4K Videos on a 16GB 6s ? Design Flaw or Deliberate ?

[The-Real-Deal82]

16GB is only going to be a problem if you record all your videos in 4k, most won't though. If it's present on the iPhone 7 I doubt I'll record at all in 4k unless I have something powerful enough to view it properly once it's saved off the phone. I won't be recording with the future in mind as it'll be far too much data to store. HD is good enough for now, especially on a mobile phone with not the best lens etc.

 

[Max(IT)]

So its bad that Apple wants people to buy their higher end models? You'd rather them make the high end models less desirable? Some people only need 16GB. Why can't you get that through your head?



You seriously think mainstream people buy 2GB apps for their phone? Or load 10GB of pdf docs? LOL. Hell no. People who do that kind of stuff know they need the 64/128 phones.

The 16GB phones are for casual users. People who only talk, text, take pictures, take a few video's, and a few apps. You'd be surprised that tens of millions of iPhone users fall in that category.

4k video is OFF by default so there is no excuse that casual users will run out of space because of 4k video. Stop worrying about how other people use their phones. 16GB works perfectly for many people.

If Apple started at 32GB they would have to make up the lost profits some how. So then we would be punishing the 16GB users who have no need for 32GB.

There are several very popular free games bigger than 1 Gb, so yes, even mainstream people could easily fill a 16 Gb model...
The whatsapp archive file of my wife's phone alone is more than 2 Gb ...
Every "16 Gb user" could do the same things, and better, with 32 Gb.

Actual that is wrong. As usual you are throwing out numbers without any facts. You have no idea how many 16GBs are sold. You still think it is the top selling device, and you are likely wrong.

And let me help your math on photo storage.

I am seeing live photos can be about 10MB each which is .01GB storage per "live photo" storage.

It seems you always have about 12GB free with your new phone

12/.01 = 1200 photos. Not quite the over 2000 you are stating.

We don't know how many 16 Gb units they sold with the iPhone 6 , but I'm not sure they are more than 64 Gb units...
The discussion about how many photos you can store is useless: people doesn't keep only photos on a phone.

details, details, details.

I've heard that the 16GB was the most popular. I tried to find a link but I could not find it. It may have been the most popular during the 5 and 5s.

But the bottom line is even if only 15-20% buy the 16GB phone that is still a HUGE chunk of users. That is still 35-50 million units sold. There still seems to be a very large market that likes 16GB phones and the cheaper price it offers.

The large market isn't looking for a 16 Gb unit but for the cheapest iPhone they can get.
You keep speaking about them like they CHOOSE to have only 16 Gb. That's wrong. They choose the cheapest model.

The only facts that really matter:

Apple still sells a sheetload of 16GB phones.

If it was 32 Gb they would have sold the same sheetload, if not more.

correct. But they sell very little 5s/5c compared to the 6 the last 2 quarters. But that is offset by the $750 starting price of the 6+.

Either way they sell a significant amount of 16GB phones.

You keep speaking about sale numbers ... Who cares ?
Are you a shareholder?
You should care about user experience.
A 32 Gb base model would fit more customers...
Don't forget that while in the US the base model costs about 650 $, in the rest of the world it costs above 750$ .... for a 16 Gb unit.

 

[MH01]

I trust Apple 's analytics department, and I'm sure they know perfectly well that 16 Gb aren't enough.
They just want people to buy the 64 Gb model...

Of course, it's one of the most blatant and sly moves to raise the price of iPhone, while pretending they are offering the 6s at the same price as the 6.

It's a win win, come the iPhone 7, cause frustrated 16Gb users will be upgrading from the 6S. Apple know what they are doing, problem is that the average user trusts them.....expecting that a 16GB will be fine.

 

[MH01]

For all those who think Apple should start at 32GB please give me your storage/price tiers:

Should it be:

32/64/128
$650/$750/$850

Everything should remain as it is right now, with the 32 replacing the 16GB.

 

[MH01]

So now MANY MORE users will buy the low tier phone.

That will hurt profits big time and could trigger a chain reaction to less R&D, less talent, less innovation. You made my point for me.

While giving the customer a bad user experience and seeing them jump ship will not impact profits big time?

