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I expected more from Carroll. History shows he's a slow starter in new gigs, but not that slow…so he's probably a goner.

But whether he's there or not, the need to continually tear down and rebuild a franchise indicates deeper issues that are very difficult for a coach to solve alone.

You know the old saying about insanity…
It runs in the Davis family...?
 
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I expected more from Carroll.
While I'm not a fan of his, this season is a complete surprise to me. I think everyone expected more from the raiders with Carroll running the show.

I really like those Steeler uniforms from last night.
It sure beats this monstrosity.
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I expected more from Carroll. History shows he's a slow starter in new gigs, but not that slow…so he's probably a goner.

But whether he's there or not, the need to continually tear down and rebuild a franchise indicates deeper issues that are very difficult for a coach to solve alone.

You know the old saying about insanity…
As much as I hate to say it, time to move on from Max get as many picks as you can for him and build a new team, fresh start clean out the front office and clean out all the coaches, we need a 100% reboot
 
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I came away from this past week's game with a firmer sense of how the next three weeks are going to play out and thus the playoff picture. First, New England is going to lose to the Ravens and the Dolphins, finish as the fifth seed and play Pittsburgh at Accrisure. Drake Maye is not a cold-weather qb, and Josh Allen is. The Bills are going to the Super Bowl to play the Rams. That's my take, anyway. The Raiders don't have an identity, a coherent strategy or a sense of their fan base: Is it tourists? Vegas residents, former fans in Oakland, the world-wide Raider nation???? Who do they listen to? The owner, Tom Brady? The GM (who the hell would that be?) They hired the oldest head coach in the league when everyone else is going younger and more player-centric former players? They don't have a quarterback or draft strategy. And, yet so long as the Jets are around....
 
I came away from this past week's game with a firmer sense of how the next three weeks are going to play out and thus the playoff picture. First, New England is going to lose to the Ravens and the Dolphins, finish as the fifth seed and play Pittsburgh at Accrisure. Drake Maye is not a cold-weather qb, and Josh Allen is. The Bills are going to the Super Bowl to play the Rams. That's my take, anyway. The Raiders don't have an identity, a coherent strategy or a sense of their fan base: Is it tourists? Vegas residents, former fans in Oakland, the world-wide Raider nation???? Who do they listen to? The owner, Tom Brady? The GM (who the hell would that be?) They hired the oldest head coach in the league when everyone else is going younger and more player-centric former players? They don't have a quarterback or draft strategy. And, yet so long as the Jets are around....
The Raiders fan base isn't like it once was in Oakland as a season ticket holder for both, Oakland fans were so much more passionate than any of these "Las Vegas" fans, 2nd sometimes it seems like Davis doesn't really care about the team because he's getting that out of town money from visiting fans who actually show up way more than the Raiders fans so why would he care he's still making tons of money on other teams fans, 3rd coaching and GM's etc. they like the "big" names old school people for some odd reason, look at every other team we are the only team who just stays bad year after year
 
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The Raiders fan base isn't like it once was in Oakland as a season ticket holder for both, Oakland fans were so much more passionate than any of these "Las Vegas" fans, 2nd sometimes it seems like Davis doesn't really care about the team because he's getting that out of town money from visiting fans who actually show up way more than the Raiders fans so why would he care he's still making tons of money on other teams fans, 3rd coaching and GM's etc. they like the "big" names old school people for some odd reason, look at every other team we are the only team who just stays bad year after year
Bring back Gruden! :D
 
As much as I hate to say it, time to move on from Max get as many picks as you can for him and build a new team, fresh start clean out the front office and clean out all the coaches, we need a 100% reboot

It's difficult when a team has a repeated stream of coaches/GMs, each with their own philosophies.

Carroll has a proven record of success, but doesn't seem to have a good coherent strategy, and what worked in Seattle with a journeyman QB in Smith has bombed in LV. This season has been a disaster, but do you bet on giving him more time, or the heave ho?

Give him the boot, and the cycle starts over (and over) again, and nobody is gettin' any younger.

You have to have attained some level of success (or be a nepo baby, cough) to be in position to buy and own a big sports franchise.

But it's a very desirable club to be in, because the dirty little secret is that the leagues take care of all their owners, and being an owner doesn't mean that a team has to be successful on the field to make money.

Taken to extremes, you have franchises like the A's who fell into the wrong hands, and made a disgrace of the franchise, esp. compared to the prior ownership and their success in the late 80s.
 
The Raiders fan base isn't like it once was in Oakland as a season ticket holder for both, Oakland fans were so much more passionate than any of these "Las Vegas" fans, 2nd sometimes it seems like Davis doesn't really care about the team because he's getting that out of town money from visiting fans who actually show up way more than the Raiders fans so why would he care he's still making tons of money on other teams fans, 3rd coaching and GM's etc. they like the "big" names old school people for some odd reason, look at every other team we are the only team who just stays bad year after year

Ah yes, the Raiders, who having left their Oakland domicile with leaking sewage facilities, have continued to stink none the less.

