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It's Apple's fault. Until last year, all capacities were doubles of each other, they should have kept it that way.

I actually think most customers would be happy if the base went to 32GB even if the rest remained the same. Why? Because many users such as myself find 16GB to be too little, but don't need 64GB so they can now function just fine with the 32GB model and save $100. If people need between 32 and 64GB's, the cost and storage is the same as last year, so I don't see how they could be upset as they aren't losing anything.

So now MANY MORE users will buy the low tier phone.

That will hurt profits big time and could trigger a chain reaction to less R&D, less talent, less innovation. You made my point for me.
 
So now MANY MORE users will buy the low tier phone.

That will hurt profits big time and could trigger a chain reaction to less R&D, less talent, less innovation. You made my point for me.
While I agree fewer will buy the mid-tier model if the base starts at 32GB, Apple is getting a lot of bad press from reviewers that starting at 16GB is going to be a problem for some users, so Apple is likely losing sales to people who don't want to spend more than $650 and decide to go with an Android phone that starts with 32GB.

There comes a time when Apple needs to get with the rest of the flagship phones, you can't stay at 16GB forever when apps, photos, and videos continue to get larger and larger. Can you imagine if they never bumped it up from 4GB or 8GB? Telling people to spend $100 more is not a solution, as the base model used to be far ahead of Android phones, now they are behind.
 
I don't see how your math even checks out there. You, Warrior2000, said that Apple would lose 3.3 billion in profit offering a 32GB phone as base. The only way that argument checks out is if more users are jumping up to 64GB BECAUSE the minimal offering is too small. I am guessing you got this number from here:

http://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/20...illion-in-2015-by-selling-16gb-iphone-66-plus

As shown in a very detailed breakdown which backs up your initial claim on your 28 page post, the 64GB was predicted to have a 48% market share to support these numbers. One could only speculate that gap is even broader with the 6S. This is exactly what Apple wants to happen.

So why are you talking out of both sides of your mouth? You claim Apple is making all this profit by offering 16GB, yet you still contend it is the best selling phone. I think you are even confusing yourself now.

details, details, details.

I've heard that the 16GB was the most popular. I tried to find a link but I could not find it. It may have been the most popular during the 5 and 5s.

But the bottom line is even if only 15-20% buy the 16GB phone that is still a HUGE chunk of users. That is still 35-50 million units sold. There still seems to be a very large market that likes 16GB phones and the cheaper price it offers.
 
Generally when I buy technology.. I buy to future proof.. hence why I haven't purchased a 16GB phone in 4 years.
 
While I agree fewer will buy the mid-tier model if the base starts at 32GB, Apple is getting a lot of bad press from reviewers that starting at 16GB is going to be a problem for some users, so Apple is likely losing sales to people who don't want to spend more than $650 and decide to go with an Android phone that starts with 32GB.

There comes a time when Apple needs to get with the rest of the flagship phones, you can't stay at 16GB forever when apps, photos, and videos continue to get larger and larger. Can you imagine if they never bumped it up from 4GB or 8GB? Telling people to spend $100 more is not a solution, as the base model used to be far ahead of Android phones, now they are behind.

Those buyers who have a $650 hard budget can get an iPhone6 with 64GB for $650.

IMO the iPhone6 is better than any Android phone on the market.

Apple will move to 32GB, when the time is right. My guess is next year.
 
Those buyers who have a $650 hard budget can get an iPhone6 with 64GB for $650.

IMO the iPhone6 is better than any Android phone on the market.

Apple will move to 32GB, when the time is right. My guess is next year.
You bring up a valid point. Part of Apples flagship pricing structure is that you can buy a 1 or 2 year old model for a better price with more GB if you choose.. very good point, one i hadn't factored into the current pricing structure of the 6s+ 16GB - oh and my whole argument is based on the price of 6s+ model.
 
details, details, details.

Details are called facts. You have none. Everything you argue is based on what you feel, or what apple told you in some commercial. You have nothing to stand on. I am disappointed, you promised us facts.

I'm bring FACTS to the table. Go ahead and prove me a shill by disproving my FACTS.

Funny how people who don't have FACTS on their side start to throw insults.
 
