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Add a 1080p camera and this will be the best computer for 95%+ of the general population.
I don’t find anything wrong with the present 720p camera in the present M1 MBA. If there was some option to use the camera from an iPhone or iPad that would nice as an option.
 
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I would say that the pattern is pretty clear - the first M1 MBA and MBP 13 were "transitional" models with the M1 put in old-style housings. The 24" iMac, the first ground-up Apple Silicon design, shows the new "Design Language" for consumer machines - multi colours with white bezels & keyboard - and now the M1 Pro/Max MBPs show the design language for "pro" machines - space grey or silver with black bezels/keyboard.

...except, as the article points out, the notch messes up the whole idea of the white bezel, because you can hide a black notch against a black bezel by making the "ears" black (i.e. no light emitted) but it's harder to hide a white notch against a white bezel by making the ears white, because you're trying to mimic reflected light with emitted light. In dark/fullscreen mode you'd need a honking great white light-emitting bar at the top of the screen, and in light mode, on the desktop... well, the notch would be less prominent than a black one, but it's not going to disappear.

Ho hum... no the notch is not important in the great scheme of things, but that doesn't stop it being stupid.

If you white bezel notch, you have a black camera "blemish" very tangibly showing in that notch of white. For all the arguments made against the hole punch vs. notch, the white bezel with notch would seem to be the worst of both worlds: notch and very visible hole punch. If notch foretells FaceID, white bezel with notch would need more of that for the whole FaceID setup. So my guess is that if notch spreads across everything, those white bezels might be a one-off and the next iteration of 24" iMac returns to black bezels.

Else, if we are going to have visible black camera(s) in a strip of white, perhaps the hole-punch option IS the better option: why frame the camera holes with blank color- white or black- when "even more screen" could be viewed with hole punch(es)?

I'm not necessarily arguing FOR hole punches, just pointing out that the argument of us getting "extra screen" thanks to the notch seems like it would be strengthened by the hole-punch approach delivering "even more extra screen."
 
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That’s what it seems like :(
Well miniLED is active in only specific scenarios so not sure how beneficial ProMotion will be for the masses. I find nothing wrong with the scrolling on present M1 MBA, would it be nice to have; sure. Am I willing to pay extra for it; no.

My 11” iPad Pro has it and I navigate through the UI/UX in a different manner compared to my MBA so I notice it depending on what I am doing.
 
Revolutionary! I wonder what other colors are going to be offered now. Welcome to the notch era of the Mac!

What about the Pro-Motion?

I guess we won’t be able to fit the new MacBook Air in an yellow envelope anymore. It’s going to get thick!

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If the MacBook Pro is any indication, it won’t be any thicker, but will have a uniform thickness. The original MacBook Air was larger than the current version.

Note that the current MacBook Air is actually slightly thicker than the 13” MacBook Pro at its thickest point. My guess is that instead of a taper, it will be a uniform ~0.4” thick.
 
can they lose the stupid air name already? its so irrelevant in 2021. just call it the MacBook and have it come in different price points like they do with the pro. save the confusion
Why drop the Air name when they finally will make it thin and light next year?
 
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We’ll see. I loved using the M1 MBA, but not its the lack of cooling. That said, as a writing and light consumption machine, a M2 MBA could be nice (especially if it comes in that exact red hue in the render (I miss my Project Red iPod Nano.))
 
I would say that the pattern is pretty clear - the first M1 MBA and MBP 13 were "transitional" models with the M1 put in old-style housings. The 24" iMac, the first ground-up Apple Silicon design, shows the new "Design Language" for consumer machines - multi colours with white bezels & keyboard - and now the M1 Pro/Max MBPs show the design language for "pro" machines - space grey or silver with black bezels/keyboard.

...except, as the article points out, the notch messes up the whole idea of the white bezel, because you can hide a black notch against a black bezel by making the "ears" black (i.e. no light emitted) but it's harder to hide a white notch against a white bezel by making the ears white, because you're trying to mimic reflected light with emitted light. In dark/fullscreen mode you'd need a honking great white light-emitting bar at the top of the screen, and in light mode, on the desktop... well, the notch would be less prominent than a black one, but it's not going to disappear.

