There is some sort of clause that if a team has no engine supply one of the existing suppliers (those with fewest customers?) have to supply. So I think right now that's Renault?
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There is some sort of clause that if a team has no engine supply one of the existing suppliers (those with fewest customers?) have to supply. So I think right now that's Renault?
Mercedes won’t want to. And RB won’t want to go back to Renault. Ferrari are a dog. It’s all very awkward.
Unless they can do a deal with Mercedes or Ferrari they will drop onto the rules. And I believe this would result in Renault. Although I think they will game the rule:
Right now the engine manufactures are split:
Mercedes: 3 Teams
Ferrari : 3 Teams
Honda : 2 Teams
Renault : 2 Teams
So when Honda leave that leaves 2 teams looking for supply. If AlphaTauri take Renault voluntarily (and come to an acceptable deal that Renault agree to) then all the manufacturers are on the same number of teams. At that point I'm not sure which would have to supply RB. Maybe a random selection?
The other possibilities are that Red Bull supply their own engines. They have talked about this before. They could buy the assets from Honda: the engine plant is just up the road from MK. Or they leave the sport!
I'm not sure why Mercedes would be pleased. The sport is dying.
Red Bull had talked about leaving in the past. Should that happen, this thing is over.
Red Bull had talked about leaving in the past. Should that happen, this thing is over.
Agreed. So sad to read this morning. Honda’s progress was one of the few things keeping me interested in this ever stagnating class of Motorsport.
Even my favorite IMSA is fading away to a degree. At least Indy Car is still somewhat entertaining.
History will show the past 5-6 year V6 Turbo days as a low point in F1 history. Today’s champions will always have an Asterisk after their names as far as I’m concerned.
McLaren is returning to Mercedes power next year, so Renault power will only be on the Factory Team so Red Bull and Alpha Tauri can both go back to Renault power in 2022.
Compared to what’s to come it might be considered a high point. The sport has always been dominated by one team for a while. An improved RB would make it interesting for sure.Agreed. So sad to read this morning. Honda’s progress was one of the few things keeping me interested in this ever stagnating class of Motorsport.
Even my favorite IMSA is fading away to a degree. At least Indy Car is still somewhat entertaining.
History will show the past 5-6 year V6 Turbo days as a low point in F1 history. Today’s champions will always have an Asterisk after their names as far as I’m concerned.
Because one team absolutely nailed it and built superb cars year after year? Do you have an asterisk next to all other dominant teams over the years?History will show the past 5-6 year V6 Turbo days as a low point in F1 history. Today’s champions will always have an Asterisk after their names as far as I’m concerned.
Like 1988-1991 when McLaren Honda dominated or do we count that out because of the romantic characters involved?History will show the past 5-6 year V6 Turbo days as a low point in F1 history. Today’s champions will always have an Asterisk after their names as far as I’m concerned.
Or Ferrari in the Schumacher years. There’s always a best car to be in. The second best car isn’t that far away. But the best car plus the best driver and team (usually for strategy), means it’s been a dominant time.
Not what we want, but I’d not take anything away from Lewis. Still one of the best we have ever seen. The numbers don’t lie
I agree with @Glideslope, but not because of the dominance. For me, it’s because I think today’s cars are big, ugly, terrible sounding pieces of crap.
Plus, the rules are, too.
Plus, the rules are, too.
Sort of on the same topic about Lewis and his place in history, Jackie Stewart makes some comments about how it's hard to know how good someone is when the car is so dominant. I don't think you can really compare that era to today anyway but some valid points I think will enter people's minds when all is said and done. Still a few years for Lewis to go, maybe he will find himself amongst greater competition in the years ahead.
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Stewart: You can't compare Hamilton to greatest-ever Fangio
Six-time Formula 1 world champion Lewis Hamilton remains below Juan Manuel Fangio and several other greats in the pantheon of great F1 drivers, according to Sir Jackie Stewart. A three-time champion in his own right, Stewart says Hamilton’s success – with him about to close on Michael...
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For me, it reads like that's written whilst drinking a glass of sour grapes.Sort of on the same topic about Lewis and his place in history, Jackie Stewart makes some comments about how it's hard to know how good someone is when the car is so dominant. I don't think you can really compare that era to today anyway but some valid points I think will enter people's minds when all is said and done. Still a few years for Lewis to go, maybe he will find himself amongst greater competition in the years ahead.
Stewart: You can't compare Hamilton to greatest-ever Fangio
Six-time Formula 1 world champion Lewis Hamilton remains below Juan Manuel Fangio and several other greats in the pantheon of great F1 drivers, according to Sir Jackie Stewart. A three-time champion in his own right, Stewart says Hamilton’s success – with him about to close on Michael...
Of course the two eras are different, but I 100% disagree with him saying there is less pressure nowadays. No-one, especially Lewis, can even breathe a word without a journalist waiting to pick apart every little thing said. The same can be said of Max, Seb and Fernando.
