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4K HDR Content Rolling Out on iTunes Ahead of Apple TV 4K Launch

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You probably have them hidden. You need to unhide them.
Just checked that. They aren’t hidden. They show up in Purchased only. The storefront acts like they were never bought. Seems like the studios maybe playing some games around licensing and purchases.
 
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New unit ordered, but still don't know how I'm going to connect it to my 4K Tv, and my non 4K pass-through av receiver.

Except for a $350 hdmi splitter that *might* work that someone on another forum suggested - I can't find any hdmi splitter that truly passes a 4K signal.

For short term, will probably run the HDMI between apple TV and my television to achieve the 4K I've been waiting for - and then run an Optical Digital audio cable from my television back to Av receiver. I know this optical cable will be pretty limited in what it can carry - so not happy about this, especially considering I really value good audio... :(
 
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John Wick 2 is only £7.99 in the UK store, most new HD films are between £9.99 and £13.99. Logan is showing as 4K in the app for £9.99. 4k Bluray releases over here are £19.99-£29.99, Amazon streaming is the same price as the Blurays, guessing Apple are going to get some flack from the retailers.

I done a very very quick Apple electronic purchase Vs Amazon physical disc comparison of a few titles and for most Amazon came put cheaper. That's for a physical disc and postage. Plus you get a proper audio track and extras with the physical discs.

Apple is costlier.
 
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So far, Disney only has "Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2" released, and "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales" and "Cars 3" announced. All three released the same time as the Blu-Ray and digital releases.

We'll see about Star Wars closer to The Last Jedi's release.

Spiderman Homecoming looks to be in 4k as well. Technically, that's a Disney movie.
 
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Spiderman Homecoming looks to be in 4k as well. Technically, that's a Disney movie.

Not really though. Sony is the one who still owns the Spider-man rights, and produced it via Columbia Pictures. They own the distribution rights, not Disney, which is why it will be in 4k for free upgrades through iTunes. Marvel Studios just agreed to work with them on it, so they could bring the character into the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
 
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New unit ordered, but still don't know how I'm going to connect it to my 4K Tv, and my non 4K pass-through av receiver.

Except for a $350 hdmi splitter that *might* work that someone on another forum suggested - I can't find any hdmi splitter that truly passes a 4K signal.

For short term, will probably run the HDMI between apple TV and my television to achieve the 4K I've been waiting for - and then run an Optical Digital audio cable from my television back to Av receiver. I know this optical cable will be pretty limited in what it can carry - so not happy about this, especially considering I really value good audio... :(

EDIT: Ignore, didn't read the last part of the comment. HDMI ARC might be better than optical still, not sure.

Why not connect it directly to your TV, and then use HDMI-ARC or Optical Audio out on the TV, to bring the audio back to the receiver? That is how I use my 4k sources with my non-4k compatible receiver.
 
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When did I say that your statement is false? Really? I would like to know when I said this. I said I HAVE TROUBLE with a 300 Mbps plan because of my issues. I never once said that 15 Mbps sustained is unable to stream at 4K.

I made a simple, contained comment about Apple's minimum requirements for 4K from iTS and you replied with the one word sentence "Nope."
 
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I made a simple, contained comment about Apple's minimum requirements for 4K from iTS and you replied with the one word sentence "Nope."

That does not mean that they lied, or you lied. I apologize if I gave you that impression that I called you and Apple a liar. I was pointing out that even having a 300 Mbps plan does not guarantee successful streaming, as my case shows. I would GLADLY pay MUCH MUCH more for even 50 Mbps if it is a guaranteed speed. That is how fed up I am with Spectrum and internet in general.
 
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Wonder Woman - UHD/4K, Dolby Vision HDR, DD 5.1 ???

VUDU
UHD, Dolby Vision HDR, DD+ Atmos !

WTF Apple? :mad:

Apple used to set the standard for quality audio with music, but, when it comes to movies, they are lagging behind!!!
 
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Almost more than what's available on Vudu and this is just my own collection, who knows how many more titles are eligible at this point (even before launch).