Ho hum... no the notch is not important in the great scheme of things, but that doesn't stop it being stupid.
Yes I agree. Consumer products (24" iMacs/MBA) will have a white bezel/pastel color theme. Pro machines (27" iMac update/MBP) are more aimed at professionals and keep the black bezel/dark color theme.
 
I have 2017 Macbook 12" and I am more than happy with it. Fanless and quiet 4 years already. It's perfect except in summer it's overheating so it's thermal throttling. Little bit of more power would not hurt and better than 480p camera would be excellent.

Apple, if you give me M2 Macbook with 12.5-12.7" display in the same size of Macbook 12" with one more USB-C/TB4 and keeping the audio jack I will be happy till the end of the days. It would be ultimate and ideal leisure, CEO's and lady laptop. And for anyone for who 13.3" M1 Air has small display do 15". I know it'll not happen in 2022. Wishing at least for such M3 Macbook in 2024 with Apple 5G integrated in SoC. ❤️
 
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Since gaming on the Mac is pretty much nonexistent and my professional workflow is text-based, I have no interest in massive amounts of CPU or GPU power, but a 15" Air with a ProMotion display would be an instant buy for me. I'd settle for the 13", but if they don't bring the 120Hz display to the cheaper machines I think I'm going to look into switching to Windows, as much as that thought fills me with creeping dread.

Scrolling through large amounts of text is part of my job, but it also makes me kind of queasy after a while. Having a screen with a faster refresh rate and lower response times helps, which is why I use my (aging) iPad Pro for everything I can, but some things I do require the Mac, and I don't always have my external monitor handy, so if I could buy a notebook with a ProMotion screen without also having to buy a massively expensive CPU/GPU combo that would be totally wasted by my workflow, that would be just awesome.

Apple used to sell the 15" machines without the fancy dGPU for those of us who had no use for it. It sure would be nice if they'd get back to that.
 
Agree - it's not impossible, but the Air vs. low-end Pro was already a marginal upgrade. All the MBP model can do is add a fan and bigger battery so it can offer slightly better performance - but then the M2 is probably going to be even more power efficient.

An alternative might be 8- and 10-core GPU options that push the higher end Airs into the ~$1600 price range vacated by the old 4-port 13" MBP.


The M1 Pro and M1 Max are still going to spank the M2 on multicore and GPU-heavy tasks, which is what they're really aimed at. Some of the M2's claimed single-core performance could also be "spent" on underclocking it a bit to improve power consumption.

Also look at the lag between M1 and M1 Pro - about a year. Even if M2 came out tomorrow (not a serious possibility) I doubt Apple will be announcing M2 Pro and M2 Max until at least this time next year...
I’m sure the first round of chips took longer to develop too. I’d be surprised if we saw the M2 before next Fall, mainly because of chip shortage and frankly the M1 is still selling well and spanking the competition.

I’d be shocked if we saw M2 Pro/Max variants prior to Spring 2023, or 18 months from today. There is clearly pent up demand, and Apple will retain the performance crown for a while now. Maybe we’ll see a cheaper M1 variant MBP 14” with a mid-cycle refresh (cheaper storage / RAM upgrades or standard BTO changes), but this was a big upgrade that will hold us over for a while.
 
I would not count on gaining any ports on the Air. They seem to be intent on keeping it thin and light. You might see an SD card if they redesign the 13” MBP. That one doesn’t have a good fit right now. If they kept it on the same SOC as the Air but added ports and pro motion, that might justify calling it a Pro but keep it cheaper than the 14” Pro.
In my opinion at this point, the 13” M1 MBP doesn’t make sense. It offers essentially negligible performance over an equivalent M1 MBA while costing more. You don’t get any additional performance options on the MBP vs MBA. If you want a ‘Pro’ machine, buy the new 14” or 16”.
 