Your whole assumption is that no matter what happens users will be blind sheep and keep buying. Takes years to earn trust, and one major mistake to loose it.....

 

[redheeler]

For all those who think Apple should start at 32GB please give me your storage/price tiers:

Should it be:

32/64/128
$650/$750/$850

Yes. The prices were the same when it was 16/32/64, but the 32 GB and 64 GB were doubled while the 16 GB was not.

 

[I7guy]

While giving the customer a bad user experience and seeing them jump ship will not impact profits big time?

Your whole assumption is that no matter what happens users will be blind sheep and keep buying. Takes years to earn trust, and one major mistake to loose it.....

Huh what? Blind sheep? I'm buying the 6a because i like the end products. Still waiting for that "mistake".

 

[pat500000]

Not if you have spent a lot of money in Apple 's ecosystem...

It is in most of the cases.
And it is enough for people working with the phone even without shooting photos or videos....
16 Gb aren't ....

Who cares about margins?
We are users, not shareholders.
Apple has plenty of margins on this devices...

Yes, but if you OCCASIONALLY take shoots and videos, you could be in trouble with only 16 Gb (supposing to have 4-5 Gb free) but you would be ok with a 32 Gb model ...


Seriously dude, I can't understand how can you defend Apple on this.
And I'm a big Apple supporter.

Well..it appears that apple don't care if you spend lot of money. It's business...and that's how they roll.

 

[Noble Actual]

No one is "forced" to do anything. 16gb has ALWAYS been the base model.

And 16gb is good enough for plenty of people out there, or else they wouldn't sell them still. A VERY large majority of the iphone sales are still 16gb phones.

Because its the cheapest model.

 

[MH01]

Huh what? Blind sheep? I'm buying the 6a because i like the end products. Still waiting for that "mistake".

If you are buying a 16GB iPhone 6S, in my opinion you are making a mistake .

You should buy the next tier.

 

[geoff5093]

I was responding to the guy who said 4k videos on iPhone6s was deliberate move. If it was then Apple would have made 4k ON by default.

Live photos are on by default, and those take up over twice the space per photo compared to a regular 8MP photo.

 

[Merkie]

But what about Samsung customers who only need 16GB?
Could I argue they wish Samsung made a 16GB model since they only need 16GB not 32GB?
And if they did the 16GB would be cheaper than the 32GB.

SamsungRumors.com? I don't know. Wrong website.

 

[warrior2000]

Yes. The prices were the same when it was 16/32/64, but the 32 GB and 64 GB were doubled while the 16 GB was not.

So then you are giving 64GB buyers only 32GB for $100.
On the iPhone6 you were giving 64GB buyers 48GB for $100.
Same thing with the 128GB buyers.

So basically your plan is to give your best customers less GB per dollar than with the iPhone6?

I don't think that's a good way to treat your most valuable customers.

 

[warrior2000]

While giving the customer a bad user experience and seeing them jump ship will not impact profits big time?

Your whole assumption is that no matter what happens users will be blind sheep and keep buying. Takes years to earn trust, and one major mistake to loose it.....

Huh? How many Android makers start at 32GB? I can only think of Samsung, LG, and HTC. And I think they all started this year. And that was a move of desperation because the iPhone6 was destroying them. So why didn't we hear all this crying about 16GB last year?

 

[AndrewR23]

Huh? How many Android makers start at 32GB? I can only think of Samsung, LG, and HTC. And I think they all started this year. And that was a move of desperation because the iPhone6 was destroying them. So why didn't we hear all this crying about 16GB last year?

We did. You were not on this forum last year lol.

 

[MH01]

Huh? How many Android makers start at 32GB? I can only think of Samsung, LG, and HTC. And I think they all started this year. And that was a move of desperation because the iPhone6 was destroying them. So why didn't we hear all this crying about 16GB last year?

Maybe you should learn something about the competition before coming to all these conclusions. Basically you know very little outside of apple and yet quote these fabricated stats and assumptions .

Check out what is on offer in 2015, and maybe you will understand the point we are trying to make.

 

[warrior2000]

Maybe you should learn something about the competition before coming to all these conclusions. Basically you know very little outside of apple and yet quote these fabricated stats and assumptions .