But first some history (from wikipedia, whom I donated $26 today, and you should too)

When the team was founded in 1960, the Oakland Tribune held a name-the-team contest. The winning name was the Oakland Señors.[134] After a few days of being the butt of local jokes (and accusations that the contest was fixed, as Chet Soda was fairly well known within the Oakland business community for calling his acquaintances "señor"), the fledgling team (and its owners) changed the team's name nine days later[135] to the Oakland Raiders, which had finished third in the naming contest.[136]

Chet Soda hired a well-known sportswriter, Gene Lawrence Perry, as the first Director of Public Relations.[137] Perry (who was hired in 1959 as the first front-office hire) commissioned an unknown Berkeley artist and asked that a logo be created which included a helmeted man with an eye-patch, with the firm chin of a Randolph Scott,[138] a well known Western film actor. The new owners had their newly minted Raiders logo, a pirate wearing a football helmet with an eye patch on a gold football background with two white swords in black trim with gold handles crossed behind the football.

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The original Raiders uniforms were black and gold with Gothic numerals, while the helmets were black with a white stripe and no logo. The team wore this design from 1960 to 1962. In a very rare move, the jerseys displayed the player's full name on the back, before being pared down to only the surname in 1963. When Al Davis became head coach and general manager in 1963, he changed the team's color scheme to silver and black, and added a logo to the helmet. This logo is a shield that consists of the word "RAIDERS" at the top, two crossed cutlasses with handles up and cutting edge down, and superimposed head of a Raider wearing a football helmet and a black eye patch covering his right eye. Over the years, it has undergone minor color modifications (such as changing the background from silver to black in 1964), but it has essentially remained the same.

Notable Raider Performances
During the 1975 AFC Championship game, Raiders strong safety George Atkinson delivered a hit on Pittsburgh wide receiver Lynn Swann, which left him concussed. When the two teams met in the 1976 season opener, Atkinson again hit Swann, this time with a forearm to the head, causing yet another concussion. After the second incident, Steelers head coach Chuck Noll referred to Atkinson as part of the "criminal element" in the NFL. Atkinson filed a $2 million defamation lawsuit against Noll and the Steelers, which he lost.[172]

.... Oakland was then beaten 35–3 by Pittsburgh on November 21, 2010; this game brought out the roughness of the rivalry's 1970s history when Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was punched by Raiders defensive end Richard Seymour following a touchdown.

The rivalry between the Raiders and New England Patriots dates to their time in the AFL, but was intensified during a 1978 preseason game, when Patriots wide receiver Darryl Stingley was permanently paralyzed after a vicious hit delivered by Raiders free safety Jack Tatum.

While based in Los Angeles, the team hosted New England in the divisional round of the playoffs in 1986. The game was won by New England and marred by a chaotic rumble between the teams in the end zone as players were leaving the field after the game. The brawl was especially notable for Matt Millen attacking Patriots GM Patrick Sullivan with his helmet.

The New York Jets began a strong rivalry with the Raiders in the AFL during the 1960s that continued through much of the 1970s, fueled in part by Raider Ike Lassiter breaking star quarterback Joe Namath's jaw during a 1967 game (though Ben Davidson was wrongly blamed),[178] the famous Heidi Game during the 1968 season, and the Raiders' bitter loss to the Jets in the AFL Championship later that season.

Battle of the Bay​

The San Francisco 49ers, located on the other side of San Francisco Bay, were the Raiders' geographic rivals during the Raiders' time in Oakland. The first exhibition game, played in 1967, ended with the 49ers defeating the AFL Raiders 13–10. After the 1970 merger, the 49ers won in Oakland 38–7. As a result, games between the two are referred to as the "Battle of the Bay".[185] Since the two teams play in different conferences, regular-season matchups happen only once every four years. Fans and players of the winning team could claim "bragging rights" as the better team in the area. On August 20, 2011, in the third week of the preseason, the preseason game between the rivals was marked by fights in restrooms and stands at Candlestick Park, including a shooting outside the stadium in which several were injured.

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1) Oakland was never going to be a possibility. The decaying facility was not getting replaced and still hasn't been.

2) David really killed attendance after the return of the Raiders to Oakland with 10 year PSLs (not permanent) and attendance and revenue sucked until that was reversed.