I have the M1 Air and an 11” 2018 iPad Pro. So far, I haven’t seen anything in the newer iPad Pros that would be enough reason to upgrade. The new screen might be nice, but the current screen is still really good. Performance is still never an issue for the 2018 so I don’t see what the M1 brings to the table. Maybe if they did some big upgrades to iPad OS that really used the power of the M1, it would be worth considering an upgrade. After getting the M1 Air, my iPad Pro has become mostly a movie and couch surfing buddy.
Yeah I should’ve specified I am holding out for the next generation iPad Pro, not the current generation with the M1. And I agree although the M1 iPad Pro has an impressive display and performance there’s nothing in iPadOS to take advantage of it therefore I also don’t see any reason to upgrade my 2018 12.9. And yeah, I’m actually loving my M1 MacBook Air. It has been an absolutely phenomenal little computer.
 
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I'm not necessarily arguing FOR hole punches, just pointing out that the argument of us getting "extra screen" thanks to the notch seems like it would be strengthened by the hole-punch approach delivering "even more extra screen."
Or just keep the bezel, turn on "auto hide menu bar" in any version of MacOS since forever and get back the same screen real estate that you get by having "ears" (which isn't the same as the height of the notch because it's pretty clear from the pics that they've had to increase the height of the menu bar to fill the "ears").

Sorry, but the whole notch idea is just stupid, even if it isn't a deal-breaker.
 
I actually like the wedged design, much nicer on the wrists.

It's actually worse ergonomically to pitch the keyboard down like that, and you shouldn't literally resting your wrists on the edge.

Never had an issue myself with any variant of MBP cutting into my wrists. If this is an issue it's time to practice better typing hygiene.
 
You know how Apple works. Gotta let the supply chain drain out what is left of the blasted ole 2017-2020 MacBook Air shell, so 2022 makes sense for a refresh hopefully by WWDC time.
 
As long as it still comes in Space Gray with slim back bezels (not restricted to happy-fun colors and white bezels a la iMac), I am all in.
 
I actually hope they keep the Touch Bar in the Air it’s great for media consumption and I personally like it and leave the function keys in the pro (or I’m good having the option or maybe the half function key + Touch Bar would be cool). I feel like I don’t really need all of that GPU power for photo editing from the pro (I’m not batch processing a lot of images and I don’t have a full frame camera with massive files) and I also wasn’t a fan of the I guess I’ll say apparent thickness of the pro machines (but glad that they did it for the power those things are amazing but again I don’t think I need it). So add it all up and I’d be good with them just adding mini LED to a similar design to the last MBP and I guess shrink it if they want but I think prior generation size was fine, throw a M2 chip in it, leave the Touch Bar and if we could also get the MagSafe, 2/3 thunderbolt 4 and SD card slot that would be pretty great machine and perfect for me.

I’d want it in green with white keys and none of that black keyboard business but agree if they are doing the notch it needs to be black bezel and I hope they have an option to force that menu bar to black. I think it will actually look pretty good if the bar is black and you just have information and menu icons up there but I really don’t dig the look with the blue or light colored menu bars. I’m glad they are considering the mini LED because that will be great for movies and content and I get the lack of pro motion and yeah it would be great but then that’s what the 14” pro is for. I will say I do hope we get the high impedance headphone out too because I don’t think it’s just pros that are appreciating nice headphones these days and with Apple’s recent focus on lossless music it would be nice to provide this for everyone.
 
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THIS is an idea. How about this? Come spring, they update the MacBook Air as you've said, and at the same time, update the current 13" MBP to the 14" MBP with new unibody without promotion. Both with m2.
What is the reason to keep the old 13" MBP or upgrade it to a 14"? The 13" MBP was a stopgap until the real MBP's arrived a year later that's why it only changed the CPU/GPU nothing external. The current 13" MBP is dead and will not be upgraded since it no longer serves a purpose.
 
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