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2017 MacBook Pro is Up to 20% Faster Than Last Year's Model in Benchmarks

Hoosier317 said:
Gaming laptops are simply tools for virgins who like to advertise it.
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Ha ha ha ha.......what does that make apple laptops? Hipster virgins?

There is no worse user at "Advertising" than one sporting an apple product lol
 
shaunp said:
It's still too thin. Give me one with a proper keyboard, more expansion ports (you can shove dongles where the sun doesn't shine), a matte screen option and 64GB RAM and then I'd buy it. For £3k I want it to be functional not look pretty.
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http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/prod...6IjMyRzI0MDAiLCJQcmljZSI6NDAwLjB9XX1dfQ%3D%3D

Here. You can buy an Alienware that is thick, has a big keyboard, and has more power than any MacBook. It also weighs three times the MacBook.

Many options if you don't want a MacBook. Apple does not have a monopoly on laptops.
 
Polyphonie said:
That's just the CPU. There are other things like SSD/RAM I/O performance which the mid-2012 15" rMBP just won't be able to keep up. The NVMe/PCIe SSD is a lot faster and with lower latency than the SATA 3 SSD in the old rMBP (Apple moved to PCIe with the late 2013 model moved to NVMe from AHCI with the late 2016 models).

If your compare the SATA3 SSD performance to the current NVMe/PCIe, we're looking at a jump from around 400 MB/s read and write to over 2GB/s. That's a huge gain.

Then there's the GPU. The GT650M is old and can't run most of the games released in the last two years.

Plus there's Thunderbolt 3 which allows you to add external GPU and brings the performance of the MBP up another notch or two. That's not possible with the mid-2012 model. And I'm speaking as someone who also has been running the mid-2012 model for the last 5 years. This year is the first year when my rMBP starts to feel slow.
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True. But for normal tasks, general user tasks there isn’t a strong argument for spending how much we have to spend in Canada on these new macs. It’s crazy.

The 2GB/s speed isn’t taken advantage of for those kinds of tasks and a mid 2012 non retina MacBook Pro with a sata 3 ssd will boot up and launch programs like safari, pages, one note in similar times

Of course, that is thrown out of the window for professionals who will be using that read write speed when layering complex tracks or editing 4K videos, editing photos, programming etc


But for people like myself who surf the net or use office suite and pretty much that (even light development), work stuff aside, a 2012 rMBP will keep up just fine.

Processing power is really adequate these days, yet we have become a society obsessed with geekbench scores and the like. A good friend of mine who has produced some pretty incredible stuff, was using a mid 2010 MacBook Pro with a core 2 duo chipset until last fall when he upgraded.

He’s the one who drilled into my mind that we really have more power than we need for most tasks.

Now granted, he isn’t a high end video editor or photo editor or works in graphics, but he’s a pro with music and for music, any 2012 onward high end Intel chip coupled with an ssd is way more than enough grunt.

So to that end, for most mass market users, myself included a MacBook from 2012 is still very capable
 
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I am massively happy that I have purchased the mid 2015 15" MBP maxed our. At least I do not look like an idiot with dongles and got a great performane.
 
triton100 said:
That 20% upgrade sounds a lot however I can guarantee you would barely notice any difference whatsoever in real world use compared to your computer.

I would look at it in a different way. All these people had to wait 8 months for such an incremental upgrade that they will barely notice while you have had an incredible computer for 8 months.

You were the one who made the right choice. Not them.
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And said early adopter will be in a better position to justify getting the next redesigned model the moment it's released, say 2020, as they've spent the full 4 years rocking that model. Like being on the non plus iPhone cycle. Thanks for that.
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GoldenJoe said:
For real. This is one of my favorite features. All my old Windows laptops eventually had their power ports go from too much use. There's no way I'm risking that on a $3K machine.
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Lucky that you'd have 4 power ports on the 2016/17, so if one goes it'll still soldier on.
 