Put Fangio in a modern day car and see how his neck would be able to withstand the G forces of a full race. How well would Fangio have coped with the demands of sponsors and the press?
Different era, different technology, different pressures sure, but in no way a different type of king of the sport.
It's a completely pointless to compare drivers from different eras. Who knows if Fangio was the best, maybe, maybe not. Irrelevant question with an impossible answer.
A different pressure for sure. But modern F1 drivers are a lot less likely to die than the early hero’s. Truth is unless you have 2 drivers doing a lap in exactly the same car at the same time you will never know who is quickest.
Not saying I agree that todays drivers should have the *, but
1988 - title went down to the wire.
1989 - title almost went to the wire, but we know what happened
1990 - McLaren vs Ferrari, title almost went to the wire, but we know what happened
1991 - McLaren vs Williams, title almost went to the wire, but Mansell spun
Whilst the McLaren Honda was the dominant car in 88 and 89, there was still a title battle both of those years. In 90 and 91 the McLaren did not dominate - Ferrari and Williams could've won the titles.
I firmly believe Lewis does deserve his titles (as does Mercedes) but the current situation is nothing like 88-91. It's possibly closer to 01-02 + 04. One team dominating and only having 1 driver in that team good enough to win titles.
1988 - title went down to the wire.
1989 - title almost went to the wire, but we know what happened
1990 - McLaren vs Ferrari, title almost went to the wire, but we know what happened
1991 - McLaren vs Williams, title almost went to the wire, but Mansell spun
Whilst the McLaren Honda was the dominant car in 88 and 89, there was still a title battle both of those years. In 90 and 91 the McLaren did not dominate - Ferrari and Williams could've won the titles.
I firmly believe Lewis does deserve his titles (as does Mercedes) but the current situation is nothing like 88-91. It's possibly closer to 01-02 + 04. One team dominating and only having 1 driver in that team good enough to win titles.
We’ve had 4 different winning drivers this year but it’s clear Mercedes have developed the best package over recent years. It annoys me when people suggest a driver doesn’t deserve his titles because he’s employed by a team who have done the best job. Sure it’s dull for fans watching the same team dominating but that isn’t the drivers fault, nor does it suggest they lack the talent because the machinery is superior to the rest of the field.
In regards to Mercedes we have not seen Bottas run Hamilton to the wire yet in exactly the same car. Good drivers tend to maximise the potential as we’ve always seen. Schumacher, Senna, Alonso, Hamilton have all dominated teammates regardless of what the car is capable of. It’s why they will always be so highly regarded in the history of the sport.
In regards to Mercedes we have not seen Bottas run Hamilton to the wire yet in exactly the same car. Good drivers tend to maximise the potential as we’ve always seen. Schumacher, Senna, Alonso, Hamilton have all dominated teammates regardless of what the car is capable of. It’s why they will always be so highly regarded in the history of the sport.
Agreed even the best car needs to be driven correctly to win. Lewie's got the knack. And I often feel a little sad for Bottas, and we fans, when I see the margin of victory at some events.
I'd forgotten about Gasly's win... so yeah 4 winners...
I'd forgotten about Gasly's win... so yeah 4 winners...
Max will be in the Silver Arrow in 2022. Hopefully it will be like the Rosberg days. If I'm still watching by then.
I think Mercedes have the best driver and the best car. That’s why they have been so dominant.
Often the best drivers aren’t in the best cars.
Sometimes the drivers are closer in ability. Sometimes the cars are closer in performance.
At the moment there is really only Max on the grid that could give Lewis a run for his money right now. Totto doesn’t want that headache in his garage. But when Lewis decides to hang up his gloves, I’m sure he’ll be replaced by him. Possibly in exchange for Mercedes engines in RBR.
Often the best drivers aren’t in the best cars.
Sometimes the drivers are closer in ability. Sometimes the cars are closer in performance.
At the moment there is really only Max on the grid that could give Lewis a run for his money right now. Totto doesn’t want that headache in his garage. But when Lewis decides to hang up his gloves, I’m sure he’ll be replaced by him. Possibly in exchange for Mercedes engines in RBR.
I think you can take a racing driver from any era and the mindset is absolutely the same. They want to win as much as they can and be the best of their generation. The technology is the only element that is vastly different and makes it impossible to compare abilities between era’s.
We see much more of the personalities in the sport and behind the scenes stuff compared to just 10 years ago. I don’t know how you can say the championships won now deserve to have an asterisk next to them like they are somehow inferior to any other era because that is complete tripe. I’d love to hear further elaboration on why you think that is.
I wouldn’t take the position that today’s drivers are inferior.
Yes, there were days when Prost and Senna were dominant in their Honda’s. But to compare their skill sets required to manage and win in such raw, explosive machines is a stretch as far as I’m concerned.
Todays drivers are far mor about switching settings, waiting for the engineers to touch buttons on their displays and such.
Prost and Senna won their races through nothing but raw talent riding a wild bull every lap.
It was a different generation.
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