Well then, that may be a problem for Apple, again as a consumer I'm not walking into a Genius and asking.. well If I buy this phone how much profit are you going to make from it.

Well then you are living in fantasy land.

Apple is not going to cut the price of the iPhone from $650 to $500 and up the storage when they can't even keep up with demand the first 6 months.

I don't expect people to care about how much profit Apple makes. I'm just explaining why your price structure is not reasonable considering Apple is a public company that has shareholders that expect profits to grow each year.
 
Details are called facts. You have none. Everything you argue is based on what you feel, or what apple told you in some commercial. You have nothing to stand on. I am disappointed, you promised us facts.

The only facts that really matter:

Apple still sells a sheetload of 16GB phones.
 
Well then you are living in fantasy land.

Apple is not going to cut the price of the iPhone from $650 to $500 and up the storage when they can't even keep up with demand the first 6 months.
I dont disagree at all, I just think $750 (6s+) for 16GB at $47 per GB is insane for a consumer when the 128GB is $7.50 per GB.. they aren't even on the same planet in comparisons. I'm happy for Apple that they have a model where people are willing to spend that kind of money on this potentially limiting factor, they obviously have a quality product in which people are willing to overlook the short comings at a premium price.
 
I dont disagree at all, I just think $750 (6s+) for 16GB at $47 per GB is insane for a consumer when the 128GB is $7.50 per GB.. they aren't even on the same planet in comparisons. I'm happy for Apple that they have a model where people are willing to spend that kind of money on this potentially limiting factor, they obviously have a quality product in which people are willing to overlook the short comings at a premium price.

Why not consider the 6+ 64GB for $750?

IMO the 16GB models are for casual users who use their iPhones like feature phones.
 
Sheetload is not a fact. About 498,000 in 2015. Just helping you out! :D

They must be selling a ton of 16GB phones if the averaging selling price of iPhones is about $660-$680. Right?

Apple will sell about 250,000,000 iPhones this fiscal year.

So even if the 16GB is only 15% of phones that is still 37,000,000 units.
 
details, details, details.

I've heard that the 16GB was the most popular. I tried to find a link but I could not find it. It may have been the most popular during the 5 and 5s.

But the bottom line is even if only 15-20% buy the 16GB phone that is still a HUGE chunk of users. That is still 35-50 million units sold. There still seems to be a very large market that likes 16GB phones and the cheaper price it offers.
There's a large market for the cheapest phone, that doesn't mean the 16GB is ideal for their usage pattern. Many of the 35-50 million people would have bought a 4GB 6 at the same price.

Also I think the promotions a lot of carriers were running last time around (trade in an iPhone 4 or 5 and get the new one free) inflated the number of 16GB phones relative to the rest.
 
Not necessarily since some of those sales would have been the 5S and 5c

correct. But they sell very little 5s/5c compared to the 6 the last 2 quarters. But that is offset by the $750 starting price of the 6+.

Either way they sell a significant amount of 16GB phones.
 
There's a large market for the cheapest phone, that doesn't mean the 16GB is ideal for their usage pattern. Many of the 35-50 million people would have bought a 4GB 6 at the same price.

Also I think the promotions a lot of carriers were running last time around (trade in an iPhone 4 or 5 and get the new one free) inflated the number of 16GB phones relative to the rest.

Maybe.

For myself I have 48GB available on my 64GB phone. So a 16GB phone could actually fit my usage.
 
They must be selling a ton of 16GB phones if the averaging selling price of iPhones is about $660-$680. Right?

Apple will sell about 250,000,000 iPhones this fiscal year.

So even if the 16GB is only 15% of phones that is still 37,000,000 units.

LOL, yeah sorry, even I am tired of this now. About 90.7 million units (I am basing on estimates of 211 million sold, it likely might go up). I gotta agree with you there, that is a sheetload of phones. You were right :)
 
I think the mods can close this endless debate down, it's going nowhere.

Sure, they can do that and likely will. But it is a decent debate about something that is an interesting move by apple. I mean there are dozens of 'where is my phone?' threads when it isn't even Friday yet. Where are those going?

At least we are talking about the phone.
 
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