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I was wondering how much space 4K video taken on an iPhone would take up, based on this:

http://9to5mac.com/2015/09/10/iphone-6s-4k-video-size/

375 MB / min

So about 32 mins if you have 12 GB of space left or 21 mins if you have 8 GB left.

I personally record for about 30 seconds to 1 minute at a time not to say I wound't like to be able to record for 4 hours but I have never done that. I'm sure people have though. My attention span for a YouTube video is about 8 minutes.

Edit:

How about you? Whats your "average" video length?
 
The 16GB model isn't premium is basic.

Look I agree that its stupid to make a 16GB model they should make it at least 32GB that's on Apple and marketing to get that extra hundred out of people. That said my daughter, mom, and wife will never use 4k video and could careless. They are perfectly happy with what they have and never run out of storage. I think the wife has like 10 apps were I have close to a hundred.

Makes sense. So they already have the 6S and you know they won't run out of storage?

Because after they turn off 4K, they will likely need to turn off the camera too, because 12MP pictures take up more space. And turn off live photos. And don't download any apps that utilize the improved RAM, CPU and screen size. Those are likely to be bigger too because the phone can now handle more. But yeah, if they don't use any of these things, the 11.8GB they have free to them should be fine.
 
Makes sense. So they already have the 6S and you know they won't run out of storage?

Because after they turn off 4K, they will likely need to turn off the camera too, because 12MP pictures take up more space. And turn off live photos. And don't download any apps that utilize the improved RAM, CPU and screen size. Those are likely to be bigger too because they phone can now handle more. But yeah, if they don't use any of these things, the 11.8GB they have free to them should be fine.

Limited storage is what you end up dealing with so its a good thing Apple increased the iCloud storage to 50GB ($.99) cause people are going to need it for photos and video. I wonder how many people are going to only store photos in the cloud now and not save them to a PC. I also hope people realize how long its going to take to upload a 4k video to the cloud.

Funny story I can get extra 30GB of cloud storage for .99 cents but its a hundred for 16GB in your phone, LOL.

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Yes if they never delete anything they WILL run out of storage but I can run out of storage on my 128GB too.

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Actually its a hundred for 48GB cause they don't make a 32GB iPhone (for some reason).
 
Ok so you've bought a 16GB iPhone 6s useable storage is Maybe 12GB out of the Box.
Install your Songs and Playlists lets say 5 Basic Apps everyone uses. I'll be generous and say you have 8GB of storage give or take.

You have a lovely 16MP camera which takes 4K video, 4K TV's are affordable
had Best Buy Pricematch this deal yesterday.

http://www.premiertvs.com/Samsung-U...rt-TV-4K-SUHDTV-2160p-UN55JS8500FAU-CA/p-1551

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung...lver/3813039.p?id=1219607579551&skuId=3813039

Anyways so you have your new 4K TV, How much video can you take at 4K with 8GB ?

I think its deliberate by Apple theres no way to expand storage or pay alot more to get more storage.


This has been discussed at length deozens of times:

The 16GB model is for companies that buy thousands of phones for employees to check mails and look at powerpoint files. They do NOT want you to use 4K video and they do want to save 100 bucks per phone.

Then there are a few people who use the phone for email, websurfing, facetime and an occasional picture who don't take videos.

The rest should buy the 64GB model.
 
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Limited storage is what you end up dealing with so its a good thing Apple increased the iCloud storage to 50GB ($.99) cause people are going to need it for photos and video. I wonder how many people are going to only store photos in the cloud now and not save them to a PC. I also hope people realize how long its going to take to upload a 4k video to the cloud.

Funny story I can get extra 30GB of cloud storage for .99 cents but its a hundred for 16GB in your phone, LOL.

Yup. There were some laughs between Apple and the ISPs and phone carries with that one as well I bet. Give them the same paltry storage locally, more on the cloud. Up the size of everything they record and download. Then cap their data and charge overages. Brilliant!
 
Yup. There were some laughs between Apple and the ISPs and phone carries with that one as well I bet. Give them the same paltry storage locally, more on the cloud. Up the size of everything they record and download. Then cap their data and charge overages. Brilliant!

Its a science.
 
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16GB is too small. Most people that buy the 16GB only buy it bc its the cheapest. Like a lot of my family. Only to realize 100 photos later its filled. Then to the comp, upload photos and redo. Most people are not buying it bc they only need 16Gb, its bc its the cheapest.

Everything in this world is money related.

100 photos won't fill a 16GB phone
 
Another classic "Look at me" trolling thread IMO.

Because the other threads on the subject are nowhere near important as the OP's right?

This threads (again, IMO) take MacRumors down to a level that is constantly seen on other, more childish forums and should be nuked automatically, along with anything with "Gate" in the title.

