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3d Interfaces for Leopard?

Show of hands. How many of you guys will just be testing Leopard-loaded demo macs weeks or even months before actually purchasing it? Time machine is mainly the thing I'm interested in, and I'm willing to pay the $129 for this and a finished bootcamp alone. But just the same I'd prefer not to suffer the plight of the first wave. I see no reason to jump on new OS's the moment they come out, but I hope enough early adopters snag it quickly and start posting their cheers and gripes to give me a general idea of some of the more important flaws and improvements. I've only had Tiger for a year, I can definitely bear to stay with it a bit longer.
 
Maccus Aurelius said:
Show of hands. How many of you guys will just be testing Leopard-loaded demo macs weeks or even months before actually purchasing it? Time machine is mainly the thing I'm interested in, and I'm willing to pay the $129 for this and a finished bootcamp alone. I see no reason to jump on new OS's the moment they come out, but I hope enough early adopters snag it quickly and start posting their cheers and gripes to give me a general idea of some of the more important flaws and improvements. I've only had Tiger for a year, I can definitely bear to stay with it a bit longer.
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Not me. I'm going to preorder from the Apple Online Store. I got tiger 1 day before the offical launch! :D

EDIT: Oops, sorry for the double post. I'm sure I clicked edit
 
I've either completely missed it whilst reading all of this, or no-ones brought it up. With the mention of anticipated mutitouch screens and trackpads to navigate through virtual 3D worlds, surely these are hardware requirements as opposed to just being able to enable these features via software upgrades? I can't do two-finger scrolling on my G4 400MHz Titanium Powerbook like the later models can for instance.

I'm desperate for 10.5 to walk all over Vista, and I'm sure it will, but the mention of flashy 3D interfaces is, at the end of the day, only going to mean one thing. We've seen it with Vista and it will happen with 10.5 if Apple aren't careful - if people are going to want to run this new powerhouse of an OS, then a lot of them are going to find their machines are obsolete overnight.

It will be interesting to see if there is a cutoff in terms of system requirements.
 
I doubt they'll ever use vertical piles. I can't see Steve coming on stage at Macworld and celebrating the

a) 'Heaps of documents randomly piled up like socks in a wash-basket. It's just some data-garbage I couldn't give a toss about enough to spend 5 seconds 'putting it away properly. I'm so lazy I can't even be arsed to bin it' pile.

or the

b) here's a neat pile - only I have no idea what's in it until I start fanning it about like some demented gambler. Oh how do I extract that document there so I can chuck it in the 'messy pile again ?' Pile.

Just pointless gimmickry...


The 'horizontal pile' (or 'filing cabinet' ) view is fine for Time Machine - great lateral use of time and space.
 
Fotek2001 said:
The number of posters here who clearly have not read the original ArsTechnica post is amazing. The blog article is a load of crap and was obviously written by someone who has no idea what garbage collection is and what it's used for.

All the positive comments and 'Yay this is so kewl' posters should really take a minute to think about what they're talking about before they put finger to keyboard.

:rolleyes:
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I read the original ArsTechnica post. It was a lump of steaming, juicy crap. But I decided to take this opportunity to talk about Leopard's UI.

As for my personal use of the... erm... word? 'kewl'... I was using it to describe how Microsoft was going about things. Don't know about others' use.
 
DeSnousa said:
IF this is indeed true, this new interface will blow the media off Vista. I think Steve Jobs is trying really hard to make Mac OS become a dominant OS and Leopard will have to be it with the release of Vista.
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I really believe this is a Tortoise and Hare kind of thing. It would be interesting to see ten years from now and see where it's at.
 
louden said:
I agree, Aero looks cool, but isn't extremely useful. However, aero is just as theme - the fact that 3D graphics are built into Windows is the important thing.
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The primary issue I see with a lot of the eye candy in Vista is that a lot of it is there just for the sake of being there. A lot of people complained about OS X's eye candy at first, but if you look at it, almost all of it serves an actual purpose. There isn't a lot of gratuitous use. I heard a lot of people gripe about the Genie effect of windows shrinking to the Dock, but when you think about it, it actually pinpoints exactly where the window has gone. In an unconscious way, it actually serves a purpose.

A good example from what I've seen of Vista using effects but not having much reason is their version of Expose. Having all the windows lined up like that would be nightmarish. Imagine if you have 20 Word documents open and have to see them overlapping like that. It seems that it would be more confusing than useful. The OS X approach of shrinking everything so you can see the whole document seems a better use of "eye candy."
 
last to the game...

I think Apple's losing their edge. They're the last to this game, behind Linux (#1) and Vista (#2). I'm sure some of what will come will be implemented in a slicker way, but 1) beryl devs will clone whatever Apple comes up with in about three days, meaning I can get the same stuff for free, and 2) it won't be nearly as extensible as what's available for Linux
 
jakemikey said:
I think Apple's losing their edge. They're the last to this game, behind Linux (#1) and Vista (#2). I'm sure some of what will come will be implemented in a slicker way, but 1) beryl devs will clone whatever Apple comes up with in about three days, meaning I can get the same stuff for free, and 2) it won't be nearly as extensible as what's available for Linux
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Vista is in no way #2. Vista's so-called 3D Aero functions are really just useless. So is the transparency stuff, actually. Apple used to have transparency, JUST LIKE VISTA. Apple removed it in Panther, as it was distracting. Apparently, Microsoft didn't copy that...
 
Macrumors said:


An Ars Technica blog entry claiming that one of Apple's secret Leopard features will be 3d user interfaces sparked a bit of discussion across the Mac web.

