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It was an old school butt whipping, and the rest of the league, especially in the AFC, should take notice.

Allen and Burrow can be good, if not great and can score a lot of points, but Mahomes is even better than them, so until their teams able to stop him, as the Eagles did, they'll still continue to lose to the Chiefs.

The upcoming draft is said to be rich in D-line talent (QB, not so much), so coming off this game, I imagine what's old will become new again.

If you think of how Brady’s Patriots would have responded, it would have been going to short, quick-release passes from the pocket. I didn’t see any of that flexibility in the play book of the Chiefs, and I think that is a shortcoming in the coaching. They had just one game-plan, relying on Mahomes’ ability to scramble out of the pocket and keep the play alive.

The other thing is, if the Eagles can stop the Chiefs, what about other teams stopping those offences built around a great quarterback. There have been great defensive teams, maybe some enterprising little team will be able to put some solid runs together.

The other thing I found notable was that the Chiefs defence fell way short of the mark. In other recent Super Bowls the defence had been one of their strengths, but this was notable for an array of Eagles receivers making good plays.
 
It has nothing to do with believes, but with objective statistics and prediction models in specified confidence intervals. You can train and run your own models if you're into that kind of thing and see what the outcome it.

The interesting part is, that the Eagles defense was really good. Funny enough, they played exactly the same defense that the Buccs did when they won the SB against the Chiefs. Surprised to see that strategy still worked years later.

There are different types of penalties. Throwing a flag with the right call. Throwing a flag when it should not have been thrown. Throwing a flag and making the wrong call, e.g. offensive pass interference when it was a defensive one. And then there are situations when a flag should have been thrown, but wasn't. The later can't even be challenged and doesn't show up in any official statistics. If you include these in statistics, the Chiefs are among the most penalised teams in the NFL.

There have been several of these in the game, especially of the last kind. Those lead to new first downs of the Eagles. They would have been out otherwise, giving the Chiefs offense a new chance and the defense a chance to rest. You could see they were already dead tired towards the end of the second quarter, simply due to time of possession as a direct result of flags or lack thereof.

Then there is the lack of baseline to make such calls. The unnecessary roughness call never should have been one, it was a regular fight for the ball (no player had the chance to catch it). There was no risk of injury at all. When this is not called in other games, why is it called now? And why was it called in favor for the Eagles new first down? So, maybe that's how the refs call this thing in this particular game. But when Mahomes arm was hit for a fumble and the ball was long gone, he received a late hit in the facemask, causing his head to move back (risk of neck injury) and falling on his back with the risk of his head hitting the ground (potential concussion). So why is one called, the other is not? 20 years ago, they just would have let them play it out without any flag. That's fine, but as a ref, you can't have different baselines for calls in the same game or at least you should not.

There was a similar situation during an Eagles snap. The Chiefs player moved, a flag was thrown for neutral zone infraction. One of the close up video feeds clearly shows that the center moved his fingers/hand and the defense player reacted to it. Based on the games in the regular seasons, this would have been a false start. With modern NFL rules, the center is not allowed to do this. Again, 20 years ago, the center could have danced around before the snap and it would have been fine. Different baseline from different refs for different games.

Stuff like that should not happen. There need to be clear definitions and baselines for penalties. This got worse and worse the past few years. And as I said before, the technology exists to do this automatically and also catch all the things the refs on the field don't see (or don't want to see). The NFL just doesn't want it and makes claims the technology doesn't work. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...news/nfl-claims-technology-cant-spot-the-ball. This has been proven to be wrong over and over. First time I got in touch with such technology was in the Kumar lab at UPenn, ages ago. I've since used similar technology in my own lab. Technology is there, it works. The NFL wants the human component to make the decisions, ironically it's the one that makes the most mistakes, due to different baselines, because they can't see everything or due to bias. And that's what can cause a game to go one way or another. Several international commentators have said the refs must be joking and keep bringing up the question why technology isn't used, not just in the SB game, but the past few years.

