24'' LED Cinema and In-Ear Headphones Shipping Soon?

[Rocketfella]

Ok, after vegetating on this for a bit I would say that there will be a 23 or 24 display solution for Mac Pro inside of a week, if not sooner.

They won't have a situation where a large commercial or edu purchase of Mac Pros is cancelled because there is no appropriate display to purchase with it.

 

[grue]

Does the average consumer know or care about IPS? No. Does the average professional want a glossy display? No.

This display has no market, period.

I agree. This is why I'm saying it's foolish for them to kill off the ACD23. They're pandering to stupid people and trendwhores lately, and I'm curious if they just no longer care about those of us who actually need decent machines and displays.

 

[ultranoia]

I hit the panic button and ordered one of the "Discontinued" 23-inch ACDs a few minutes ago.

The order seems to have gone through, but the Order Details page lists a Dec. 26 ship date/Dec. 31 delivery date. Not sure if that's an accurate estimate or if it's just a database error and the item is no longer available.

 

[840quadra]

Display port yes. Mini display port is proprietary.

Below is a good read on this. Some of this information is hinted in the Apple Developer sites, but this article sums up the situation much more clearly.

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/10/21/apple-and-the-mini-displayport/

Mini DisplayPort is roughly as proprietary as Firewire, which, is not proprietary at all. What is not clear is wether or not Apple will charge royalty fees to use the Mini DisplayPort interface. For the record, HDMI features royalty fees for manufacturers taking advantage of that tech, were normal DisplayPort does not.

 

[Rocketfella]

I hit the panic button and ordered one of the "Discontinued" 23-inch ADCs a few minutes ago.

The order seems to have gone through, but the Order Details page lists a Dec. 26 ship date/Dec. 31 delivery date. Not sure if that's an accurate estimate or if it's just a database error and the item is no longer available.

Nice detective work. If they made a mistake this could point to a Mac Pro shipping just before Macworld/Nov or Dec announcement.

 

[Rocketfella]

Ok, maybe that's a stretch. It could just be a DVI display, but it would mean no replacement for over a month for the 23".

 

[zacman]

Mini DisplayPort is roughly as proprietary as Firewire, which, is not proprietary at all.

Firewire is an IEEE standard. Display port is a VESA standard, mini display port is Apple proprietary. That's exactly what that site says.

 

[FrankieTDouglas]

Wait... this monitor replaced the 23"? I thought it was a new monitor to be offered in addition to the normal displays???

But this 24" won't even work on 95% of the Macs in use right now.

 

[grue]

Wait... this monitor replaced the 23"? I thought it was a new monitor to be offered in addition to the normal displays???

But this 24" won't even work on 95% of the Macs in use right now.

… and it's glossy trash, so most people who would buy the 23" aren't going to consider it anyway.

 

[broncopde]

Below is a good read on this. Some of this information is hinted in the Apple Developer sites, but this article sums up the situation much more clearly.

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/10/21/apple-and-the-mini-displayport/

Mini DisplayPort is roughly as proprietary as Firewire, which, is not proprietary at all. What is not clear is wether or not Apple will charge royalty fees to use the Mini DisplayPort interface. For the record, HDMI features royalty fees for manufacturers taking advantage of that tech, were normal DisplayPort does not.

Aren't the royalty fees of HDMI part of the reason Apple decided not to go with it? Correct me if I'm wrong. If so, they have said no to paying royalty fees because we want to make another standard that we can charge royalty fees for.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

I hope the eol'd 23" ACD will be reborn at MWSF 09 along with the a revised matte 20" and 30" ACD.

If these displays go glossy as well, I can see masses of unhappy people venting their rage.

My personal assumption is that Apple will go all glossy at this point in time. That is why I ordered one of the last 23" matte Cinema Displays even so I waited for quite some time. I am happy with the display as it is and it will last me many years.

 

[grue]

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if thousands of professional users suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.

 

[840quadra]

Firewire is an IEEE standard. Display port is a VESA standard, mini display port is Apple proprietary. That's exactly what that site says.

Huh? did you even read it?

That makes calling Apple’s Mini DisplayPort “proprietary” a bit of a stretch, but it’s also inaccurate to say that Apple took the connector from the spec, when it really didn’t.

Since there is no existing Mini DisplayPort in the VESA specification, Apple is contributing something new to the emerging technology portfolio that hasn’t yet been widely adopted. Mini DisplayPort may likely be used by other PC makers because it cleanly moves video standards forward while adding significant value in size reduction.

If other PC makers follow Apple’s lead, they’ll be able to deliver better graphics on their laptops using the superior signaling protocol used by DisplayPort and the more compact port Apple itself has standardized upon. If they instead choose to use the larger, full sized DisplayPort, Mac users will only need a physical converter cable, just as many Mac users today use DVI to VGA adapters or cables.