I'm here doing it, but we really shouldn't be feeding the troll.
 
I think people are better off just ignoring the 16GB iPhone.

iPhone 6s 64GB - $750
Samsung S6 32GB - $650
Samsung 6Edge 32GB - $750
HTC One M9 32GB - $650

So is the iPhone worth the $100 premium over the 32GB Android phones? Also keep in mind you are getting 32GB more of memory.

IMO the $100 premium for the 64GB iPhone is well worth it compared to the competition.

It stands to reason that if you want the best phone on the planet you need to pay a bit more.
 
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Another classic "Look at me" trolling thread IMO.

Because the other threads on the subject are nowhere near important as the OP's right?

This threads (again, IMO) take MacRumors down to a level that is constantly seen on other, more childish forums and should be nuked automatically, along with anything with "Gate" in the title.

I'm here doing it, but we really shouldn't be feeding the troll.

Yes, we should have more shipping status threads and less that talk about the actual phone.

Yes, anything questioning apple should be removed immediately.
 
You raise a valid point. The apple ownership mantra was that apple took the tech decisions away and provided you with a device that just worked. With then 6S they found a sly way to increase the price by $100, though sadly many are going to get caught out, and it's people like you that see this frustration.

They should have raised the price by $100 and raised the base model to 32GB
I'm going in-depth with my rant again. Feel free to only read the first paragraph and skip the rest as it's not all a response to the above comment.

Yeah—defaults matter and I'm glad you picked up on what I was getting at. Part of good product design is making good decisions for the end user. Apple has done a satisfactory job at that for years. I wouldn't say excellent, but satisfactory. 16GB, however, after considering the OS, 10-15 apps and a few music playlists comes out to around 8GB of usable space to save photos and videos. Shooting 4k, that means they can record 22 minutes of video whereas the previous default (1080p 30fps) could record 63 minutes. 8MP photos on the iPhone 6 usually average around 2MB/photo. Therefore you could reason that the 12MP photos would be around 50% larger in file size at 3MB.

Taking it a step further I read that live photos will make the file size double, and Apple said that this feature is turned on by default. I agree in principle of turning it on by default as it's a neat feature that brings the photos to life and distinguishes Apple from other device manufacturers. But that makes it 6MB per photo. If a user were to shoot 15 minutes of video and the rest as photos, they could shoot 434 photos. Again, this is running the phone to full capacity (not recommended) and leaves no room for local storage of apps for documents, messages (including received photos and videos), health data, or much of anything else. Realistically we should reduce these numbers by around 20% for real world usage, so 12 minutes of video and 347 photos.

The photos number is probably adequate for basic users but not ideal. Perhaps I'm an outlier, but I just went to my photo library on my Mac and selected September 21, 2014 until today and it said I have taken 2,894 photos/videos in the past year. Even if I'm statistically outside the norm, surely most people will go through more than 347 photos per year. I'm not even very active on social media and rarely take a selfie. I bet many non-tech people could blow past my numbers quickly. I hope Apple makes it apparent to users that it is easy to lower the video quality and turn off live photos. I also think Apple should provide a quality control for photos. I know that you can turn off Live Photos, but for most people simply posting to the web, they could cut their file sizes down by lowering the MP per photo.

There's also iCloud Drive for these people, however uploading 4K videos on slow internet connections (or even fast ones) will take considerable time and could put a drain on their battery—and in some cases even their home internet plans as many today have data caps. My home internet last year was capped at 350GB (which we hit after my wife gave birth to our first child and streamed a lot) and later in the year I went up to the 100Mbps plan which is now capped at 999GB. I believe our entry level plans at the cable company start out at 100-250GB. If they're a streamer adding 4K video uploads to the cloud could push them past their cap—not to mention add a monthly expense. Might as well go for the 64 or 128GB version. However many people don't realize how huge these files are going to be, which again brings me back to my original point. Suck up the extra cost and build-in good defaults. Even 32GB at $249 would be a decent step in the right direction! I see a lot of frustration from users about their iOS devices running out of space. Most people aren't like us tech-educated MacRumors users buying the expensive models. I'd even go as far to say that users see the 64GB number and think "That's a waste if I get THAT much space." I know because I've had people tell me there's no way they need 64GB and go against my recommendation and get the 16GB, only to have me clear off their device within half a year.
 
I'm going in-depth with my rant again. Feel free to only read the first paragraph and skip the rest as it's not all a response to the above comment.