And to be honest, there are only a handful of good games throughout a full season. The rest is just wondering about the refs. The NFL is nice for me, for statistics, detection- and prediction-models. So in other words, because of the math. As for sports, I'd much rather watch the NHL, but too many games at bad times and impossible to follow for me. The sunday games of the NFL are perfect for me, but for sports it's a clown show these days. I'll watch a few NHL playoff games and hopefully the finals and hope that the Oilers will finally make it this year. They really deserve it, just like the Niners in the NFL.
bitter much?
 
The Eagles defense was outstanding: 6 sacks & 3 turnovers one of which was a pick-six.

The Chiefs defense sold out to stop Barkley, which they did. However, they couldn’t stop Hurts either throwing or running.
 
There are different types of penalties. Throwing a flag with the right call. Throwing a flag when it should not have been thrown. Throwing a flag and making the wrong call, e.g. offensive pass interference when it was a defensive one. And then there are situations when a flag should have been thrown, but wasn't. The later can't even be challenged and doesn't show up in any official statistics. If you include these in statistics, the Chiefs are among the most penalised teams in the NFL.
That's interesting. If "no calls" are not included official statistics, where are the unofficial statistics for every team that allows this conclusion?
 
An interesting graphic/statistic was mentioned during the game, that said 10 years ago the average player weighed 245 lb, and now it’s up to 330 lb. I have to wonder if this increased weight reduces the viable length of the career of the football linemen, and maybe their lives? Saw a KC guy leave the game early with a brace on his knee. You get bigger, but do your bones or your heart, to support the extra bulk? I’m thinking no. 🤔
That's KC's best defender, the one man game wrecker and the reason they won the SB last year [IHMO;)].

Definitely more--exponentially more--strain on the joints as weight increases. My knees hurt a lot more now than when I was 50lbs lighter.
 
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That's interesting. If "no calls" are not included official statistics, where are the unofficial statistics for every team that allows this conclusion?
On your GPU cluster, that you feed every video stream from every game for analysis… unfortunately. The NFL could easily do it.
 
If you think of how Brady’s Patriots would have responded, it would have been going to short, quick-release passes from the pocket. I didn’t see any of that flexibility in the play book of the Chiefs, and I think that is a shortcoming in the coaching. They had just one game-plan, relying on Mahomes’ ability to scramble out of the pocket and keep the play alive.

The other thing is, if the Eagles can stop the Chiefs, what about other teams stopping those offences built around a great quarterback. There have been great defensive teams, maybe some enterprising little team will be able to put some solid runs together.

The other thing I found notable was that the Chiefs defence fell way short of the mark. In other recent Super Bowls the defence had been one of their strengths, but this was notable for an array of Eagles receivers making good plays.

They did try the quick pass at the start the game, and the opening drive of the second half, which was also quick tempo, but didn't stick with it. The remarks from each coach relayed by the sideline reporters before the second half started suggested that the Chiefs thought they had the right plan, but weren't being successful due to mistakes and such, not because they were being out coached. And out played. That sealed their defeat.

Fangio and the Eagles had the right game plan to stop…the Chiefs.

But even among teams that run similar schemes, and have good players able to execute the plays, they'll still be different. There are still too many variables that can affect the results.

Also important to remember that the Chiefs trailed in both of their prior SB wins, against the Eagles and 49ers, and had to stage come backs to win. They didn't dominate either game, and certainly not in the fashion the Eagles did in this game, which left them too far away to sniff another one. Time can also be another enemy, as the Lions discovered against the Commanders.

All credit to the Eagles, who came back a better, and better prepared team this time.

A professional analysis.

Despite the lop-sided nature of the game, or maybe because of it, or whatever reason that can be conjured up, the ratings were good.

Dak says his 'boys can play with the Eagles, and are "very close,", so next year will be their turn. But about the 15 other opponents you play during a season…? 😆
 
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That's KC's best defender, the one man game wrecker and the reason they won the SB last year [IHMO;)].

Definitely more--exponentially more--strain on the joints as weight increases. My knees hurt a lot more now than when I was 50lbs lighter.
At the rate Mahomes was scrambling to try to get plays off, and sacked multiple times, I was like ether his offensive line failed him or the defense line was completely superior.
 
