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The NFL said the game would not be played this week, and there have been no schedule changes to week 18 so far.

They could elimnate the Pro Bowl week, move all the playoffs (except the Super Bowl) back a week (only one week break until the Super Bowl, instead of the normal two) and play the Buf-Cin in week "19" that would be created.

I wonder if they will wait and see if this game actually needs to be played. If the Bills lose to the Patriots (long shot, but given what all happened, it is possible) and the Chiefs beat the Raiders and Cincinnati beats Baltimore, then this game becomes irrelevant.
 
I wonder if they will wait and see if this game actually needs to be played. If the Bills lose to the Patriots (long shot, but given what all happened, it is possible) and the Chiefs beat the Raiders and Cincinnati beats Baltimore, then this game becomes irrelevant.

I normally don't comment on the NFL, because I believe most people here know how I feel about the NFL! But with this incident coming up, I have to, especially as it brings back memories of what happened in the AFL (Australian Rules Football) in 2015. I bring it up because while I'm aware of the incident, I did see some comment about how to continue, which is what brought this up.

A bit of backstory. There was a player who became a coach in 2014, named Phil Walsh. He finished his career, and subsequently became an assistant coach at the West Coast Eagles, then moved to be assistant coach at the Port Adelaide Power, before landing the senior coach job at Port Adelaide's crosstown rival, the Adelaide Crows. Needless to say that with the experience he gained, Walsh was loved by all three clubs.

Into his second year as senior/head coach, there was some sort of family argument between his family and his son. Long story short, his son came back to his parents house, and ended up killing his father, Phil. This was 2 days before Adelaide was to play Geelong, which also had not only playoff implications but league MVP implications. The AFL ended up taking the move to cancel that game (which was supposed to be played in Adelaide), and opened the field up as a place for the fans to just enjoy being together, grieve, mourn, and remember the coach. As the league goes off of a points system to determine places on the ladder, they awarded 2 points each to Adelaide and Geelong, as if the game ended in a tie. For the rest of the games that week, at the end of each game, both teams (18 team competition) got together at the center of the field, and had a moment of silence for Walsh.

What made it harder for the Crows players - outside the fact that they had to replace their coach for unbelievable conditions - was that their next game was against West Coast, which Walsh was coach there; the week after that was a Showdown: crosstown rivalry against Port, which Walsh was coach there. Adelaide lost that match against West Coast, but it didn't matter; the what mattered was that they made it back out there and played their asses off for their coach. They did win the Showdown, which again, was a tearjerker.

I bring this up, because it was mentioned that there is no precedent for what to do if a game is canceled in the NFL, and I'm surprised (but not surprised) that there isn't. They now need to seriously think about this, just like they thought about the hubs/bubbles they had for COVID. But for something like this, including the guy that left that very same field paralyzed (and thankfully has relearned how to walk), you'd have thought that the NFL would have SOMETHING.

BL.
 
I bring this up, because it was mentioned that there is no precedent for what to do if a game is canceled in the NFL, and I'm surprised (but not surprised) that there isn't. They now need to seriously think about this, just like they thought about the hubs/bubbles they had for COVID. But for something like this, including the guy that left that very same field paralyzed (and thankfully has relearned how to walk), you'd have thought that the NFL would have SOMETHING.


I remember that. And Mike Utley as well. They didn't cancel or suspend either game.

And yes, you would think they would already have some type of protocol for this.

But right now I am leaning on the side of ESPN's reporting that they players were told they had 5 minutes to warm up to continue the game. Props to both coaches who said Hell No! The NFL seems to be in CYA mode.

Great story. Sometimes sport brings out the best in people.
 
im still trying to get over this tragic sport footage from the 80's
 
I think the coaches were right in making the call to refuse to play, because none of the players from both sides were in any mindset to play after what they witnessed. But to call the game from that time would be a bit cruel, because no one knows if Buffalo would have come back or won.

Conversely, it would be just as cruel to replay the entire game, because the situation would have changed. Both the decision to replay and the decision to call the game at that point sets a bad precedent.

Because of the lack of forethought for any situation like this, there is no clear or clean way out of this that both teams be happy with.

BL.
 
Someone get me up to speed.
Was this game during the playoffs or does it just have playoff implications?

BL.
 
