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4K ProRes Video Recording on iPhone 14 Pro Still Requires at Least 256GB Model

yes the move that disable a feature with no option to manually enable on 128GB 14 pro is very bad. But to be fair very few people use ProRaw the demographic of iPhone Pro is rich mainstream. Real Photo enthusiasts that will edit raw files are not so frequent and almost all those people would buy 256 GB minimum anyway.

Another strong issue with 4K ProRaw is the archaic lighting port with extreme low bandwidth

Honestly if you really want to work on 4K Raw files from an iPhone it will be way better to wait another year because the switch to usb-c will be truly gamechanging because of increased bandwidth and convenience
 
It might be much easier for people to choose which iPhone that are 4k capable if Apple stamps “4k” (without quotes) either next to or under “iPhone” on back of iPhones with 256gb and higher.

Just my 2 cent.
 
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bLackjackj said:
Are you joking? I actually know someone who shoots short 4k movies & clips who was looking to upgrade with the 128gb model!
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We are talking about ProRes 4k codec. Not your HEVC 4K codec.

The 128gb iPhones can shoot 4K, which is all people need considering majority of people even on macrumors, apparently thinks ProRes is a filter of some sorts or something…

Unless your processing your 4K videos what benefits will ProRes have over HEVC? And how are your dealing with the workflow with 128gb?
 
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phillypharm said:
The fact that they are selling the base model with 128gb is ridiculous still. Upsell away. Pro device that you have to upgrade to use all the Pro features.
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I have to agree with this. It is a feature you have to spend more money to use. It is the only iPhone range ‘Pro model’ I am aware of where you need to spend more to use a feature of it. If you are advertising your phone as ‘Pro’ then people expect access to all its features from its already high starting price.
 
Pezimak said:
I have to agree with this. It is a feature you have to spend more money to use. It is the only iPhone range ‘Pro model’ I am aware of where you need to spend more to use a feature of it. If you are advertising your phone as ‘Pro’ then people expect access to all its features from its already high starting price.
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the 128gb is priced competitively for people to still purchase Apples flagship phone.

Look at the people who opt for 128gb phones for $999, they want the flagship features such as "Dynamic Island", not to process RAW 4k videos on 128gb..
 
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Sammy in SoCal said:
In all the recent macrumor articles they really omitted a crap load of features on the regular 14 and 14 plus that the pros are getting. I’m surprised they’re giving them at least some of the upgraded camera features/lenses. I wanted to trade in my back up regular 13 to put an iPhone 14 plus in that position(sold my primary 13 pro max and getting the 14 pro max next week). I do think that the plus being much lighter than the max is a good feature though. But the plus price point of $900 makes it weird to be only a $100 difference compared to a base 6.1 pro
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Honest question, why do you need two flagship new iPhones? One as a backup? So one will sit in your drawer unused unless your new Max breaks?
 
Shazamadoo said:
the 128gb is priced competitively for people to still purchase Apples flagship phone.

Look at the people who opt for 128gb phones for $999, they want the flagship features such as "Dynamic Island", not to process RAW 4k videos on 128gb..
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No it is not competitively priced at all outside the US. It is advertised as ‘Pro’ by Apple, but if it lacks Pro features it should not be called Pro. Despite what Apple marketing states, no professional photographer or videographer is going to use an iPhone to replace all their camera and video equipment. Apple could easily limit these Pro Res videos,to a minute and have a big warning on the screen if you turn that limit off your storage will go fast.
 
Pezimak said:
No it is not competitively priced at all outside the US. It is advertised as ‘Pro’ by Apple, but if it lacks Pro features it should not be called Pro. Despite what Apple marketing states, no professional photographer or videographer is going to use an iPhone to replace all their camera and video equipment.
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As its been said, "Pro" is nothing but a moniker to highlight Apples flagship line..

Samsungs Ultra 128gb is over $1k. What defines competitive to you?
 
Shazamadoo said:
As its been said, "Pro" is nothing but a moniker to highlight Apples flagship line..

Samsungs Ultra 128gb is over $1k. What defines competitive to you?
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You are misunderstanding the word ‘professional’ then and it’s meaning, and what it means to the many. If you are going to use the word ‘Pro’ for a model name, customers expect ‘Pro’ features.
 
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That is typical Apple ********. If you have a 128GB model and still 80GB left, why not let you film a 10 minute clip in 4K ProRes? By the way, even some very cheap smartphones offer external storage. Apple could also offer external recording for example, if it had USB 3.2 instead of that slow Lightning connector.
 
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Skyscraperfan said:
That is typical Apple ********. If you have a 128GB model and still 80GB left, why not let you film a 10 minute clip in 4K ProRes? By the way, even some very cheap smartphones offer external storage. Apple could also offer external recording for example, if it had USB 3.2 instead of that slow Lightning connector.
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A 5 min ProRes video will take you near 10 min to transfer.

What kind of post production editing are you trying to do that requires ProRes RAW files?

