Obviously they need to ditch the camera in order to make it thinner. No one uses the camera, right?
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Apples range will be more fragmented then the screen of an iPad after falling face flat onto concrete from 20 feet with no case!!
That's it Apple, you give each phone a different camera.....
If they do launch some Pro model they better give the exact same camera to the non Pro Plus and 4.7" iPhone.
That's it Apple, you give each phone a different camera.....
If they do launch some Pro model they better give the exact same camera to the non Pro Plus and 4.7" iPhone.
Gosh, I wonder if you even read what you write. I'm not quite sure how to argue with your word salad because you're conflating apples, oranges, politics and electronics.
We stick to consumer electronics because it's the only thing that's relevant here. Not the groceries, not freedom of press, and certainly not political idealism.
You asked me if there's "scientific proof" about choice overload (other than plain common sense). Yes there is. Go ahead and read "The paradox of choice" by Barry Schwartz or "Future Shock" by Alvin Toffler. Having more choices, like vast amount of goods and services, may seem appealing initially but too much of it hinders decision making. It's a kind of pseudo-freedom that can result in consumers being indecisive, unhappy, and often to postpone the decision or feel regret post-purchase. Especially for items of certain value. It's a well known fact. Look it up.
You do realise that's how Apple succeeded under Jobs' stewardship after its mid-90s dip, in a turn that became a staple case study in every business major. Right? Jobs ruthlessly trimmed the product lines and offered distinct choices of comprehensive value. Cook is doing exactly the opposite: inflating a messy range of cluttered product lines, often with poor/ outdated product specs (Mac), all of them sold at exploitative prices.
Besides, people also loved the idea that they were using the exact same phone, specs and all, as the CEO of Apple. The only way to enjoy the pinnacle of Apple's phone tech now is to pony up an extravagant amount in exchange for a jacked up 256GB iPhone 7 Plus Pro Whatever -even if you may not want or need a big @ss phablet. How does that seem fair to you?
You bet I'd compare price and quality of carrots to an annoying degree if carrots would cost upward $1000 and came with a 1-year contract commitment.
In short: infinite choice in consumer decisions does not equate freedom. It's a guaranteed stalemate.
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Hopefully the next iPhone won’t looks as ugly as one of these mockups, but if it turn out to be the truth, its time to “refresh” the design team.
But that's exactly what these companies do, Samsung offer a lot of different smartphone choices, yet people don't complain about this. Apple offers, an iPhone 6s, 6s Plus, iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, along with the iPhone SE. In the smartphone range where Samsung and other companies offer many more models. Personally I like the choice and don't find it difficult to decide when pre-ordering.
Samsung offer different smartphones at very different price points aimed at obviously different market sectors.
Apple is fragmenting its devices but they are all aimed at the premium market. In Samung devices you get the same camera in all flagships no matter the size, you don't with Apple.
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Good read! I actually miss the days when there was only one size and the only question was color and storage. Yes, I criticized Apple for not having a bigger phone but to have 2 big phones with various options like camera type and connection options seems ridiculous.
I expected this from Samsung but they actually made the Note 7 super simple this year, just pick 1 of 3 colors and the carrier. That's it, all phones get 64GB with similar specs.
I don't see a problem with offering more choice, it's not like they have 10 different smartphones.
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To be fair you do at the moment, iPhone SE has the same camera as the 6s. The rumoured 7 Plus may get a dual camera because it is bigger and will probably have more room than the 7 will. However we don't know the specs at the moment, the 7 may not be as bad as people think, if the leaks are correct then the iPhone 7 seems to have a bigger lense than the current 6s, which indicates improvement. Now I could be totally wrong, we will only know for sure next month when the 7 is announced.
"Design team, we need to make the camera even more pronounced than it was in iPhone 6 and 6s. Can you do it?"
And so they did.
And so they did.
Don't worry, nothing wrong with looking at bigger contexts. Thank you for your lengthy reply.
You seem to disagree with yourself, bringing Schwartz & Toffler into this discussion - both books deal with an awful lot more than consumer electronics. Thus you too are expanding beyond consumer electronics.
Yes, yes, I know both books and many besides. I was merely expressing surprise at sentiments expressed here. Phrases that for somebody my age and background are very reminiscent of totalitarian regimes, e.g. Eastern Europe during communist times. "Too much choice is bad for you, we will decide what goods and books are best for you." As you know countless people were imprisoned & killed for trying to access information and goods outside their eco-system.
Might you agree that it is the citizen & consumer's responsibility to avoid falling into these traps and experiencing these feelings? Good education should teach how to deal wth new realities as they emerge and evolve. No need to be spoon fed.
That's a just form of cultish populist feel-good marketing kitsch. One would have to have a huge inferiority complex to love such an idea, to even care about a CEO's model. If the phone fulfils one's needs, that is all that is relevant.
Surely that is a confused observation...?
Are you claiming that
- one would want to enjoy "the pinnacle of Apple's phone tech"
- but that pinnacle is something one "may not want or need"
Solution: Don't buy the pinnacle... buy the device you want or need.
Make a list of required features, research which device by which manufacturer offers those features.