3) Yeah, management. Sue happy Al David lost it mentally and a bunch of dumb decisions (Jamarcus Russel, Darrius Heyward-Bey (memories of Willie Gault clouding his mind, Robert Gallery). You can argue it hasn't gotten any better under his son, but at least they aren't suing other teams about their uniforms

Trademark and trade dress dilution
In 1996 the team sued the NFL in Santa Clara County, in a lawsuit that ultimately included 22 separate causes of action.[215][216] Included in the team's claims were claims that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' pirate logo diluted the team's California trademark in its own pirate logo and for trade dress dilution on the ground that the League had improperly permitted other teams (including the Buccaneers and Carolina Panthers) to adopt colors for their uniforms similar to those of the Raiders. Among other things, the lawsuit sought an injunction to prevent the Buccaneers and Panthers from wearing their uniforms while playing in California. In 2003 these claims were dismissed on summary judgment because the relief sought would violate the Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution.[217]

4) Then lets not forget the genius of Callahan, coach hired after Gruden was released to go to the Buccs and the Raiders got compensation. What did he do? Step on his dick and not bother to change the QB audible calls, which had been installed by Gruden. What did Gruden do? Coach his defense on the audibles before...

the Raiders made their fifth Super Bowl appearance in Super Bowl XXXVII. Their opponent was the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, coached by Gruden. The Raiders, who had not made significant changes to Gruden's offensive schemes, were intercepted five times by the Buccaneers en route to a 48–21 blowout. Some Tampa Bay players claimed that Gruden had given them so much information on Oakland's offense, they knew exactly what plays were being called.[54][55]

Seriously watch that game again, its pretty obvious when you see the turnovers and the defensive dominance in general.

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That year's playoffs pissed me off.

My sister got married in Portland Oregon. As soon as the wedding was over I hit the road west bound, headed for the coast. I passed an Air Museum I should have stopped at, damn it, in McMinneville, the home of the Spruce Goose. I was too busy with beer and playoffs on my mind.

I headed down the PCH to Newport, home of Rogue Brewing (RIP). I went to the brewery and the tv wasn't working. It was across the bay at their public house, where I had one of every beer on tap (or at least a sample) before heading upstairs to one of their suites. They offered bed and beer. I watched the game there. I purchased a case of their double IPA (I2PA), arguably the first double IPA ever made, and put in the overhead storage on the flight home. You could do that back then.

Anyways the Steelers were playing the Titans. It came down to a last second FG in OT. It was missed but the bastard Nedney hammed it up after missing a kick. He got another attempt and made it.

After the Titans won the coin toss, McNair guided the Titans to the Pittsburgh 13-yard line, and the Titans won it on a 26-yard field goal by kicker Joe Nedney.
But it was hardly that simple.
Let me explain ...
Nedney's first field goal attempt sailed through uprights, prompting fireworks. But it didn't count because the Steelers had called a timeout.
Nedney missed his next kick, but Steelers cornerback Dewayne Washington was called for running into the kicker.
Nedney made the game-winner after that. He'd missed a potential game-winner at the end of regulation. The kick sent the Titans to the AFC Championship the following week in Oakland.
Many of the Steelers felt the running into the kicker should not have been called.
"The only thing that matters is the ref took the game from us, plain and simple," Steelers linebacker Joey Porter said after the game. "He should lose his job for that."
"For a game to be decided on that call is ludicrous," Steelers coach Bill Cowher angrily said afterward.
Nedney reflected on the sequence in an interview with Titans Online a few years ago.
"I remember thinking during the fireworks display (after the first kick), "I'd better make this kick." I got so excited to kick the game-winning field goal I pulled my head and pulled the ball really bad. It was a horrible kick, one of the worst kicks of my career. I can remember on the follow-through, looking up at the ball and watching it sail wide right and thinking, "Oh my gosh! I can't believe that I just missed," Nedney said.
"And then Dwayne Washington clipped me. And it was an instinct. It was, "OK, do I stand my ground and be a loser or do I hit the ground and take my team to the AFC Championship Game? I hit the ground and took team to AFC Championship. It's the playoffs. I did what I could do for my team."
Nedney's next kick -- what proved to be the game-winner -- set off a wild celebration, and it sent the Titans to the AFC Championship Game the following week in Oakland.
It also set off a firestorm, especially after Nedney kidded afterward he might take acting lessons after his playing career ended.
"I realized how far-reaching our sport really is when I was involved in that play,'' Nedney said. "I got hate mail from Steelers fans for a year. The same guy kept writing me letters. The following week in Oakland I hyperextended my knee and I got a letter telling me how horrible I was, and then I got another one telling me it was karma. The following September against the Raiders I tore my ACL in that game and the same guy wrote me another letter telling me "that's what happens to cheaters.
"… I got invitations to come to Pittsburgh to get my (butt) kicked."


That year Tommy Maddox was unstoppable as a QB. We had already beaten the Buccs on a Thursday Night game. I think we would have beaten them again.
 

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Too many rebuilding team fans point to the Patriots as a quick-rebuild success but they ignore how lucky they were to get Vrabel.
 
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I believe the Broncos will take the #1 seed in the AFC. We are a game up on the Patriots and have the tie breaker with 3 games left.

Not convinced that the Jags can stand up against our defense. The Chiefs game is no longer an issue. And we should also handle the Chargers.

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I believe the Broncos will take the #1 seed in the AFC. We are a game up on the Patriots and have the tie breaker with 3 games left.
I just wish we, well The Broncos had a better running game like 2015, 1998,1997.
but thing look very good as the D makes that driven ending late 4th quarter stop every game now.
Cortland Sutton has been clutch these past 3 games.
 
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