The article is self-described as "wild speculation" so no specific inside knowledge is claimed. The author imagines:



While this is based in speculation, we have heard rumors that much of Apple's new Finder interface will take advantage of the new technologies in Leopard -- specifically Core Animation. Apple is already promoting the use of Core Animation in building better user interfaces. From a WWDC 2007 session titled "Building Animated Cocoa User Interfaces":



Apple is already using Core Animation in Leopard's Time Machine and details about Core Animation's capabilities are listed on their site.
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Surely this story should be on Page 2?
 
nickane said:
Cheers, for that. That's wicked. I think I'm gonna be pranking every new mac user I know with that one over the coming weeks.
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Apple is wonderful, isn't it? The effect works like a charm...

And for those talking about Vista, pllllllllease...MS is pretty much moribund right now...the only thing they can kinda brag about is XBox against PS3...the rest is just a box full of flops, nothing else. 10.5 will just extend the lead in OSs...GO APPLE!
 
apb3 said:
This got me thinking.... anyone know the history of WWII German tank names? I know it went something like Panther, Tiger, Leopard. Is that right? And were there others before/after?

I should know this but do not. It'd be a weird "coincidence" no?:eek:
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There were (among others):

Panther
Tiger
Königstiger (King Tiger)
Jagdpanther (hunting panther)
Jagdtiger (hunting tiger)
Marder (Weasel)
Nashorn (Rhino)

German main battle tanks were and are named after big cats, like Apple does with their OS'es ;). Marder and Nashorn were tank-destroyers, as were Jagdpanther and Jagdtiger (those two were named after Panther and Tiger, because they were based on those two tanks). The name Leopard came after WW2. However, the two most widely used tanks in Wehrmach were Panzer III and Panzer IV. And besides those, there were also assault-guns (Stug-series).

An interesting historical curiosity is the Super-heavy Panzer VIII Maus

Sorry for off-topic post :).
 
jakemikey said:
I think Apple's losing their edge. They're the last to this game, behind Linux (#1) and Vista (#2). I'm sure some of what will come will be implemented in a slicker way, but 1) beryl devs will clone whatever Apple comes up with in about three days, meaning I can get the same stuff for free, and 2) it won't be nearly as extensible as what's available for Linux
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Well there is always the chance of leopard including compiz/beryl and apple creating an easy way to install/package more plugins.
 
i think i found out another little hint of what leopard will look like! :)

tell me if im wrong:

go to: http://www.adobe.com/products/fireworks/features/
and watch - "common library" notice that the drop down box is an aqua normal one

then watch - "Symbol properties panel" notice its a more..itunes 7.1 style drop down box?! wierd huh?

i assume that adobe and apple are quite close and adobe must be given advanced copies so they can make sure cs3 will work with leopard.

(altough the box hes dragging components from is a m$ window??? - now im really confused by it all)

thoughts? opinions?
 
Evangelion said:
There were (among others):

Panther
Tiger
Königstiger (King Tiger)
Jagdpanther (hunting panther)
Jagdtiger (hunting tiger)
Marder (Weasel)
Nashorn (Rhino)

German main battle tanks were and are named after big cats, like Apple does with their OS'es ;). Marder and Nashorn were tank-destroyers, as were Jagdpanther and Jagdtiger (those two were named after Panther and Tiger, because they were based on those two tanks). The name Leopard came after WW2. However, the two most widely used tanks in Wehrmach were Panzer III and Panzer IV. And besides those, there were also assault-guns (Stug-series).

An interesting historical curiosity is the Super-heavy Panzer VIII Maus

Sorry for off-topic post :).
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Yes! Or should I say, "Kewl!" OS X 10.6 Weasel!!!!

Thanks for the material to waste another late night!
 
jakemikey said:
I think Apple's losing their edge. They're the last to this game, behind Linux (#1) and Vista (#2). I'm sure some of what will come will be implemented in a slicker way, but 1) beryl devs will clone whatever Apple comes up with in about three days, meaning I can get the same stuff for free, and 2) it won't be nearly as extensible as what's available for Linux
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Linux is not user-friendly. An average user cannot buy a linux computer, pull it out of the box, plug it in and have it "just work." Understanding Linux takes hours of experience and a higher understanding of programming languages. Those are things that many people don't have time, or don't have the knowledge capacity to figure out. That is the major failing of Linux. Unless someone comes out with a fully-packaged feature-rich build of a Linux OS, it will only appeal to so many people.

-Clive
 
you must all be obsessed with leopard(no offence) if you keep looking for differences in themes,

we all will know whatit looks like(compiz?) in a month and will prob be able to use it by july,

yay,my 100th post,
 
mrrory said:
...Recently discovered holding down CTL+ Scrolling with the mighty mouse...
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You need to warn a fellow as to what that does! lol, My mighty mouse scroll ball only works in the up direction(zooming in)!:eek: So I couldn't get back! Luckly I have a spare one that does work.

- Scott
 
scrambledwonder said:
Mac OS 11 Ocelot.
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Enough with the cat names, I imagine at some point Apple will find a new group.

I think they should go old school like Mac OS 6.08 "Terminator". Now I know the name was granted because it ended 6's lineage, but a whole line of Swarzenegger movies would be sweet!

Mac OS Junior
Mac OS K-Cop
Mac OS Commando
Mac OS Total Recall
Mag-O-Eis-Gingle-All-Zweh-Way! (Robert Smigel pronuciation)
 
what about suse linux?

The problem i have with linux is standards,
ie kde default menu is a mess,different menu layouts,different init modes to install graphics, etc
compiz rules
 
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