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Very unlikely ... Top model will be beyond $999


I dont believe competitors will follow - bluetooth for headphones is already supported for those that want to rock wireless headphones - Samsung will not omit the phone jack as the markets it serves rely on the presence of the headphone jack - Apple is being pretentious by leaving it out believing that anyone that buys an iPhone will easily switch to wireless earbuds with all the drawbacks it imposes.

For example, flying from Detroit to London is a trip that you wont be able to make without recharging your wireless earbuds and good luck connecting those to the airline entertainment system.

Well that all depends on why Apple is doing it, and the competitors are doing it, now doesn't it? Since the beginning of this talk of jack removal I've taken the logical high road -- Apple's iPhone sales are declining, so why would they remove a universally used audio jack unless they had a need to remove something their competition is also faced with in order to achieve parity with the iPhone in the same form factor? If Apple removes the headphone jack and the competition has no need to, they will guarantee a fair number of customers will jump ship, not to mention stifle the free flow of new customers moving from the Android camp. And there's no way that MFi licenses and Beats headphone sales will make up for that kind of loss, combined with already declining sales, especially if the rumors of this next iPhone design are even remotely true.

When you consider that some Android manufacturers have already dropped the headphone jack on new models, and Intel is actively pushing USB-C audio as an alternative for mobile devices, the evidence seems to logically suggest that is is more than an arrogant arbitrary cash grab for Apple.

But we will see. The rumor of the dual speakers, which is predicated solely on a second grill showing up on rumored "leaks" -- I've not seen any actual dual speaker parts, dissapoints me because I can't get behind a company that removes something useful when they don't have to. And a second speaker is something totally unecessary on the iPhone, offering little if any actual improvements for the average user. It's also detrimental to sales for the reasons I mentioned above, especially since the next iPhone is not rumored to introduce any new compelling features to drive sales.

That said, I don't really follow your complaint about recharging your wireless earbuds on a trip from Detroit to London. Why wouldn't you be able to? Or are you saying you won't be able to use them while they're recharging? That's really something we can't know yet. And you're also saying you won't be able to use them on the inflight entertainment system, which again we don't know.

Here's what I do know. When I fly any great distance I like to pack my sound isolating, noise canceling headphones. I would expect new wireless versions to last the whole flight, but given they don't, there would be an option to plug them into any 3.5mm Jack with a detachable cable. Most flights I've been on over 5 hours have entertainment systems with USB ports for power, but they almost certainly support data even if it's not currently used. They might even have BT built-in, but not currently utilized. So theoretically, a firmware update will allow me to plug in my headphones to charge and listen to the inflight system. Or maybe even use BT.

And, even BT earbuds might have magnetic inductive ports for attaching physical cables to pass power and possibly data in the event they need to be recharged during such a flight, even allowing a person to keep listening at the same time. The worst case scenario now would involve me carrying a small $20 BT dongle to plug into the in-flight entertainment system, providing a BT signal to whatever headphones I want to use.

The final bullet point to using headphones while you travel is this -- everyone is in the same situation when traveling on an airplane, which is, there's a lot of prep to ensure they have everything they need for a trip -- charger for the phone, charging cable for the phone, charging cable for the watch, headphones, extra batteries for noise cancelling headphones, extra power cell for the phone, splitter for headphones in case your travel partner wants to watch the same movie you are, headphone extension cable for your partner, etc. None of these hypothetical problems can't be overcome by altering a person's existing travel prep, without even necessarily adding additional burden.

So until Apple announces what they're doing, there's two ways to look at this -- the logical, positive way in which this move can be beneficial, or the negative, conspiratorial way, which assumes the worst of Apple including reckless fiscal irresponsibility.
 
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It doesn't get worse than this fans.
The ugliness of iPhone 6/6s continues.
#NoUpgrade #NoSale #ReThinkDifferentApple
 
Maybe MacRumors could do a poll - Do people like the new, leaked iPhone 7 design or would they prefer it thicker with a flush camera and larger battery. The results might be a surprise for some...

A MacRumors poll would reflect the opinions of MacRumors visitors.
Not those of normal population who buy iPhones.
So what would be the point of such a poll?
I know many people with iPhones, but I do not know a single person who comes here to read or post.

Aside: almost every iphone owner i know - including me - uses a case.
Camera bump is of no import, picture quality is important.
Thin phone is fine for me.
Battery fine excepts when navigating, so I have external battery for bike trips.
No 3,5mm jack is fine for me, I expect they'll include adapter and / or lighning headphones.

And if the next iPhone is not to my liking, I'll buy something else.
Different people need and want different things.
 
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Are you new to macrumors? As much as we dont want it to be true, these are the next iPhone models.
No I've been reading / had an occasionally used account for almost 6 and a half years.
You clearly didn't read what I said properly or don't know what I'm talking about. Please read it again and see what I am actually talking about.
 
A MacRumors poll would reflect the opinions of MacRumors visitors.
Not those of normal population who buy iPhones.
So what would be the point of such a poll?
I know many people with iPhones, but I do not know a single person who comes here to read or post.