Apple’s lead is more likely to be followed now that the company is selling such a significant portion of consumer retail laptops, with roughly a fifth of unit sales and a third of the dollars spent on laptops. Those who don’t follow Apple’s lead will simply look behind the curve.

I am fully capable of understanding that wrong, but it reads really clear to me.

Aren't the royalty fees of HDMI part of the reason Apple decided not to go with it? Correct me if I'm wrong. If so, they have said no to paying royalty fees because we want to make another standard that we can charge royalty fees for.

It is possible that they will charge for using the interface, but that would be sad if they did. I wouldn't put it past them though. Sadly, Apple's documentation is really hard to dig up on this subject. It would be nice to know if they are trying to make a new standard, or as the article says, advance it further (and hopefully keep it open).

 

[SimonTheSoundMa]

I wonder if Apple will release one minus loudspeakers and webcam.

Apple will loose a lot of sales where companies do not allow webcams. My previous university bought iMac and MacBook Pro machines minus webcams.

What also bothers me is health and safety regulations in some countries such as Sweden do not allow glossy screens.

The Health and Safety Executive in the UK recommend matte screens, it is not legal policy though.

 

[Rocketfella]

My personal assumption is that Apple will go all glossy at this point in time. That is why I ordered one of the last 23" matte Cinema Displays even so I waited for quite some time. I am happy with the display as it is and it will last me many years.

There is sound logic here...

Macbook Pro -> only glossy
therefore:
Cinema display (Pro) -> only glossy

This would be bad news.

 

[DHagan4755]

Pretty much confirmed

The 23" ACD shows as discontinued on the Apple Store for Education...

 

[Digital Skunk]

I still wonder what Mac Pro users will do if they want a 23-24 inch display. Will there be an adapter? Will there be new cinema displays for non-notebooks?

They will buy other displays. Right now the top of the list starts with NEC then goes to Eizo then LaCie who all use H-IPS panels and either pack colorimeters with their monitors or don't. I know that I am waiting and watching, hoping that the dirt cheap brand new 23" ACDs in my local store don't get sold off. I can get one for $600, which would leave me with another $600 for a second monitor, instead of the one NEC.

Yeah, the 23" ADC was an HD screen, the 24" LED is not HD?! Is this right?

Nope. Both are HD.

Anyone else think that the mini display port will be just like the ADC all over again?

Yup. Very Apple ish. Display port would have been a plus, but Apple decided for a mini display port so that the Air could have the same port as the MacBooks and MacBook Pros.

So, the Pro machine was crippled to benefit the MBA.

 

[Rondogg96]

I hope so. I'd honestly like to try out those in-ear headphones. I already have a pair of V-modas but I'm always looking for something better and affordable.

 

[avkills]

Well HP has some kick butt displays out right now; too bad they do not have one that is 30" and 2560x1600 though. But I feel my Pro level display money might end up going to HP now in the future. It certainly isn't going to go to Dell. LaCie and Eizo make some nice ones also.

-mark

 

[air-ick]

According to Apple's site, there are no adapters in the box and the list of compatible machines is very small too...

Apple doesn't include. They nickle and dime you for that stuff. I paid $30 for a mini displayport to dvi adapter because the mini dvi to dvi adapter I had from my old Macbook wouldn't work. You would think if you have a proprietary connector that the adapter would be included in the box of your $1300 Macbook. I love Apple products, but the way they do things sometimes make me wonder.

 

[Schtumple]

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if thousands of professional users suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.

Same here. Unless apple includes a mini display port to dvi connector in every box I can't see these selling well...

 

[ultranoia]

I hit the panic button and ordered one of the "Discontinued" 23-inch ACDs a few minutes ago.

The order seems to have gone through, but the Order Details page lists a Dec. 26 ship date/Dec. 31 delivery date. Not sure if that's an accurate estimate or if it's just a database error and the item is no longer available.

UPDATE: I just got a shipment notification email from the Apple Store ("Delivers by Nov. 18, 2008"), so my order did apparently go through and is on its way to me, even though the 23-inch display is listed as "discontinued." Maybe I got the last one.

 

[grue]

Same here. Unless apple includes a mini display port to dvi connector in every box I can't see these selling well...

Even if it does… yuck.

 

[sananda]

I hit the panic button and ordered one of the "Discontinued" 23-inch ACDs a few minutes ago.

The order seems to have gone through, but the Order Details page lists a Dec. 26 ship date/Dec. 31 delivery date. Not sure if that's an accurate estimate or if it's just a database error and the item is no longer available.

i also panicked and bought a 23" from the regent street store tonight.

 

[wheelhot]

Yikes, the ACD which is meant for designers is going glossy? Okay, this is bad, sad to see Apple is moving forward in terms for design quality and manufacturing but "forget" to fix the problems that will really bother people who has been using their products for a long time