These are the current available titles (copied from Blu-ray.com):

  1. Accountant, The
  2. Alien Convenant
  3. Allied (Dolby Vision)
  4. American Sniper (Dolby Vision)
  5. Annabelle (Dolby Vision)
  6. Argo (Dolby Vision)
  7. Arrival (Dolby Vision)
  8. Assassin's Creed
  9. Baby Driver (Dolby Vision)
  10. Batman And Harley Quinn
  11. Batman v Superman: Dawn Of Justice (Dolby Vision)
  12. Batman v Superman: Dawn Of Justice (Ultimate Edition)
  13. Ben-Hur (2016)
  14. Bourne Legacy
  15. Bourne Ultimatum
  16. Brooklyn
  17. Central Intelligence (Dolby Vision)
  18. Chappie (Dolby Vision)
  19. Close Encounters Of The Third Kind (Director's Cut) (Dolby Vision)
  20. Collateral Beauty (Dolby Vision)
  21. Conjuring, The
  22. Creed (Dolby Vision)
  23. Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon (Dolby Vision)
  24. Deadpool (HDR)
  25. Despicable Me (Dolby Vision)
  26. Despicable Me 2 (Dolby Vision)
  27. Diamonds Are Forever
  28. District 9 (Dolby Vision)
  29. Eddie The Eagle
  30. Entourage
  31. Everest (Dolby Vision)
  32. Ex Machina (HDR)
  33. Fantastic Beat And Where To Find Them (Dolby Vision)
  34. Fast & Furious 6 (Extended Edition)
  35. Fences
  36. Fifty Shades Darker (HDR)
  37. Fifty Shades Of Grey
  38. Focus (Dolby Vision)
  39. For Your Eyes Only
  40. Furioius 7 (Extended Edition) (HDR)
  41. Fury (Dolby Vision)
  42. Gallows (Dolby Vision)
  43. Get Hard
  44. Ghost In The Shell (2017) (Dolby Vision)
  45. Ghostbusters (1984)
  46. Goodfellas (Non Remastered Edition) (Dolby Vision)
  47. Great Gatsby (Dolby Vision)
  48. Great Wall, The
  49. Hacksaw Ridge (Dolby Vision)
  50. Hangover (Dolby Vision)
  51. Hangover Part II (Dolby Vision)
  52. Hercules (2014)
  53. Hidden Figures (Dolby Vision)
  54. Hitman: Agent 47
  55. Hotel Transylvania 2 (Dolby Vision)
  56. How To Be Single (Dolby Vision)
  57. Huntsman: Winters War (Extended Edition)
  58. I Am Legend (Dolby Vision)
  59. Ice Age: Collision Course
  60. In The Heart Of The Sea (Dolby Vision)
  61. Independence Day: Insurgence
  62. Intern (Dolby Vision)
  63. Into The Storm (Dolby Vision)
  64. Jack Reacher: Never Go Back (Dolby Vision)
  65. Jason Bourne
  66. John Wick (Dolby Vision)
  67. John Wick: Chapter 2 (Dolby Vision)
  68. Joy
  69. Jupiter Ascending
  70. Keanu
  71. Keeping Up With Joneses
  72. Kingsman: The Secret Service (HDR)
  73. Kong: Skull Island (Dolby Vision)
  74. La La Land (Dolby Vision)
  75. Labyrinth (Dolby Vision)
  76. Legend of Tarzan, The
  77. Lego Batman (Dolby Vision)
  78. Lego Movie (Dolby Vision)
  79. Life Of Pi (HDR)
  80. Lights Out (Dolby Vision)
  81. Live By Night (Dolby Vision)
  82. Live Die Repeat: Edge Of Tomorrow
  83. Logan (HDR)
  84. Lone Survivor (HDR)
  85. Lost City Of Z
  86. Lucy (Dolby Vision)
  87. Mad Max: Fury Road (Dolby Vision)
  88. Magic Mike XXL (Dolby Vision)
  89. Magnificent Seven (2016) (Dolby Vision)
  90. Man From U.N.C.L.E. (Dolby Vision), The
  91. Man Of Steel (Dolby Vision)
  92. Martian, The
  93. Maze Runner (HDR)
  94. Maze Runner: Scorch Trials (HDR)
  95. Me Before You (Dolby Vision)
  96. Mike and Dave Need Wedding Dates (HDR)
  97. Miss Peregrine's Home For Peculiar Children
  98. Mummy (2017)
  99. Mummy: Tomb Of The Dragon Emperor
  100. Nice Guys (Dolby Vision)
  101. Oblivion
  102. Office Christmas Party (Dolby Vision)
  103. Our Brand Is Crisis (Dolby Vision)
  104. Pacific Rim (Dolby Vision)
  105. Pan (Dolby Vision)
  106. Passengers (Dolby Vision)
  107. Peanuts Movie (2015)
  108. Point Break (2015) (Dolby Vision)
  109. Princess Bride, The
  110. Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes
  111. Run All Night (Dolby Vision)
  112. San Andreas (Dolby Vision)
  113. Secret Life Of Pets
  114. Sherlock Holmes (Dolby Vision)
  115. Sherlock Holmes: A Game Of Shadows (Dolby Vision)
  116. Sing
  117. Skyfall
  118. Snatched (2016)
  119. Snow White & The Huntsman (Extended Edition)
  120. Song To Song
  121. Spectre
  122. Spider-man: Homecoming (Dolby Vision)
  123. Spy (2015)
  124. Star Trek (Dolby Vision)
  125. Star Trek: Beyond (Dolby Vision)
  126. Star Trek: Into Darkness (Dolby Vision)
  127. Starship Troopers (Dolby Vision)
  128. Storks (Dolby Vision)
  129. Suicide Squad (Dolby Vision)
  130. Sully
  131. T2: Trainspotting (Dolby Vision)
  132. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out Of The Shadows (Dolby Vision)
  133. Terminator: Genisys (Dolby Vision)
  134. Town (Dolby Vision), The
  135. Unforgiven (Dolby Vision)
  136. Vacation (2015) (Dolby Vision)
  137. War Dogs (Dolby Vision)
  138. Warcraft (HDR)
  139. Why Him
  140. Wild (2014)
  141. Wonder Woman (Dolby Vision)
  142. X-Men: Apocalypse
  143. X-Men: First Class
  144. X-Men: Days Of Future Past (HDR)
  145. XXX: Return Of Xander Cage (Dolby Vision)