Check out what is on offer in 2015, and maybe you will understand the point we are trying to make.

why don't you just answer the question? When did the Android makers start offering base models at 32GB? Wasn't it this year? So why wasn't this a big deal last year with SAmsung phones?

 

[warrior2000]

We did. You were not on this forum last year lol.

So in other words the grumbling isn't really about 4k video or larger photos. Just people being cheapskates. makes sense.

 

[MH01]

why don't you just answer the question? When did the Android makers start offering base models at 32GB? Wasn't it this year? So why wasn't this a big deal last year with SAmsung phones?

Let's use Samsung , last years S5 came in 16GB....BUT the unit came with expandable storage .

This years S6. 32GB base model as expanded storage was removed.

If the android s6 was 16GB there would be outrage in the android community.

So, do you think all the reviews that are out are wrong, cause the common con of the 6S is 16GB.

 

[MH01]

So in other words the grumbling isn't really about 4k video or larger photos. Just people being cheapskates. makes sense.

$650 entry is a cheapskate ? Try not to offend the people on here mate .

And how about some consideration for people on a budget.

 

[redheeler]

So basically your plan is to give your best customers less GB per dollar than with the iPhone6?

I don't think that's a good way to treat your most valuable customers.

If I were to make a list of 5 things Apple could do to increase Android sales, selling an iPhone with inadequate storage would definitely be on there. People get frustrated with constantly running out of storage, they move on to another brand.

Your argument simply isn't making any sense to me. If people need the 64 GB, they'll pay the extra $100. If they need 128 GB, they'll pay the extra $200. I paid $100 for double the base model capacity on the iPhone 5s, and the mid tier iPhone 5/5s sold fine.

So in other words the grumbling isn't really about 4k video or larger photos. Just people being cheapskates. makes sense.

If we were cheapskates, we'd buy Android phones for half as much and be done with it. Not that I like having to spend an extra $100 out of necessity, or knowing that people are going to be frustrated with their "premium" Apple smartphones, though.

 

[warrior2000]

Let's use Samsung , last years S5 came in 16GB....BUT the unit came with expandable storage .

This years S6. 32GB base model as expanded storage was removed.

If the android s6 was 16GB there would be outrage in the android community.

So, do you think all the reviews that are out are wrong, cause the common con of the 6S is 16GB.

expandable storage is a whole other animal. No way it compares to onboard storage.

Where was all the outrage last year for 16GB android phones? There was none.

 

[warrior2000]

$650 entry is a cheapskate ? Try not to offend the people on here mate .

And how about some consideration for people on a budget.

cheapskate is a person who expects a $750 product to cost $650.

You want quality? You gotta pay premium prices. Don't expect premium quality with low prices. Apple has phones for many budgets

$450 iPhone 5S
$550 iPhone 6

Problem is people want the BEST and NEWEST and pay budget prices.

 

[warrior2000]

If I were to make a list of 5 things Apple could do to increase Android sales, selling an iPhone with inadequate storage would definitely be on there. People get frustrated with constantly running out of storage, they move on to another brand.

Your argument simply isn't making any sense to me. If people need the 64 GB, they'll pay the extra $100. If they need 128 GB, they'll pay the extra $200. I paid $100 for double the base model capacity on the iPhone 5s, and the mid tier iPhone 5/5s sold fine.

Still doesn't change the fact that you would be giving the 64/128GB buyers less incremental storage for the premium they pay. Sorry but I'd feel ripped off if one year I get 48GB for $100 and the next year I get 32GB. No avoiding that simple fact.

And if 16GB was really pissing off so many people why is iPhone6 unit sales up 40% from 5s? Why is the 6s sold out and T-mobile reporting 30% increase in preorders?

If we were cheapskates, we'd buy Android phones for half as much and be done with it. Not that I like having to spend an extra $100 out of necessity, or knowing that people are going to be frustrated with their "premium" Apple smartphones, though.

Cheapskates are people who expect to get premium products at discount prices.

You want the 'best'? Then be willing to pay a premium........at least for the first few months of release.

 

[MH01]

expandable storage is a whole other animal. No way it compares to onboard storage.

Where was all the outrage last year for 16GB android phones? There was none.

Ha ha ha!

Back up that statement. Explain this animal.