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Me too. I don't care much about miniLED since as a Developer I don't benefit much from it (have a MacBook Pro 16 Max). But I don't want to miss out on 120hz.

Not sure if I should cancel my order..
Same, to an extent. I love both technologies but am a real stickler for 120Hz when I can be.

I’m considering cancelling my current order and re-placing it when delivery times are out to late May / early June. That way it’ll come in and then if Apple announces something at WWDC I’ll still be in my return window.
 
The most frustrating is for those waiting an 27" iMac as the quiet removal gives no hint as to whether a replacement is coming. The Studio display does appear to just be the iMac 5K display in a new housing ( not sure if that's why they've removed the iMac from the website as they're diverting production to the Studio Display), but costing more than the 27" iMac!
It was not a quiet removal. Apple said it in the keynote that the new Mac Studio and Display are for users looking to replace their 27" iMac..
 
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It was not a quiet removal. Apple said it in the keynote that the new Mac Studio and Display are for users looking to replace their 27" iMac..

I don't believe that's true. As I recall, it was discovered after the event that the iMac was removed.
 
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How would they include ProMotion? Thunderbolt 4 has only Displayport 1.4, thats not enough bandwidth for a 5k 120Hz display, you'd need Displayport 2.0. And that would need a new Thunderbolt version.
Thunder 4/USB 4 includes DisplayPort 2.0 Alt-Mode. That’s most likely how they would do it.

EDIT: it also means that only ASi Macs will support this display and no Intel macs will support it.
 
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RE screens in general.

Samsung or LG can make great 55 or 65 inch screens for 2 grand or so, with a fantastic spec, inc sound.

It shows it can be done. But Apple are seemingly turning more greedy if thats possible.

And changing tact with their new mass market low spec iPhone SE.
I think comments like this miss what I see as Apple's obvious corporate strategy when it comes to monitors. They do not want to be in the monitor business. They left the business long ago and tried to cede it to LG, even putting some marketing weight behind LG's 5K display. The only reason they are making monitors again was because they realized that Mac users were not getting a reasonable experience. The monitors they expected companies to make just weren't there.

Hence the Pro Display XDR. Can you imagine the Mac Pro keynote with a presenter saying "And you can pair it with the excellent 5K monitor from LG"? I can't.

And now there's the Studio Display. Whether you think it's a good value or not, it is admittedly unlike any monitor currently on the market. Again, could you imagine Tuesday's presentation with a recommendation to pair the Mac Studio with any existing monitor?

If you think Samsung or LG's 55 or 65 inch screens are great (I don't), good for you! Go get one. Expecting Apple to compete on price with monitors similar to those is just a misunderstanding of Apple's corporate strategy.
 
Sometimes I think Apple's obsession with secrecy regarding future products just makes people, even rusted on supporters, angry.
If the rumours of the Mini LED display and/or M1 Pro Mac Minis still being in the pipeline turn out to be true then there are going to be a lot of very angry owners of Studio products in a few months time.

...and even without rumours, Apple risked pulling an Osbourne on potential Mac Studio Ultra buyers when they hinted at a Mac Pro still coming.

Today's Apple seem to think everything is like an iPhone or a Watch: a fashion-conscious impulse purchase that a lot of people will replace annually.
 
I have to admit that the prospect of a miniLED, ProMotion enabled Studio Display entices me, and I could see myself spending 1.5x the cost of the Studio Display for it. Assuming you don't need to go beyond 27", it is an end-game setup which can outlast several machines. I am considering cancelling the Studio Display order and waiting for three months, at worse I will order it again then.

However the issue remains as to how they will implement ProMotion on existing Macs. I hope its not going to be a feature reserved for the upcoming Mac Pro, and the current crop of Apple Silicon devices will be able to do it too. If I remember correctly, the XDR display compatibility was limited to Mac Pro at the start, and then came machines which were hardware-updated to support 6K video out. If this happens again, it will be a long time before the screen can be used properly by the current user base.
 
And now there's the Studio Display. Whether you think it's a good value or not, it is admittedly unlike any monitor currently on the market. Again, could you imagine Tuesday's presentation with a recommendation to pair the Mac Studio with any existing monitor?

I mean, I can, because like you said, that's exactly what they did do just five and a half years ago.

The Studio Display is an OK value. It's pricier than LG's, which is already quite expensive. Part of this has got to be a volume issue, but nevertheless: almost nobody spends four figures on a monitor.

So if they think "you can get the LG for $1300, or the Apple for $1600 and up" is "a reasonable experience", I have quite a few bones to pick with that.

I would hope they're not under the illusion that those are great choices. If you've configured a higher-end Mac Studio at $5000, say, sure, what's another $1600 for the display. But if you're spending $1000 on a Mac mini, or even $2500 on a low-end Mac Studio, $1600 on a display is a lot.

This isn't entirely Apple's problem to solve, but it partially is. They've kind of helped create it, when they moved Macs to Retina ten(!) years ago. Then they doubled down by removing subpixel rendering a few macOS releases later, making text suddenly look worse than it did two decades ago. I do understand that there are engineering realities that led to this (such as problems once GPU acceleration gets involved), but the end result isn't great regardless. They essentially went all-in on a Retina future that did come for their devices where only the external display really matters, such as iPhones, iPads, Watches, etc., but never fully happened on the Mac.

I wish instead of the Studio Display, they had announced a partnership with Microsoft and/or multiple display vendors to prices of displays with >200 ppi down, because that's what's actually needed.
 
Why the f are we stuck at 27” -__-

Because 1) that's already a huge amount of space on a desk, 2) most people don't purchase displays that large, 3) most people don't want to spend even a third that much on a display, 3) higher resolutions require much more bandwidth, which often isn't feasible.
 
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This would be hilarious since it would piss off so many people who just bought the new display. There’s no way it will come so soon.
If it were coming so soon they would have announced it Tuesday. Either that, or this is essentially a Pro XDR-level product with similar pricing.
 
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how much bandwidth would 120 Hz refresh rate on a display like the Studio Display require? i guess twice as much as it requires now? but how much is that?
 
how much bandwidth would 120 Hz refresh rate on a display like the Studio Display require? i guess twice as much as it requires now? but how much is that?

@rhysmorgan answered to this question earlier in the thread:
5K 120Hz 8-bit colour requires about 53Gbps bandwidth, fitting in the DisplayPort 2.0 UHBR13.5 spec - perhaps leaving some bandwidth for Apple to allow 20Gbps or so of USB bandwidth on additional USB-C ports. Upping the colour to 10-bit requires 63Gbps, but that's still within the 80Gbps bandwidth of DisplayPort 2.0. And none of that considers the possibility for Display Stream Compression, which is claimed to be visually lossless, supporting up to 16K 60Hz
 
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Honestly I was expecting the Studio display to have a mini-LED backlight at its current price point or barely higher, even if it came at slightly reduced densities and overall performances.

You’re right. It is an extra $100-$150 for implementing mini-LED and extra $100-$150 for a 120hz display. Apple can drop the price to the original $999 or $1299 if it does not include both features that are available on mobile device for years.

There are few reasons why Apple can expect to earn one-third of the market share only if it didn't make a price and value mistake.
#1 People will not buy LG ultrafine due to higher price and abysmal quality.
#2 People will buy Apple Studio Display due to its lower price and better durability than LG.
#3 People will buy Apple Studio Display without hesitating due to no extra charge for adjusting the height and can be a deal-breaker for the IT industry that wants to adopt a product for mass volume.
 
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