People should probably take the HDR tags above with a grain of salt as they may not be fully accurate (For instance, I'm seeing Dolby Vision in some spots, and only HDR10 in other places).

The only chink in the armor is it doesn't seem to like Special Edition versions of things (like The Hangover) and it's missing some key titles like Lucy, Dredd, Power Rangers, Watchmen, E.T., the HP Series, Hunger Games (yes, crap movies, but they ARE out on 4K UHD) and it still doesn't update the Standard Def versions (don't understand this at all, now).

"Lucy" shows up as 4K & HDR/Dolby Vision for me.

I don't think iTunes is done adding titles yet. For instance, you mentioned "Diamonds Are Forever" and "For Your Eyes Only". Apple appears to still be adding titles, and correcting HDR info.

There's still multiple Sony titles available on ULTRA and Amazon in 4K that iTunes doesn't have available. There's still some WB, Lionsgate, Paramount, etc. films on VUDU that aren't listed as such, and FandangoNOW has a ton of Universal titles, and a few FOX titles that aren't currently showing up as 4K on iTunes (yet).

Deadpool (4K which is curious because everyone says the HDR shines on the Bluray)Fifty Shades of Gray (4K)

I'm seeing HDR on "Deadpool" and DV/HDR on Fifty Shades.
 
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So, I have an iMac (Late 2017). Its not a 4K screen, but I do have an external Dell UP2718Q monitor attached, which is a 27" 4K HDR unit. iTunes 12.7 will not show me any 4K content. There is also no option in Preferences to download or stream 4K content to this Mac. I'm running the High Sierra GM so it's as up-tp-date as it can get, and has OS support for the HEVC compression used for 4K HDR movies.

I also have a new iPad Pro 10.5. This is not a 4K screen, but it does support HDR. I can watch HDR streams of movies I purchased from iTunes, but only at 1080p. It looks like I can stream but not download the HDR version (I think).

The Mac will not stream or download the 1080p HDR movies - it can only see the normal 1080p versions, not the HDR.

I attached the Dell 4K HDR monitor to my PC and installed iTunes 12.7. Same result as the Mac - no 4K download or streaming, no HDR 1080p versions either.

Conclusions:
1. You cannot download 4K content. It can only be streamed.
2. You can only see 4K content on a device that supports it being streamed natively (not to add-on monitors).
3. Apple seems to have created special versions of some content - 1080p HDR for compatible iPad Pros.
4. iOS 11 seems to be more compatible with 4K than High Sierra (at the moment).

It really looks like 4K HDR is restricted to streaming only and to a dedicated device like the Apple TV 4K. Apple is being very aggressive about matching the content you can see or stream to the capabilities of your device AS IT SHIPPED, regardless of any upgrades like external 4K HDR monitors.

Can anyone with a 5K iMac see the new 4K HDR content, stream or download it?
 
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I done a very very quick Apple electronic purchase Vs Amazon physical disc comparison of a few titles and for most Amazon came put cheaper. That's for a physical disc and postage. Plus you get a proper audio track and extras with the physical discs.

Apple is costlier.

