. My work laptop is ancient, from the mid 00's with a Pentium processor and about 2gb RAM and it can handle a shedload of browser tabs. Short of 3D graphics, gaming, and running virtual machines, I can't think of anything that would even remotely push 8GB of RAM personally.

Umm, right now with 2 macrumors and a Google Docs tab open on Safari, it's running around 2GB RAM on my MacPro. Firefox uses another 500MB, and for some reason Google Drive is sucking up 1.46GB of RAM...

I don't have problems with my RAM, but my colleages with 3 browsers ant 15-25 tabs each. That'd be around 50-75 tabs opened in the background, and then they use other things like Mail, Office, etc... And yeah, that'll eat RAM.

Modern websites and browsers aren't like what we had back in the days, they really take up a lot of RAM to process.

In other news, How the heck do you even live with 2GB of RAM? I mean, even my 2006 White Macbook got upgraded to 4GB. And I did that like back in 2008.

For reference, right now, with Mail, Firefox (2 tabs), Safari (3 tabs), Rubymine, MySQL (900MB), Twitter, Dropbox, Backblaze, and Google drive running. I'm using 14.63GB 7.24 of which is Cached. Even if we take out the cached, that's still pretty close to 8GB, and I'm not doing any crazy FCPX or Photoshop or Flash.

 

[vengapat]

Umm, right now with 2 macrumors and a Google Docs tab open on Safari, it's running around 2GB RAM on my MacPro. Firefox uses another 500MB, and for some reason Google Drive is sucking up 1.46GB of RAM...

I don't have problems with my RAM, but my colleages with 3 browsers ant 15-25 tabs each. That'd be around 50-75 tabs opened in the background, and then they use other things like Mail, Office, etc... And yeah, that'll eat RAM.

Modern websites and browsers aren't like what we had back in the days, they really take up a lot of RAM to process.

In other news, How the heck do you even live with 2GB of RAM? I mean, even my 2006 White Macbook got upgraded to 4GB. And I did that like back in 2008.

For reference, right now, with Mail, Firefox (2 tabs), Safari (3 tabs), Rubymine, MySQL (900MB), Twitter, Dropbox, Backblaze, and Google drive running. I'm using 14.63GB 7.24 of which is Cached. Even if we take out the cached, that's still pretty close to 8GB, and I'm not doing any crazy FCPX or Photoshop or Flash.

dude who the **** uses 75 tabs open at once. this seems nauseating

 

[iizmoo]

Regarding the expedited shipping question on pre-orders, I have acted as a control (of not asking for expedited shipping) on the iPhone 7 pre-orders while other people had. I received my phone no later than those that had. It's possible that for whatever reason Mac pre-order would be handled differently, but it's pretty unlikely IMO.

I've done this when the MacPro is release. You just need to call about right before your thing is expected to ship and ask for a status update on it, and they'll usually be very happy to upgrade to Next Day or fastest shipping available. They did it for my MacPro and I didn't have to asked for faster shipping or anything, the reps are just trained to make you happy. Shipping difference does cost $, so they're not going to automatically upgrade you unless you made the effort.

 

[elephantstone]

I rebooted my Mac yesterday, and Safari is already using 3,982MB of RAM. I have around 20 tabs open, so maybe that's slightly more than most people, but it's not completely unreasonable. One of the tabs is using 683MB of RAM all by itself (the Google Docs spreadsheet linked on this forum). I'm an app developer, so I usually have a lot of apps open, but nothing that uses an extreme amount of memory like Virtual Machines, Video or Photo apps, etc. On my Mac with 32GB of RAM, I'm already 2.5GB into virtual memory. Heck, I have a 47 page PDF open in Preview.app and it's using 3.5GB of RAM. In Preview!

So let's see, my first 8GB would be gone after opening Safari and Preview. Hardly a professional workload…

8GB is a good entry-level amount of RAM. But if you're the type of user who steps up to a MacBook Pro because you use your Mac for a variety of tasks, I wouldn't recommend anything less than 16GB of RAM.

4GB RAM being used for your browser is absolutely unreasonable! Maybe this is a Safari-only thing (I've never owned one before), but I would suggest that that is down to some appalling browser coding. And please, never describe 8GB RAM is entry level again! I'm on Chrome on PC right now and that Docs tab uses 100mb of RAM. Using up 34.5GB RAM is absolutely insane to the point of memory leakage.

Then you don't use Chrome (which is good) but it's definitely a ram hog. That plus a few apps open and it might struggle in a few years. I doubt we're going to be using less ram for applications or browsing so preparing with extra ram just seems smart. Kind of like carrying a coat. Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it.

I'm on Chrome right now, but on PC.

 

[iizmoo]

dude who the **** uses 75 tabs open at once. this seems nauseating

I work with a lot of "Journalists" type... I kid you not, I've seen FF, Chrome and Safari all opened, so many tabs that you could only see the favorite icon on the corner and it took like 30 seconds to find the right tab. And unfortunately, this is something I observed on multiple coworkers. THe number of tab opened average 25-40 on at least 2 browsers.