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Makes me think he is going to opt for retirement....
That's the rumor. Let's face it, I think he wanted the 3-peat and then say goodbye. He's 35 now, 36 next season, he's a Tight End, not a QB or kicker. Gronk is 35 and long retired. How long can a TE play? His brother retired at the same age. There's probably a marriage on the horizon too. Brady pushed on playing, look what it did to his marriage.

Chiefs lost SB LVI against the Buccs 31-9. Then paused a year to come back in SB LVIII (vs. Eagles) and won, followed by another win (vs. Niners). So I think if they can make a comeback next year, Kelce will stay another year to retire after a SB win. If it takes them two years, he'll retire now. And that depends on the Chiefs and what players they get in the off-season. They need to improve the O-line, need one good wide receiver (way down the field, not short/mid passes) and improve on the defense to support Chris Jones.
 
Saw this clip from the game on Reddit. Bottom of the screen Kelce is just standing there while Mahomes is scrambling around trying to find someone.

Kelce is keeping a defender, #42, occupied and away from Mahomes. In effect, he's blocking a defender.😏
Despite the lop-sided nature of the game, or maybe because of it, or whatever reason that can be conjured up, the ratings were good.
The ABC--Anyone But the Chiefs--fans tuned in to see the Chiefs get their [perceived] comeuppance. I tuned in in the middle of the 2nd quarter. And only because a buddy called telling me the Chiefs were getting beaten like a rented mule.
 
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The ABC--Anyone But the Chiefs--fans tuned in to see the Chiefs get their [perceived] comeuppance. I tuned in in the middle of the 2nd quarter. And only because a buddy called telling me the Chiefs were getting beaten like a rented mule.
Guilty as charged. 🤣
 
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Could is not has. You have no data for your conclusion. It's just speculation.
Thank you for spreading lies about me. I/We (me and my research group) have all the data needed. It is a very interesting computer vision problem. It's running on a cluster that is in the Top500. Each single node running with 128 CPU cores (2x AMD EPYC), 1TB of RAM and 8 Nvidia A100. Connection is HDR-100 and 2x 10 Gigabit Ethernet (depending on node). That's connected to a 6 PB storage system, divided into low-volume I/O and high-volume I/O. Jobs are Scheduled with Slurm of course, as usual.

Similar experiments are run for soccer games (which I have very little interest in).

So just because you lack the ability to do it, doesn't mean others can't do it. The nice thing is, no one ever has to rely on information from others. Everyone can do their own experiments and draw conclusions based on data.

EDIT: And for anyone interested and getting started in the field, this is a good entry point for general scene understanding in videos: http://moments.csail.mit.edu.
Same group behind this: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/flop-foul-using-ai-detect-dives-football-keegan-lensink/ (very old).
Plenty of papers out there, not just for soccer, but also football (NFL). Quick Google Scholar search will result in tons of reading material.
 
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So you do have data. Have you shared it with the media? They're always up for a good "gotcha" story.
We have contacted the NFL a while ago and demonstrated it (as did others). Time will tell what happens. The data is from NFL streams (all, not just broadcasted on TV).

Fighting on two fronts, the NFL doesn't want it and the general public thinks it's evil and made up due to their lack of education and knowledge. Heard the rumor, this AI stuff is creating robots that will wipe out mankind. You never know what you get, lizard people from outer space ruling over us or an evil robot army. ;)
 
We have contacted the NFL a while ago and demonstrated it (as did others). Time will tell what happens. The data is from NFL streams (all, not just broadcasted on TV).

Fighting on two fronts, the NFL doesn't want it and the general public thinks it's evil and made up due to their lack of education and knowledge. Heard the rumor, this AI stuff is creating robots that will wipe out mankind. You never know what you get, lizard people from outer space ruling over us or an evil robot army. ;)
I think you're one of them...
 
… the NFL doesn't want it and the general public thinks it's evil and made up due to their lack of education and knowledge. Heard the rumor, this AI stuff is creating robots that will wipe out mankind. You never know what you get, lizard people from outer space ruling over us or an evil robot army. ;)
Well, it does sound like yet another conspiracy theory. That's what I thought about your initial post because there was no detailed information. I'm still a skeptic, but you now have me intrigued.
 
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