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csurfr said:
Did anyone notice that the key caps on option and control have changed? It weirded me out for a second when my new 13" arrived today.
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16.666666666667%

Fixed that for you. ;)
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16.6666666666667%

Fixed that for you. ;)
 
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T'hain Esh Kelch said:
You should be glad you didn't live in the 90's when Mac updates were done every 6 months on a regular basis.

I am also sorry to hear that your machine doesn't work for what you bought it for anymore. :(
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It wasn't even that long ago. Up until like 2006 they were pretty consistent. But it wasn't to much of a deal back in the day because it would be years between from like 256mb ram to 512mb and all they would do is bump the processor from a g3 1.50ghz to 1.60ghz and add 5gb to the HD going from 5gb to 10. Lol sweet times
 
T'hain Esh Kelch said:
You should be glad you didn't live in the 90's when Mac updates were done every 6 months on a regular basis.

I am also sorry to hear that your machine doesn't work for what you bought it for anymore. :(
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Yeah, I imagine that many that are upset re: this update would have completely lost it when Apple went from the IIVX -> the Centris 650... Now THAT was a huge update in a short time period.. I was lucky, I couldn't afford to buy until a few months after the 650 was announced.. had been looking at the IIVX...

I'm still waiting for a MBP update that doesn't force buyers to put up with such a POS keyboard in a "Pro" laptop. Give me a thicker case w/ a better KB as a BTO option, for the love of god.. sigh.. In the meantime, I'll hope my 2012 MBP keeps running.


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not worth an upgrade, typically you need to wait 6 years to get a computer that has great battery life, improved cpu and gpu that will be great for day to day tasks. It is too expensive to buy it for gaming and most games are not supported. Apple killed major pro applications, one must look somewhere else.
 
I am praying my early 2011 15" lasts until the next major update. Just started again with the graphics glitches last week, so fingers crossed. Don't do anything intense and back up regularly . . .
 
apple will put in coffee lake end of this year ... that will be the biggest boost... no point in buying now.
 
jwdsail said:
I'm still waiting for a MBP update that doesn't force buyers to put up with such a POS keyboard in a "Pro" laptop.
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You are going to wait forever in that case.

You should give it a chance, it is actually quite good as soon as you get used to it. The old MBP keyboard is horrible when you finally try it again.
 
krfr said:
I'm so glad I bought mine six months ago when it previously took them three years to update.... what a slap in the face...
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Just out of curiosity, why weren't you feeling screwed 6 months ago when you bought a Macbook not much more faster than a maxed out 2014 MBP? I did the benchmarks, and the performance is pretty much the same for all practical purposes.
 
alexballvideos said:
Those 2016 numbers aren't what I see. The real upgrade is the on chip 10bit H265 decode imho, the rest is moot, at least on the 15".
My middle spec (with GPU upgrade) 15" 2016 ~ i7 2.7/500GB/16GB/460 PRO 4GB

Single ~4300 and multi ~14700.
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/3050191
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Thank you! I'm glad at least a few people are realizing the 2016 numbers Macrumors posted are bogus.
 
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krfr said:
I'm so glad I bought mine six months ago when it previously took them three years to update.... what a slap in the face...
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what?

So because YOU bought a new macbook pro, everyone else who didn't should wait another 3 years, so you don't feel slapped in the face?

Oh my, you poor human being, will you be ok? Should we get you some biscuits and milk?
[doublepost=1496907051][/doublepost]Still no 32gb RAM. :(
 
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T'hain Esh Kelch said:
You should give it a chance, it is actually quite good as soon as you get used to it.
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While I'm happy you enjoy the new style keyboard I could never agree with that statement. I've been typing all my life, I know keys with a long travel work best for touch typing. I shouldn't have to "get used to it" just because Apple decided their machines look cooler if they're thin. Apple should serve the needs of their customers not the customers bowing down to Jonny Ive's latest fetishism.
 
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