If none then why not record in 4K 60fps instead?
 
Shazamadoo said:
A 5 min ProRes video will take you near 10 min to transfer.

What kind of post production editing are you trying to do that requires ProRes RAW files?

If none then why not record in 4K 60fps instead?
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I personally hardly ever shoot video, but I would never shoot a non-RAW photo for example. Why throw away any image information that you might need later. Most videos have bright sky, sun or dark shadows. The human eye can quickly adjust to whatever it looks at, but if a camera films highlights and shadows at the same time, it either needs HDR, a log profile or RAW, which gives you the most power in editing. I would rather use 1080p RAW than 4K without RAW.
 
Toratek said:
Nonsense. This is a company that is serving its shareholders, while employing hundreds of thousands of people around the world. Its REASON FOR BEING is to make money for stakeholders and provide consumers with products they want.
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Here's to the crazy ones, the accountants, the stockholders...
 
Hopefully next year it’ll start with 256GB

Together with a better currency situation that could make the iphone 15 pro a worthy buy for us Europeans …
 
geartau said:
i have BMPCC6k and iPhone 13 Pro. The BMPCC just isn't convenient enough sometimes. Autofocus barely works on many lens, the battery barely lasts 15 minutes, to get 1TB of storage, you'd need to attach a usb-c SSD somewhere (or let it dangle), no stablization in the camera, and so on. when you need to get job done fast, iPhone is the way to go.

with a moment lens, you can get a cheap anamorphic setup. and since it doubles as your phone, you're not paying $1k EXTRA. it's the phone you're going to get whether or not you're making movies. so maybe you pay an EXTRA $500 for the 1TB premium.

steven soderbergh shot 2 movies using an iPhone and he's a professional.
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Yes and both of those movies are not very good. Just because a pro uses the iPhone to shoot a movie doesn't mean it was a good choice. He used the iPhone as a publicity stunt to get some interest in his otherwise crappy movies. He could have grabbed just about any DSLR camera or better and his movies would have looked better and would have likely been easier to shoot. He focused too much on the hey lets force the iPhone to work instead of just focusing on the story and talent. He used the iPhone as the star and to generate buzz.

Of course they are more convenient but since when has film making being solely about convenience? You talk about autofocus, stabilization and battery life all of which are not a concern at all in Hollywood. No decent film maker would ever use autofocus unless they were shooting a wedding. Plenty of much better stabilization tools out there for any camera. Stabilization on the iPhone only goes so far and many still end up using a gimbal or something else like a tripod. Not every video has to be hand held. A lot of Hollywood production shots use a tripod and it blows my mind that so many "film makers" today don't want to use a tripod anymore. Stop moving that camera around like its underwear is on fire and let the scene and subjects tell the story.

As for battery life there are dozens of solutions around that. I use a Sony battery with an affordable plate and DC cable that gets me 3 hours on the P4k. There are plenty of other solutions including V-mount for longer run times. Speaking of battery what happens when your iPhone battery dies? Do you swap it out for another battery? Nope. You likely need to use an external power solution just like you do on the P4k. My Sony battery solution is super portable and gives me 3 hours of runtime. I have four of those batteries which can be swapped out in seconds. I'm not sure what cheap 3rd party batteries you are using but I get easily 40 minutes on the P4k with the internal battery. Thats still not great but there are so many external power solutions out there. The iPhone doesn't have unlimited power either and its power is being drawn throughout the day with other tasks like phone calls, checking email and so forth. iPhones are not known for amazing battery life to begin with but use it on a video production and that battery is going to go fast.

My SSD is super light weight and compact and attaches right to the camera. Nobody and I mean nobody minds the external SSD solution on the BMD cameras. Its an absolute non issue. Plus we can swap out the 1TB, 2TB or 4TB SSD within seconds if we fill it up. The iPhone you have to hook it up to a computer and spend time transferring. That means you likely need a computer with you on the production. You might be able to use a wifi drive to transfer to but that seems a bit risky to me and you need wifi in order for it to work. Good luck getting wifi in the middle of the woods on a all day shoot. Plus the Pocket cameras can record to SD or C-Fast card as well. If you truly want to be very portable. Cards that again can be swapped out in seconds.

So no I don't buy the when you need to get the job done fast argument. What kind of job would require that kind of speed to be able to shoot within seconds? Yes if I'm getting a fun moment of my daughter the iPhone works fine for that and I'm not going to hunt down my P4k or DSLR to capture a random sudden fun moment but then again those are not professional scenarios. Those are personal situations and yes the iPhone can be very nice for stuff like that. I use it as well at times. Beats missing the moment entirely because I had to spend a few minutes setting up the P4k. If I am on a shoot however my cameras are setup and ready to go at a moments notice. The BMD camera do lack AF and stabilization but there are hybrid cameras out there much better suited for that kind of work anyway. Canon, Sony, Panasonic, Nikon, Fuji all have very affordable options that shoot great photos and video with autofocus and 5 axis stabilization.
 
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