Lets do a quick check:

Amazon.co.uk Logan 4K Bluray - £22.99 2 discs with extras
Apple iTunes Logan 4K £9.99 (also includes iTunes extras, a 75 min documentary and Logan Noir version)

Amazon 4K Bluray titles:
Spiderman Homecoming: £21.99
Wonder-woman, fast and furious 8, the mummy £24.99 each
War for the planet of the apes, Baby Driver, life, alien covenant £19.99 each

Amazon Prime 4k Digital titles though the Prime app on 4K fire box or 4K TV:

Life, surfs lost village, Inferno, Passengers, T2 Trainspotting £22.99 each, no extra features, wtf
underworld blood wars £24.99

Yup, Apple are much more expensive??? maybe you were looking at NON 4K stuff?
 
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EDIT: Ignore, didn't read the last part of the comment. HDMI ARC might be better than optical still, not sure.

Why not connect it directly to your TV, and then use HDMI-ARC or Optical Audio out on the TV, to bring the audio back to the receiver? That is how I use my 4k sources with my non-4k compatible receiver.

thanks John. as going to use optical because have that in wall - audio rack in different room.- but interested to see if arc would be better. ( update: my receiver doesn't have arc anyway. so it's optical for me - until splitter's catch up.
 
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So, I have an iMac (Late 2017). Its not a 4K screen, but I do have an external Dell UP2718Q monitor attached, which is a 27" 4K HDR unit. iTunes 12.7 will not show me any 4K content. There is also no option in Preferences to download or stream 4K content to this Mac. I'm running the High Sierra GM so it's as up-tp-date as it can get, and has OS support for the HEVC compression used for 4K HDR movies.

I also have a new iPad Pro 10.5. This is not a 4K screen, but it does support HDR. I can watch HDR streams of movies I purchased from iTunes, but only at 1080p. It looks like I can stream but not download the HDR version (I think).

The Mac will not stream or download the 1080p HDR movies - it can only see the normal 1080p versions, not the HDR.

I attached the Dell 4K HDR monitor to my PC and installed iTunes 12.7. Same result as the Mac - no 4K download or streaming, no HDR 1080p versions either.

Conclusions:
1. You cannot download 4K content. It can only be streamed.
2. You can only see 4K content on a device that supports it being streamed natively (not to add-on monitors).
3. Apple seems to have created special versions of some content - 1080p HDR for compatible iPad Pros.
4. iOS 11 seems to be more compatible with 4K than High Sierra (at the moment).

It really looks like 4K HDR is restricted to streaming only and to a dedicated device like the Apple TV 4K. Apple is being very aggressive about matching the content you can see or stream to the capabilities of your device AS IT SHIPPED, regardless of any upgrades like external 4K HDR monitors.

Can anyone with a 5K iMac see the new 4K HDR content, stream or download it?

That is a VERY SERIOUS issue. If I have a movie I want to watch multiple times, due to high file size, I do NOT want to download "stream" the 4K video multiple times. Regardless if I get perfect streaming performance. 4K is a major fail as long as we cannot download these for multiple viewing. We have bandwidth caps to deal with :( This is why I ALWAYS download my content to a 8TB External drive and set up Home Sharing.
 
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So, I have an iMac (Late 2017). Its not a 4K screen, but I do have an external Dell UP2718Q monitor attached, which is a 27" 4K HDR unit. iTunes 12.7 will not show me any 4K content. There is also no option in Preferences to download or stream 4K content to this Mac. I'm running the High Sierra GM so it's as up-tp-date as it can get, and has OS support for the HEVC compression used for 4K HDR movies.

I also have a new iPad Pro 10.5. This is not a 4K screen, but it does support HDR. I can watch HDR streams of movies I purchased from iTunes, but only at 1080p. It looks like I can stream but not download the HDR version (I think).

The Mac will not stream or download the 1080p HDR movies - it can only see the normal 1080p versions, not the HDR.

I attached the Dell 4K HDR monitor to my PC and installed iTunes 12.7. Same result as the Mac - no 4K download or streaming, no HDR 1080p versions either.

Conclusions:
1. You cannot download 4K content. It can only be streamed.
2. You can only see 4K content on a device that supports it being streamed natively (not to add-on monitors).
3. Apple seems to have created special versions of some content - 1080p HDR for compatible iPad Pros.
4. iOS 11 seems to be more compatible with 4K than High Sierra (at the moment).

It really looks like 4K HDR is restricted to streaming only and to a dedicated device like the Apple TV 4K. Apple is being very aggressive about matching the content you can see or stream to the capabilities of your device AS IT SHIPPED, regardless of any upgrades like external 4K HDR monitors.