I think the coaches were right in making the call to refuse to play, because none of the players from both sides were in any mindset to play after what they witnessed. But to call the game from that time would be a bit cruel, because no one knows if Buffalo would have come back or won.

Conversely, it would be just as cruel to replay the entire game, because the situation would have changed. Both the decision to replay and the decision to call the game at that point sets a bad precedent.

Because of the lack of forethought for any situation like this, there is no clear or clean way out of this that both teams be happy with.

BL.

They don't have to restart the game, the rosters would be frozen to what they were Monday, and the game would resume later.
 
But the #1 seed is at stake. Not only all home playoff games, but you get a bye the first week, you don't play, everyone else does. Its a huge advantage and this was a huge game.

There would be a way out.

A fair solution would be to award them both a #1 seed, and give them both home playoff games and the bye. Assuming that there are 8 teams in their conference, it wouldn't hurt any team at that point. The only thing I could see that could pose a problem is if they are a week behind the other conference playoffs, as that could push back the Super Bowl. Small price to pay for an incident like this.

And I'd think it's a safe bet to say that Hamlin will not be playing the rest of the season; the saving grace there is that it isn't like the AFL, where only those that take the field on Grand Final day get the premiership medallion; if someone played all or part of the season and is out injured, they don't get it. In the NFL they do, so if the Buffalo makes it through and wins, he gets the championship ring.

BL.
 
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Someone get me up to speed.
Was this game during the playoffs or does it just have playoff implications?

BL.

It has seeding implications.

Currently Buffalo is the #1 Seed over KC. And Cincinnati is the AFC North Division leader and sitting at #3.

But KC could pass Buffalo for #1 and Baltimore could pass Cincinnati for the AFC North depending on the outcome of the Buffalo/Cincinnati game as well as next weeks games. This could cost Cincinnati a home game if they fall into the WC.

As I posted earlier, there is a scenario where this game does not matter. If the Patriots beat the Bills, the Chiefs beat the Raiders and the Bengals beat the Ravens, this game does not matter. But if any of those games go a different way, this game matters.

And Cincinnati is still alive for the #1 Seed as well, but they need the victory over Buffalo to get it. And if all 3 teams finish at 13-4, Cincinnati is the #1 Seed based on head-to-head wins against both.

The #1 Seed is the important thing here because it means a Bye week. And both teams have a shot at it. Cincinnati dropping to a WC isn't the worst thing because they would most likely be the #5 Seed and play either the 9-8 Jags or the 8-9 Titans. It would just mean they have to travel. Got to say playing in Jacksonville in January might not be that bad. ;)

There would be a way out.

A fair solution would be to award them both a #1 seed, and give them both home playoff games and the bye. Assuming that there are 8 teams in their conference, it wouldn't hurt any team at that point.

The problem is only 7 teams make the playoffs in each conference. So only the #1 team gets the Bye.
 
It has seeding implications.

Currently Buffalo is the #1 Seed over KC. And Cincinnati is the AFC North Division leader and sitting at #3.

But KC could pass Buffalo for #1 and Baltimore could pass Cincinnati for the AFC North depending on the outcome of the Buffalo/Cincinnati game as well as next weeks games. This could cost Cincinnati a home game if they fall into the WC.

As I posted earlier, there is a scenario where this game does not matter. If the Patriots beat the Bills, the Chiefs beat the Raiders and the Bengals beat the Ravens, this game does not matter. But if any of those games go a different way, this game matters.

And Cincinnati is still alive for the #1 Seed as well, but they need the victory over Buffalo to get it. And if all 3 teams finish at 13-4, Cincinnati is the #1 Seed based on head-to-head wins against both.

The #1 Seed is the important thing here because it means a Bye week. And both teams have a shot at it. Cincinnati dropping to a WC isn't the worst thing because they would most likely be the #5 Seed and play either the 9-8 Jags or the 8-9 Titans. It would just mean they have to travel. Got to say playing in Jacksonville in January might not be that bad. ;)



The problem is only 7 teams make the playoffs in each conference. So only the #1 team gets the Bye.


