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My only complaint on my 13inch 8gb ram early 2015 rMBP is the ocassional spinning beach ball on Safari. Never have resolved it. Not sure if an i7 2017 16gb ram will fix that.
I have the same exact laptop. No, sounds like a software problem, or a broken disk. Nothing in Safari should be processing that much unless you're on some experimental HTML5 site.
 
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I just sold my 13" Touch Bar 5 days prior to WWDC for €1600 which I used for 7 months and now added €280 on top and order the 2017 version with student discount. I think it's worth to spend roughly around €300 a year to get yourself the newest MacBook.
When I was a hardcore gamer, I used the spend roughly around €800 a year to upgrade my GPU, CPU, and motherboard for my gaming rig. For sure the MacBook is a cheaper option for me. Additionally, you can buy yourself a USB type c/Thunderbolt 3 monitor and you got yourself an awesome student/science machine.

Totally agree with this. Either pay $2500 every 5 years or $500 per year and have a new machine each year!!!
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What is the price difference between maxed out 15" 2016 vs. 2017?
$0
 
We are with you. This BS updating stuff has got to stop. It's time to get a petition going to have Tim Cook and Apple rescind these updates until more time has passed, at least another six months, but preferably twelve months. If we can get Apple to roll back these updates, then the next step is to get a commitment to slow down future updates as well. I am worried that there is already talk from Intel about the next generation being out soon. If we don't unite, Apple is likely to screw more people by updating the line yet again!

Here, you dropped your /s.

Glad to see Apple seems to be taking the Mac seriously again. Where are all the people in those other threads who were saying these Kaby Lake processors aren't any faster and that Apple shouldn't bother with them?

Kaby Lake isn't much faster, as long as you don't underreport the Skylake numbers like the article writer did. I'd never advocate for not moving to newer processors though, even if it is an incremental update.
 
I had to buy the 2016 MBP (15" Touchbar) in December, my 2012 machine graphics card failed and I couldn't wait. Very happy with my new machine, and maybe several years from now I'll get a new one. In the meantime, I'll depreciate this one...
 
I installed the High Sierra beta on my 2012 mac mini and it asked be if I wanted to convert to APFS (was a check box) I said yes and all my stuff was still there.

Do you have some info on what apps (if any) apfs breaks? Do adobe programs still run fine?
 
Do you have some info on what apps (if any) apfs breaks? Do adobe programs still run fine?

So far all I've used is chrome and VLC, it's hooked up to my tv so I mainly use it for streaming. But I can toss CS6 on it if you'd like me to test it out. hasn't crashed yet but it seems to log you out after being asleep for awhile. previous betas have done that but get fixed down the road.
 
Well it can't really be used for much else unless it's constantly plugged in. Or well, you could watch iTunes videos on it for hours! Then again, why would you waste an expensive laptop on something even the cheapest iPad can do (for longer).
You seem salty buddy
 
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Man so many are so salty because they made a bad decision and purchased the worst MacBook Pro since 2008.

1. When the 2016 MBP was released it was already outdated.

2. 8 months is not a short upgrade cycle. You can argue these machines should have been released two months ago.

3. Apple heard the complaints and finally released a MacBook Pro worth purchasing.

5. For those that can wait, CoffeeLake is going to be an even more dramatic upgrade. 30% improvement over KabyLake, 32GB LPDDR RAM support, the biggest iGPU leap to date and probably additional power savings.
 
By the time my 17" Core2Duo dies, Coffee Lake should be coming around to give us a mini MacBookPro with a 4-horse engine.

I have a use for a big 17" or larger, with a display big enough to look at all day long, or a tiny 13" or smaller for maximum portability that can then power a coupl big external displays. Either way, they both need some proper power. The 15" has the power configurable, but has neither a big enough display, nor the portability to be that mobile. The 13" is better on mobility but its power is too limited, and they still don't have a 17" professional workhorse.

Really, with the 11" Air being discontinued instead of upgraded, to position iOS as the ultimate mobile solution, a beefed up 17" 4K display squeezed in a stiff MacBook Air-shaped body with room for two SSD's would be ideal.
 
Man so many are so salty because they made a bad decision and purchased the worst MacBook Pro since 2008.

1. When the 2016 MBP was released it was already outdated.

2. 8 months is not a short upgrade cycle. You can argue these machines should have been released two months ago.

3. Apple heard the complaints and finally released a MacBook Pro worth purchasing.

5. For those that can wait, CoffeeLake is going to be an even more dramatic upgrade. 30% improvement over KabyLake, 32GB LPDDR RAM support, the biggest iGPU leap to date and probably additional power savings.

You know there's not much difference between the 2016 and 2017 MBP's right?
 
The price difference between maxed out 15" 2016 vs. 2017 isn't $0. Pay attention that previously you should pay extra $200 for top GPU but now it goes with a stock model, so you pay nothing for it. So the price difference would be $200
 
I'm still glad I waited for the 2017, should be delivered June 16th. I'm mostly happy that the gpu will be a bit faster and hopefully this fixes some of the lag I was getting on the 2016 MBP. I also can't wait for High Sierrra on this new Kaby Lake system.
I can't wait for the late 2017 model to come out just in time for Christmas.
 
Did anyone notice that the key caps on option and control have changed? It weirded me out for a second when my new 13" arrived today.
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Actually only up to 16.67% slower... percentages are weird

16.666666666667%

Fixed that for you. ;)
 


On a model-vs-model basis, the benchmark results suggest the 2017 MacBook Pro with a 2.9GHz processor is up to 13 percent faster in single-core performance, and up to 19.7 percent faster in multi-core performance, than the equivalent 2016 MacBook Pro model. Its price remains unchanged at $2,799.

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There's only one Geekbench result for the new 15-inch MacBook Pro's base configuration with a 2.8GHz Core i7 processor, but the benchmarks suggest that model is up to 9.5 percent faster than the equivalent 2016 MacBook Pro equipped with a sixth-generation 2.6GHz Core i7 processor.

Article Link: 2017 MacBook Pro is Up to 20% Faster Than Last Year's Model in Benchmarks

Yes, but notice what happens when you compare the 2016 BTO to the 2017 Base:

It's a 6920HQ at 2.9GHz versus a 7700HQ at 2.8GHz. The scores are nearly identical. Also notice how the clockspeeds are nearly identical. The ~100 points could be within the margin of error or due to slight architectural improvements in Kaby Lake, or both. But: this more or less proves that Kaby Lake hasn't changed very much from Skylake and how Intel is sitting pretty (and scrambling because AMD is about to have the upper hand once again with Ryzen and Threadripper).
 
I don't settle for anything less than GTX 1070/1080 Max-Q performance these days.
Too bad Apple is hung on AMD graphics.

Waiting for the coming crop of Max-Q thin design laptops.
I don't care about eGPU, unless they can prove it is not bottlenecked vs full desktop version.
Besides don't want to pay twice for a GPU.
 
It's still too thin. Give me one with a proper keyboard, more expansion ports (you can shove dongles where the sun doesn't shine), a matte screen option and 64GB RAM and then I'd buy it. For £3k I want it to be functional not look pretty.

Proper keyboard? I would not want to go back to the old style keyboard at all.
[doublepost=1496892794][/doublepost]I bought a new Honda last year. This year they came out with a new one. Feels like a slap in the face.
 
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Those 2016 scores are lower than what we have been posting in forums. The config in the middle scores around 4500/14500. In other words, the actual expected difference is much lower than what you are posting.

My late 2016 15" Model (maxed out) scores up to 4586 Single-Core and 15410 Multi-Score.
 
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