 

[elephantstone]

Umm, right now with 2 macrumors and a Google Docs tab open on Safari, it's running around 2GB RAM on my MacPro. Firefox uses another 500MB, and for some reason Google Drive is sucking up 1.46GB of RAM...

I don't have problems with my RAM, but my colleages with 3 browsers ant 15-25 tabs each. That'd be around 50-75 tabs opened in the background, and then they use other things like Mail, Office, etc... And yeah, that'll eat RAM.

Modern websites and browsers aren't like what we had back in the days, they really take up a lot of RAM to process.

In other news, How the heck do you even live with 2GB of RAM? I mean, even my 2006 White Macbook got upgraded to 4GB. And I did that like back in 2008.

For reference, right now, with Mail, Firefox (2 tabs), Safari (3 tabs), Rubymine, MySQL (900MB), Twitter, Dropbox, Backblaze, and Google drive running. I'm using 14.63GB 7.24 of which is Cached. Even if we take out the cached, that's still pretty close to 8GB, and I'm not doing any crazy FCPX or Photoshop or Flash.

I'm a web developer for my profession, I spend all day coding modern websites .

This must be a Mac-only thing, I have a tank of a gaming PC and I've never come close to using my 8GB of RAM. Not to put Mac's down of course, I'm buying one, it just might need a bit more understanding on my part that's all.

 

[mujtaba.mir]

So what's the correct number to try for faster shipping?

+1-800-692-7753

 

[elephantstone]

I just want someone else's to ship so that I can get excited about mine! Even though mine's not due until December 6th earliest...

 

[SeanG1027]

Hey guys. Weirdest thing just happened. So I decided to chat with Apple to see if they could expedite my shipping and they told me the usual - that the method they were using was already the expedited method. The guy was super nice and even told me he is waiting for his new MBP too. But then something unusual happened. I received an "Order Change Confirmation" email and my shipping was upgraded to 2-3 days. My delivery date moved up 2 days. It was Nov 17-25 before, now it says Nov 15-22. See the screenshot.

 

[iizmoo]

I'm a web developer for my profession, I spend all day coding modern websites .

This must be a Mac-only thing, I have a tank of a gaming PC and I've never come close to using my 8GB of RAM. Not to put Mac's down of course, I'm buying one, it just might need a bit more understanding on my part that's all.

Hehe, me too. I do Ruby on Rails and PHP.

You have to consider that Mac uses RAM similar to Linux, and not Windows. The kernel and memory management strategy is different. Most kernel and software development at memory management level tend to be more or less agressive depending on availability of Resources.

If I had 4GB of RAM, would I still be able to do all the things I do? Yep, I did it with a 2008 MBP and 4GB of RAM until 2014. Mac/Linux also marked RAM up differently. Windows usually only display the active memory, not what the software and kernel used/cached before. On Mac/Linux the strategy is more like, don't unload it unless we run out. So when we say things like using 30/32GB of RAM, that represent a hardline of all our software running and never exceeded that amount, no garbage collection or unloading is called or needed. When unloading happens, it only does so for a segment of least used cache, so you'd still see something like 32/32GB used. In my post, 7GB was cached. The rest probably on a very lazy management strategy where stuff really aren't unloaded.

The speed difference is managing all that memory pruning make your Windows or Ultrabook ever so slightly slower, jsut by maybe a few hundred ms or a few seconds per day. Not humanly noticable, but there is a cost to aggressive memory management.

 

[Nate.]

I rebooted my Mac yesterday, and Safari is already using 3,982MB of RAM. I have around 20 tabs open, so maybe that's slightly more than most people, but it's not completely unreasonable. One of the tabs is using 683MB of RAM all by itself (the Google Docs spreadsheet linked on this forum). I'm an app developer, so I usually have a lot of apps open, but nothing that uses an extreme amount of memory like Virtual Machines, Video or Photo apps, etc. On my Mac with 32GB of RAM, I'm already 2.5GB into virtual memory. Heck, I have a 47 page PDF open in Preview.app and it's using 3.5GB of RAM. In Preview!

So let's see, my first 8GB would be gone after opening Safari and Preview. Hardly a professional workload…

8GB is a good entry-level amount of RAM. But if you're the type of user who steps up to a MacBook Pro because you use your Mac for a variety of tasks, I wouldn't recommend anything less than 16GB of RAM.

If Safari and Preview are using 8GB of RAM, I'd suggest getting your machine looked at.

 

[leVel]

 

[mattburley7]

how come everyone has been able to get the next day shipping? i call or chat and they tell me its the fatest they can ship it and im at standard shipping i must not be saying something not right.

 

[kokhoong0624]

Guys just wanna ask if the SSD upgrade from 512 to 1TB is worth it. I only have 250GB storage on my prior cMBP (replaced with SSD) and have extra 80GB of storage left now. I feel like I could get an extra 1TB SSD thunderbolt storage for the price of the upgrade... Thanks in advance for any opinions

 

[IndigoDesign]

Are you serious?