Hmm.. I see. I'm trying to see how this compares to how Aussie Rules goes. In the AFL, the top 8 teams out of 18 make the finals/playoffs. Of the top 8, the top 4 get a double chance in the finals. How it works:

Week one​

  • 1st Qualifying Final: 1st ranked team hosts 4th ranked team.
  • 2nd Qualifying Final: 2nd ranked team hosts 3rd ranked team.
  • 1st Elimination Final: 5th ranked team hosts 8th ranked team.
  • 2nd Elimination Final: 6th ranked team hosts 7th ranked team.
The eight finalists are split into two groups for the opening week of the Finals Series. The top four teams have the best chance of winning the premiership and play the two Qualifying Finals. The winners get a bye through to Week Three of the tournament to play home Preliminary Finals, while the losers play home Semi-Finals in Week Two. The bottom four teams play the two Elimination Finals, where the winners advance to Week Two away games and the losers' seasons are over.

Week two​

  • 1st Semi-final: Loser of 1st QF hosts winner of 1st EF
  • 2nd Semi-final: Loser of 2nd QF hosts winner of 2nd EF

Week three​

  • 1st Preliminary Final: Winner of 1st QF hosts winner of 2nd SF
  • 2nd Preliminary Final: Winner of 2nd QF hosts winner of 1st SF

Week four​

  • Grand Final: Winner of 1st PF meets Winner of 2nd PF.

In the case of the NFL, it sounds like only the top seed gets a bye while the remaining 7 play it out (I believe a wild card comes in for this as well, but I'm not sure where). In this case, if both get the bye, I'd bring in a second wildcard (if able). That brings the teams to 8. Those 8 play it out, 8 becomes 4, 4 becomes 2. Those two play the Bengals and the Bills. positioning for that is based on who lead the game at the time it was suspended.

That way, both teams get the bye, and both still have to earn their way through to the Super Bowl.

Something similar to that, if possible.

BL.
 
IMHO they definitely need to finish this game up at some point...
The Bills and Cincy will be tied at 12-4 if Cincy wins and the Bills lose. If the Bills win or if Cincy loses then the seeding is locked in. I'd say just give the players their game checks and call it a day.

The NFL does have a conundrum. What happens if the Bills win and KC loses? Who will be the #1 seed? The Bills would need to make up the Cincy game, but when? if they play on the 14th then they don't get a bye (if they become the #1 seed).

Home field to a degree also plays into the equation, not just the bye. Does Cincy travel to Buff if both make it past the wild card weekend? Big difference playing in Buff in January then Cincinnati
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In the case of the NFL, it sounds like only the top seed gets a bye while the remaining 7 play it out (I believe a wild card comes in for this as well, but I'm not sure where).

The NFL has been slowing expanding the playoffs for years. What started out as 5 teams from each Conference is now 7.

So you have the 4 Division Winners. They get a home game no matter what. So even though the Ravens & Chargers & will finish with a better record that the winner of the AFC South, they will still go on the road.

The first weekend of the Playoffs is the Wild Card Weekend. In the old days, the WC teams played each other for a slot in the main draw. But now the 3 WC's play the #2 - #4 Seeds. The #1 teams gets a week off. So after this weekend, there are 4 teams left in each Conference. That is why the #1 seed is so important. Gives the guys a week to rest and heal up a bit.

The second weekend is know as the Divisional Round. The 3 winners from the WC round and the #1 Seed then play with the 2 highest seeds getting home games. Unlike the NBA, the NFL reseeds the Playoffs weekly.

The third weekend is the Conference Championships. The two remaining teams play at the higher seeded team for a chance to go to the Superbowl.

Clear as mud now, right? ;)
 
The NFL has been slowing expanding the playoffs for years. What started out as 5 teams from each Conference is now 7.

So you have the 4 Division Winners. They get a home game no matter what. So even though the Ravens & Chargers & will finish with a better record that the winner of the AFC South, they will still go on the road.

The first weekend of the Playoffs is the Wild Card Weekend. In the old days, the WC teams played each other for a slot in the main draw. But now the 3 WC's play the #2 - #4 Seeds. The #1 teams gets a week off. So after this weekend, there are 4 teams left in each Conference. That is why the #1 seed is so important. Gives the guys a week to rest and heal up a bit.

The second weekend is know as the Divisional Round. The 3 winners from the WC round and the #1 Seed then play with the 2 highest seeds getting home games. Unlike the NBA, the NFL reseeds the Playoffs weekly.