Aside: almost every iphone owner i know - including me - uses a case.
Camera bump is of no import, picture quality is important.
Thin phone is fine for me.
Battery fine excepts when navigating, so I have external battery for bike trips.
No 3,5mm jack is fine for me, I expect they'll include adapter and / or lighning headphones.

And if the next iPhone is not to my liking, I'll buy something else.
Different people need and want different things.
"almost every iphone owner i know - including me - uses a case."
My experience is the opposite of this.
The camera bump is an example of poor design.
 
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Low resolution display? Really. The iPhone 6S+ resolution is 401 ppi. How much resolution do you need? Would 800 ppi be enough and make you happy? 4,000 ppi?

I expect the iPhone 7 display to actually be much better in other areas, using tech from the recently released 9.7" iPad Pro, whose display was highly rated by DisplayMate.

Also, you may not know that a faster/better CPU and GPU benefit the phone far beyond moving display pixels around.

Did you forget the difference between the 4.7" iPhone model and the Plus edition? The 4.7" model will probably continue to rely on a low resolution LCD panel. Apple could double the speed of the GPU and you probably wouldn't tell the difference. How would you? More detailed 3D models? You would be hard pressed to notice on a low resolution screen. Higher FPS? Again, hard pressed to notice since 60 Hz is the display's limit.
 
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But all the phones should have all the same specs with the exception of screen size, resolution and battery size.

Why?
Why should everybody have to pay for something that not everybody needs?

I hope there will be dual lens camera system, and am willing to pay extra for this.

But i would not expect you - for example - to have to pay for an expensive camera system - if you are not interested in the picture quality your phone takes. You should be able to pay for what you want.
 
Samsung sells phones for every consumer budget in the market, so cost is a major consideration for its clients - Apple's pricing puts in the brackets of customers that it can sweat for more dollars to buy additional accessories for something that could be already done on the earlier iPhones. I am quite sure that the headphone jack will remain for the mainstream android brands - the writings are on the wall.

If the writings are on the Wall, then why does Samsung seem to follow in Apple's footsteps once they announce or release specific features? Like I said before, We
Really won't know what to expect,
At least for a year to determine how the Consumer accepts the changes made by Apple, if the 3.5 Jack is deleted. We will see the reaction to the market if this is true.
 
Did you forget the difference between the 4.7" iPhone model and the Plus edition? The 4.7" model will probably continue to rely on a low resolution LCD panel. Apple could double the speed of the GPU and you probably wouldn't tell the difference. How would you? More detailed 3D models? You would be hard pressed to notice on a low resolution screen. Higher FPS? Again, hard pressed to notice since 60 Hz is the display's limit.
Samsung Galaxy S7 uses a 577 ppi pixel density, while Apple uses 326 ppi and 401 ppi.
I recognize this Apple, it's the one that was trying to flog old tech to consumers in the 1990s.
 
Why?
Why should everybody have to pay for something that not everybody needs?

I hope there will be dual lens camera system, and am willing to pay extra for this.

But i would not expect you - for example - to have to pay for an expensive camera system - if you are not interested in the picture quality your phone takes. You should be able to pay for what you want.

Makes no sense since it isnt even about money, its about one being a surfboard on your ear
 
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My experience is the opposite of this.


Which goes to show... lots of different people in the world. With different needs and wants. A good thing.

If the phone were thicker - thus removing the bump you dread so much - it would be too thick when we put a case on it. And many people will always use a case, including me.

The camera bump is an example of poor design.


An example of your opinion stated as fact? ;-)
 
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It doesn't get worse than this fans.
The ugliness of iPhone 6/6s continues.
#NoUpgrade #NoSale #ReThinkDifferentApple

Is your post a boycott on Apple? If so, not everyone shares your thoughts. Lastly, I don't think it's necessary to make your post 24 font. Everyone here can read it in normal format.
 
Not impossible. A digital SINGLE lens reflex camera (DSLR) is limited to the information that a single lens can collect. A dual lens camera can get around that limitation.

Multi-lens pro or prosumer cameras will likely raise the bar based on better optics, so a camera phone will never be the best camera you can buy, but the DSLR can't beat the laws of physics. Single lens is half of its name.

Do you know what the sole purpose of having a dual sensor/lens on a mobile is for?
 
Which goes to show... lots of different people in the world. With different needs and wants. A good thing.

If the phone were thicker - thus removing the bump you dread so much - it would be too thick when we put a case on it. And many people will always use a case, including me.



An example of your opinion stated as fact? ;-)
1.5mm thicker is too thick? How about a thinner case? Or no case.
This was the worst design decision Apple has made in the past few years, super bump camera and antenna lines. This equates to thoughtless and careless design.

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Is your post a boycott on Apple? If so, not everyone shares your thoughts. Lastly, I don't think it's necessary to make your post 24 font. Everyone here can read it in normal format.
No, it's an observation. Sales will be down until Apple rethinks its approach to product design.
 
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I apologize in advance, I'm having difficulty understanding "its about one being a surfboard on your ear"... Sorry.