There's no way an OS will need 16GB of RAM anytime soon.. lol. OSX also has memory compression so it's the least likely to need more RAM of any OS. Besides that.. people are running Sierra on 4GB machines without issue..

I honestly think these "16gb or your machine isn't futureproof" users are either trolls or have never used a Mac machine for a decent period of time before. Like I'm sorry but you're clueless.

I use Photoshop as well and unless you're doing massive workflows.. and I'm talking super massive.. there's no need for anywhere NEAR 24gb of RAM. That kinda tells me what you know on this subject.

Nobody should be concerned about having 8GB of RAM unless they're a professional who needs to render huge creative projects or something of that magnitude, and most of those people are smart enough to have a desktop or server for that anyways. This won't change in 5-6 years either. Developers are trying to make their programs less resource intensive now more than ever.

Aww Gawd.
I'm a professional layouter generating HUGE indesign files of catalogues and magazines. I need fast processors and RAM. Also ask any software and web developer with several browsers with many tabs open at once or running virtual machines for test purposes how quick you're out of RAM. And don't bring the argument "the average user doesn't do that kind of thing" - THAT's the POINT. It's supposed to be a PRO machine. Average user my ass. This should be a workhorse!

 

[schmidti91]

Aww Gawd.
I'm a professional layouter generating HUGE indesign files of catalogues and magazines. I need fast processors and RAM. Also ask any software and web developer with several browsers with many tabs open at once or running virtual machines for test purposes how quick you're out of RAM. And don't bring the argument "the average user doesn't do that kind of thing" - THAT's the POINT. It's supposed to be a PRO machine. Average user my ass. This should be a workhorse!

I'm sorry. Did you read his post?

Nobody should be concerned about having 8GB of RAM unless they're a professional who needs to render huge creative projects or something of that magnitude, and most of those people are smart enough to have a desktop or server for that anyways. This won't change in 5-6 years either. Developers are trying to make their programs less resource intensive now more than ever.

 

[unashamedgeek]

if the SSD upgrade from 512 to 1TB is worth it

I had a similar question earlier about storage and el-John-o response helped me -> https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...shipping-thread.2009747/page-26#post-23831595

 

[Brookzy]

how come everyone has been able to get the next day shipping? i call or chat and they tell me its the fatest they can ship it and im at standard shipping i must not be saying something not right.

Don't worry about it. The people you're speaking to know their stuff, and know that for pre-orders upgrading shipping does not make it arrive faster. They're doing you a favour saving you $14.

You will get your MacBook at the same time as everyone else in the same slot who called and upgraded.

 

[Trahearne]

Guys just wanna ask if the SSD upgrade from 512 to 1TB is worth it. I only have 250GB storage on my prior cMBP (replaced with SSD) and have extra 80GB of storage left now. I feel like I could get an extra 1TB SSD thunderbolt storage for the price of the upgrade... Thanks in advance for any opinions

If you have used the machine for years and still have 80GB left... well, that tells you your use pattern. If you just gonna throw media there and enjoy them at a certain place, why not simply get an enclosure and get large HDD or SSD at a cheaper price?

 

[iizmoo]

how come everyone has been able to get the next day shipping? i call or chat and they tell me its the fatest they can ship it and im at standard shipping i must not be saying something not right.

Don't call too soon. Wait like a week before your ship date. If you call too early, just sound like you're whining and asking for a freebie

 

[IndigoDesign]

I'm sorry. Did you read his post?

Whom is this Macbook marketed to?
Who do you think is complaining about the 16 GB tops?

I guess it's professionals.
I think the "normal people" who get a PRO for style and fun don't complain as much, most of them might not even know what "a RAM" is.

What I want to say is, arguing about the behaviour of customers of a Macbook PRO by saying "UNLESS they're a professional" is a moot argument because I believe most complaining customers indeed ARE professionals.

 

[JPNFRK7]

I think the "normal people" who get a PRO for style and fun don't complain as much, most of them might not even know what "a RAM" is.

 

[iizmoo]

Now, let have it slowly turning over an open fire pit, with garlic.

 

[elephantstone]

Aww Gawd.
I'm a professional layouter generating HUGE indesign files of catalogues and magazines. I need fast processors and RAM. Also ask any software and web developer with several browsers with many tabs open at once or running virtual machines for test purposes how quick you're out of RAM. And don't bring the argument "the average user doesn't do that kind of thing" - THAT's the POINT. It's supposed to be a PRO machine. Average user my ass. This should be a workhorse!

I'm a web developer and I've never had a problem on the crappy ancient laptop my work have given me with 2GB RAM...

And if you really absolutely need a workhorse, the Mac laptops are not what any reasonable dev should be going for let's face it. They get enough criticism for their spec that I think everyone realises.