Can anyone with a 5K iMac see the new 4K HDR content, stream or download it?
I think it is all about copy protection (hdpc 2.2) of 4K content. For Macs or PCs the right hardware is needed to use hdpc 2.2. Right hardware: CPU (Skylake/Kabylake) or newer generation of GPU's as well as the right monitor if extern is used). Perhaps streaming via iTunes on a Mac only with the latest generation in the future and no download at macOS ever.
 
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thanks John. as going to use optical because have that in wall - audio rack in different room.- but interested to see if arc would be better.

I'm glad you lads brought this up as I may be in a similar situation to you.

* I have my 1080p TV in the living room but my AVR is under the stairs in the hall. Both are connected via a CAT6 cable and HDMI leads. I use this HDBASET to connect both rooms together http://store.aclasstechnology.com/h...ectional-ir-bi-directional-poh-poe-1691-p.asp

* My AVR (Onkyo TX-NR3010) has 4K pass-through. But my TV is only a 1080p.

My question is, if I connect the APTV4K directly to my AVR via HDMI, will I be able to get both picture and audio from an Apple 4K rental film? My main concern is the HDBASET effecting the signal going to the TV.
 
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If you can't download a 4K movie, then I won't be buying :mad:
I want to be able to backup my purchase for multiple viewing, and not run into online removal because of changing deals !

At this moment the physical disk is still better :)
 
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If you can't download a 4K movie, then I won't be buying :mad:
I want to be able to backup my purchase for multiple viewing, and not run into online removal because of changing deals !

At this moment the physical disk is still better :)

Not to mention unreliable internet in most areas and bandwidth caps. I would rather get a 10 GB video once and store it on my external and use Home Sharing than be required to stream 50 GB if I want to watch it 5 times.
 
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So, I have an iMac (Late 2017). Its not a 4K screen, but I do have an external Dell UP2718Q monitor attached, which is a 27" 4K HDR unit. iTunes 12.7 will not show me any 4K content. There is also no option in Preferences to download or stream 4K content to this Mac. I'm running the High Sierra GM so it's as up-tp-date as it can get, and has OS support for the HEVC compression used for 4K HDR movies.

I also have a new iPad Pro 10.5. This is not a 4K screen, but it does support HDR. I can watch HDR streams of movies I purchased from iTunes, but only at 1080p. It looks like I can stream but not download the HDR version (I think).

The Mac will not stream or download the 1080p HDR movies - it can only see the normal 1080p versions, not the HDR.

I attached the Dell 4K HDR monitor to my PC and installed iTunes 12.7. Same result as the Mac - no 4K download or streaming, no HDR 1080p versions either.

Conclusions:
1. You cannot download 4K content. It can only be streamed.
2. You can only see 4K content on a device that supports it being streamed natively (not to add-on monitors).
3. Apple seems to have created special versions of some content - 1080p HDR for compatible iPad Pros.
4. iOS 11 seems to be more compatible with 4K than High Sierra (at the moment).

It really looks like 4K HDR is restricted to streaming only and to a dedicated device like the Apple TV 4K. Apple is being very aggressive about matching the content you can see or stream to the capabilities of your device AS IT SHIPPED, regardless of any upgrades like external 4K HDR monitors.

Can anyone with a 5K iMac see the new 4K HDR content, stream or download it?


I don't think 4K/HDR has been enabled on the iTunes desktop apps yet.


About the iPad, you say that you can't download the HDR. What happens when you download a movie from the cloud? Does it have HDR/4K symbols on the Video app? If you download it and try to transfer it to your Mac, is the size the same as listed on the iTunes Store page?

You say that you can stream the HDR version. Did you notice a difference? Is it truly the HDR version?

(Damn it guys, more people need to follow his example and actually test things.)
 
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I want to be able to backup my purchase for multiple viewing, and not run into online removal because of changing deals !

While I have run into purchased music disappearing, I have never run into movies or TV disappearing. I have run into times when the content was removed from the store, but still existed in my cloud.
 
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xWhiplash

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While I have run into purchased music disappearing, I have never run into movies or TV disappearing. I have run into times when the content was removed from the store, but still existed in my cloud.

Same. I still have episodes from Season 2 of Human Target which you cannot get anywhere, and there are no physical media for that season too.
 
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Alan Gordon

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Same. I still have episodes from Season 2 of Human Target which you cannot get anywhere, and there are no physical media for that season too.

I'm incredibly jealous right now! LOL
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Damn it guys, more people need to follow his example and actually test things.)

You cannot download or stream 4K from Apple yet. There's nothing to test!
 
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