The third weekend is the Conference Championships. The two remaining teams play at the higher seeded team for a chance to go to the Superbowl.

Clear as mud now, right? ;)
Nice explanation.
 
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Looks like Jim Harbaugh may be jumping ship and leaving Michigan. I really do think the school did him dirty when they forced him to take a massive pay cut a few years ago or be fired. They have since renegotiated a more equitable contract but that was demeaning.

Rumors are have swirled around possible landing spots including Denver and Carolina. I think the latter makes more sense. He has a proven track record of improving QBs, they have a good defense and have opportunities to improve the team. Denver on the other hand, has no first round draft picks, pretty tight on the salary cap. How coachable will Wilson be at his age - seems rather arrogant and he's? How meddlesome will the new owners be? Basically a lot more question marks for Denver then Carolina. There's also Indy.
 
Looks like Jim Harbaugh may be jumping ship and leaving Michigan. I really do think the school did him dirty when they forced him to take a massive pay cut a few years ago or be fired. They have since renegotiated a more equitable contract but that was demeaning.

Rumors are have swirled around possible landing spots including Denver and Carolina. I think the latter makes more sense. He has a proven track record of improving QBs, they have a good defense and have opportunities to improve the team. Denver on the other hand, has no first round draft picks, pretty tight on the salary cap. How coachable will Wilson be at his age - seems rather arrogant and he's? How meddlesome will the new owners be? Basically a lot more question marks for Denver then Carolina. There's also Indy.

Yeah, I can't see Harbaugh playing well with meddlesome owners.

Carolina certainly looks like a better landing spot. And yes Michigan did him dirty.
 
Looks like Jim Harbaugh may be jumping ship and leaving Michigan. I really do think the school did him dirty when they forced him to take a massive pay cut a few years ago or be fired. They have since renegotiated a more equitable contract but that was demeaning.

Rumors are have swirled around possible landing spots including Denver and Carolina. I think the latter makes more sense. He has a proven track record of improving QBs, they have a good defense and have opportunities to improve the team. Denver on the other hand, has no first round draft picks, pretty tight on the salary cap. How coachable will Wilson be at his age - seems rather arrogant and he's? How meddlesome will the new owners be? Basically a lot more question marks for Denver then Carolina. There's also Indy.
Denver does have a first round pick. We traded Bradley Chubb to the Dolphins and got a first round pick for 2023.

Would love to see Harbough in Denver.
 
Looks like Jim Harbaugh may be jumping ship and leaving Michigan. I really do think the school did him dirty when they forced him to take a massive pay cut a few years ago or be fired. They have since renegotiated a more equitable contract but that was demeaning.

Rumors are have swirled around possible landing spots including Denver and Carolina. I think the latter makes more sense. He has a proven track record of improving QBs, they have a good defense and have opportunities to improve the team. Denver on the other hand, has no first round draft picks, pretty tight on the salary cap. How coachable will Wilson be at his age - seems rather arrogant and he's? How meddlesome will the new owners be? Basically a lot more question marks for Denver then Carolina. There's also Indy.

If this is true, at least he was able to finally beat that team from ohio... :)
 
Looks like Jim Harbaugh may be jumping ship and leaving Michigan. I really do think the school did him dirty when they forced him to take a massive pay cut a few years ago or be fired. They have since renegotiated a more equitable contract but that was demeaning.

Rumors are have swirled around possible landing spots including Denver and Carolina. I think the latter makes more sense. He has a proven track record of improving QBs, they have a good defense and have opportunities to improve the team. Denver on the other hand, has no first round draft picks, pretty tight on the salary cap. How coachable will Wilson be at his age - seems rather arrogant and he's? How meddlesome will the new owners be? Basically a lot more question marks for Denver then Carolina. There's also Indy.
I'd forgotten about that...

I love him at U of M though. Seems so right.
 
Denver does have a first round pick. We traded Bradley Chubb to the Dolphins and got a first round pick for 2023.
Interesting. I looked here: https://www.tankathon.com/nfl and while it does show that Denver has a 1st round pick, it's actually is SF's
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More interesting is that the Miami Dolphins forfeited their first round draft
Dolphins lose 2023 first-round draft pick, owner Stephen Ross suspended following independent investigation of integrity of the game violations

So yeah, they actually do have a draft pick, sadly its at the bottom because its 49er's
 
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