"infinite choice" is meaningless; I was replying to OP's plea for one model of each device. I firmly believe that anybody who has the wealth to buy an iPhone will find the time, mental strength and technical wisdom to choose from 4-5 models with slightly diverging features. It should take about 20 minutes and a modicum of tech experience or good advice.
In short: people may have a hard time choosing when there is a lot to choose from, but curtailing the choice for everybody may not be the best solution. We should learn to deal with choice, rather than ban it. In consumer electronics and beyond.
Thanks for your thoughts - have a go day!
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No they won't fire him....they will just promote him to some pointless post....oh wait....that has already happened. He is probably too busy designing desks and signs for the new office. Either way between the office, fashion shows, and watch bands....he is pretty busy to care about the iPhones design.
It is time for the board to seriously consider liquidating everyone except Schiller & Craig. That includes all the idiots from the Beats company.
I'm a bit confused...
I read about all those complains related to the camera bump.
Are those complains really due to people having no clue about the current state of the technology and somehow believe that Apple can "magically" "gorgeously" deliver comparable camera performance at 50% the thickness of Samsung, Sony, LG... despite not even making their own sensor?
Or... those people are so caught up with form over function that they wouldn't care getting *worse* camera performance in 7 compared to 6s just so they can say "no camera bump, Apple rules!" while showing off their 1" thick Pokemon Go case (does that exist yet?)
I read about all those complains related to the camera bump.
Are those complains really due to people having no clue about the current state of the technology and somehow believe that Apple can "magically" "gorgeously" deliver comparable camera performance at 50% the thickness of Samsung, Sony, LG... despite not even making their own sensor?
Or... those people are so caught up with form over function that they wouldn't care getting *worse* camera performance in 7 compared to 6s just so they can say "no camera bump, Apple rules!" while showing off their 1" thick Pokemon Go case (does that exist yet?
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Another problem for Apple if they even do consider it one is, the fact that probably a little less than half of the members on here are gonna be playing the 14 day return game for months, different colors different sizes, etc…we'll see people going into December probably still returning and repurchasing within the 14 day because they do it every year. There's virtually a new thread on this forum alone everyday with users asking US to choose their device specifications. There's already too many out there for a lot of consumers.
Really?
I hadn't heard about this.
People have so much time on their hands it seems.
Sad fact of the world of internet video. Average, hell below average, becomes the norm so going away from that seems weird.
OMG the poster cleaned up the video...had to "photoChop" it. Or heaven forbid used proper lighitng and shooting techniques.
No normal poster would ever take some pride in their work.
If video not valid...it be nice to have better arguments really.
Actually you don't. The SE and 6S share a similar camera, but the Plus model of both the 6 and the 6S has OIS built in, it will take better photos on low light because of that. The Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge and Note 5 all shared the same camera with OIS included.
I don't know about the new Note 6. But for the price Apple charges they really should be including the exact same camera across their models, I mean a dual lens camera and pogo pins and maybe a bit more power and they'll probably charge £250 plus over the nine Pro Plus for it. But that's me speculating.
Apples range will be more fragmented then the screen of an iPad after falling face flat onto concrete from 20 feet with no case!!
That's it Apple, you give each phone a different camera.....
If they do launch some Pro model they better give the exact same camera to the non Pro Plus and 4.7" iPhone.
Why?
As a photographer I want a dual camera phone - making photographs is important to me.
If that simply cannot fit, due to camera module size, in a 4.7" phone, why should I be penalized by not being able to buy a dual camera phone in a larger phone size due to your arbitrary (and rather selfish) rule?
"they better"
Or else what?
Even though this is fake I don't see a problem with Apple having a pro line of phones. It will no doubt sell well, and I'd definitely get an iPhone pro if it had a better screen, front and rear camera, battery and processor over the non pro phones.
If people say Apple is milking and purposely putting old tech or slower tech in their products just to sell a pro line then I guess everyone in the industry is to blame. Everyone who makes computers or phones have different tiers or levels from good to better to best. No reason why Apple can't do it too.
If people say Apple is milking and purposely putting old tech or slower tech in their products just to sell a pro line then I guess everyone in the industry is to blame. Everyone who makes computers or phones have different tiers or levels from good to better to best. No reason why Apple can't do it too.
I'm not sure I like what Apple is doing. I first look at the iPad. Sales are down and show no indication of rising so what does Apple do? Create a more expensive tier.
IPhone sales cratered compared to incredible sales and what does Apple do? Create a more expensive tier (which remains to be seen).
I think this next refresh will prove critical to Apple's future plans for milking us. Apple has to convince enough people that Pro means getting many/most of the features other flag ship phones have but at a premium.
Want that extra gigabyte of RAM that will extend the life of your phone? $100. Oh wait it's also "needed" by the dual cameras. That's how they will justify it.
Look at Apple's "Pro" line of laptops. Who is left to justify the price differences compared to the competition?
Want that extra gigabyte of RAM that will extend the life of your phone? $100. Oh wait it's also "needed" by the dual cameras. That's how they will justify it.
Look at Apple's "Pro" line of laptops. Who is left to justify the price differences compared to the competition?