What he's saying is that your point is a bit off - some of us might like the best tech in the "normal" sized phone, nothing to do with paying extra, we just don't all want massive phones. If space is at a premium then put the tech in and maybe make the phone 1mm thicker rather than thinner for a change. No-one complained about the iPhone's thickness since the 4 came out.
 
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Don't think you realize how entrenched some people are...

Will I’ll still be able to FaceTime with my friends who have iPhones?
Will all my App purchases will transfer so I don’t have to re-purchase?
Will my texts show up on my iPads and Macs too, and I can still text from those devices?
Will new music I purchase on my Mac via iTunes will automatically show up?
Will Movies I purchased from iTunes transfer?
Will my contacts are automatically synced to my iPads and Macs?
Will my Safari bookmarks are automatically synced between all my devices?
Will my iCloud Key Chain transfer and sync with my new Android device?
Do Numbers and Pages have Android versions and automatically sync with my iPads and Macs and provide handoff capability?

you get the idea….
Not so easy when as he said when you are entrenched into the Apple Ecosystem. :)

All good points. I'll tell you on thing that won't be a problem for anyone switching to the next iPhone without a headphone jack to an Android phone a year from now -- the Lightning connected headphones.

All they will need to do is remove the detachable Lightning cable and connect a 3.5mm cable. That will be the least of the things holding a customer to Apples ecosystem.
 
Did you forget the difference between the 4.7" iPhone model and the Plus edition? The 4.7" model will probably continue to rely on a low resolution LCD panel. Apple could double the speed of the GPU and you probably wouldn't tell the difference. How would you? More detailed 3D models? You would be hard pressed to notice on a low resolution screen. Higher FPS? Again, hard pressed to notice since 60 Hz is the display's limit.

Nope, didn't forget.

While the iPhone SE is Apple's "budget" phone starting at $399, at 326 ppi it is hardly "low resolution," as you stated previously. Want/need higher resolution for some reason? No worries, simply purchase Apple's flagship phone.

You still don't seem to understand that CPU and GPU speed/features drive overall phone performance far beyond moving pixels around on high resolution displays. The low end 4" iPhone 7 will benefit from a faster/newer CPU and GPU.
 
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1.5mm thicker is too thick? How about a thinner case? Or no case.

No thanks, I've dropped iphones previously, will always use a case, and present thickness with present case is perfect for my needs.
Looking forward to the rumoured possibility that next iphone+ will come with dual lens system.
If this comes to pass: I will buy it and a suitable case right away.

This was the worst design decision Apple has made in the past few years, super bump camera and antenna lines. This equates to thoughtless and careless design.


Millions seem to disagree with you.
 
No worries, simply purchase Apple's flagship phone.

And there's the issue many have with fragmentation. The iPhone + models are huge (and judging by the competition they're more "huge" than they should be for what's in them), most wouldn't take issue with paying the same price for a phone-sized phone with all the flagship toys and specs.
 
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Nope, didn't forget.

While the iPhone SE is Apple's "budget" phone starting at $399, at 326 ppi it is hardly "low resolution," as you stated previously. Want/need higher resolution for some reason? No worries, simply purchase Apple's flagship phone.

You still don't seem to understand that CPU and GPU speed/features drive overall phone performance far beyond moving pixels around on high resolution displays. The low end 4" iPhone 7 will benefit from a faster/newer CPU and GPU.
Actually, 326 ppi 2x Retina on 6/6s when display zoom is on makes for blurry images. 401 ppi 3x Retina ensures blur is not visible.
http://oleb.net/blog/2014/12/pixel-peeping-followup/
 
What he's saying is that your point is a bit off - some of us might like the best tech in the "normal" sized phone, nothing to do with paying extra, we just don't all want massive phones. If space is at a premium then put the tech in and maybe make the phone 1mm thicker rather than thinner for a change. No-one complained about the iPhone's thickness since the 4 came out.

I see, thank you for clarifying.
 

No thanks, I've dropped iphones previously, will always use a case, and present thickness with present case is perfect for my needs.
Looking forward to the rumoured possibility that next iphone+ will come with dual lens system.
If this comes to pass: I will buy it and a suitable case right away.



Millions seem to disagree with you.
But you are hiding the essence of the device! I won't allow this. Banish all cases to the recycle centre.
October 2017 is my focus. This year Apple is off my radar completely.
And some million, billion, trillions seem to agree with me.
 

No thanks, I've dropped iphones previously, will always use a case, and present thickness with present case is perfect for my needs.
Looking forward to the rumoured possibility that next iphone+ will come with dual lens system.
If this comes to pass: I will buy it and a suitable case right away.



Millions seem to disagree with you.

I would wager more people use cases with iPhones than don't. That's strictly an anecdotal observation on my part.

However, I see a rise in case use with built-in 3.5mm jacks. I suspect that will be quite popular, and another reason I hope the smart connectors come to pass, as that would make such cases much less bulky -- perhaps my biggest complaint with Mophie cases which I might otherwise find useful. I wonder if the Apple battery case wasn't designed that way with an eye toward removing the headphone jack -- they could have put a much bigger battery in that case, but the way it is now, they could add a number of other features.
 
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