Yeah—defaults matter and I'm glad you picked up on what I was getting at. Part of good product design is making good decisions for the end user. Apple has done a satisfactory job at that for years. I wouldn't say excellent, but satisfactory. 16GB, however, after considering the OS, 10-15 apps and a few music playlists comes out to around 8GB of usable space to save photos and videos. Shooting 4k, that means they can record 22 minutes of video whereas the previous default (1080p 30fps) could record 63 minutes. 8MP photos on the iPhone 6 usually average around 2MB/photo. Therefore you could reason that the 12MP photos would be around 50% larger in file size at 3MB.

Taking it a step further I read that live photos will make the file size double, and Apple said that this feature is turned on by default. I agree in principle of turning it on by default as it's a neat feature that brings the photos to life and distinguishes Apple from other device manufacturers. But that makes it 6MB per photo. If a user were to shoot 15 minutes of video and the rest as photos, they could shoot 434 photos. Again, this is running the phone to full capacity (not recommended) and leaves no room for local storage of apps for documents, messages (including received photos and videos), health data, or much of anything else. Realistically we should reduce these numbers by around 20% for real world usage, so 12 minutes of video and 347 photos.

The photos number is probably adequate for basic users but not ideal. Perhaps I'm an outlier, but I just went to my photo library on my Mac and selected September 21, 2014 until today and it said I have taken 2,894 photos/videos in the past year. Even if I'm statistically outside the norm, surely most people will go through more than 347 photos per year. I'm not even very active on social media and rarely take a selfie. I bet many non-tech people could blow past my numbers quickly. I hope Apple makes it apparent to users that it is easy to lower the video quality and turn off live photos. I also think Apple should provide a quality control for photos. I know that you can turn off Live Photos, but for most people simply posting to the web, they could cut their file sizes down by lowering the MP per photo.

There's also iCloud Drive for these people, however uploading 4K videos on slow internet connections (or even fast ones) will take considerable time and could put a drain on their battery—and in some cases even their home internet plans as many today have data caps. My home internet last year was capped at 350GB (which we hit after my wife gave birth to our first child and streamed a lot) and later in the year I went up to the 100Mbps plan which is now capped at 999GB. I believe our entry level plans at the cable company start out at 100-250GB. If they're a streamer adding 4K video uploads to the cloud could push them past their cap—not to mention add a monthly expense. Might as well go for the 64 or 128GB version. However many people don't realize how huge these files are going to be, which again brings me back to my original point. Suck up the extra cost and build-in good defaults. Even 32GB at $249 would be a decent step in the right direction! I see a lot of frustration from users about their iOS devices running out of space. Most people aren't like us tech-educated MacRumors users buying the expensive models. I'd even go as far to say that users see the 64GB number and think "That's a waste if I get THAT much space." I know because I've had people tell me there's no way they need 64GB and go against my recommendation and get the 16GB, only to have me clear off their device within half a year.

then buy the 64GB phone.

people are not as dumb as you think.

And the solution to your 'problem' is simply download the photos/videos to either iCloud or your home computer. Doing that every 6 months is no big deal for most people. There really isn't any reason why a person needs to have thousands of photos saved on their phone.
 
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Awesome post. One additional point is that Apple is now allowing the maximum size for apps to go from 2GB to 4GB. Again, this will likely be utilized to take advantage of the advanced specs in the 6S. I am willing to bet that Warhammer 40k game they showed to demo 3d touch will push this limit.

I wonder what these same people would have said if the PS4 came out with an 60GB base version again? Would they justify this for users who are only "casual gamers". But at least with that you can upgrade the hard drive if you find a need and your usage patterns change :)

With the iphone you are stuck with what you buy.
 
then buy the 64GB phone.

people are not as dumb as you think.
It has nothing to do with being "dumb". Budget-minded people see the 16 GB model as a bargin, think that Apple would never sell an iPhone with too little storage, and therefore see 64 GB as a waste of money. That's the main reason why the base model is still so popular.

Sad to say, many of these people find the 16 GB filling up fast. The situation will only get worse on the 6s.
 
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then buy the 64GB phone.

people are not as dumb as you think.

And the solution to your 'problem' is simply download the photos/videos to either iCloud or your home computer. Doing that every 6 months is no big deal for most people. There really isn't any reason why a person needs to have thousands of photos saved on their phone.
Most people don't even know what iCloud is.
 
Ok so you've bought a 16GB iPhone 6s useable storage is Maybe 12GB out of the Box.
Install your Songs and Playlists lets say 5 Basic Apps everyone uses. I'll be generous and say you have 8GB of storage give or take.

You have a lovely 16MP camera which takes 4K video, 4K TV's are affordable
had Best Buy Pricematch this deal yesterday.

http://www.premiertvs.com/Samsung-U...rt-TV-4K-SUHDTV-2160p-UN55JS8500FAU-CA/p-1551

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung...lver/3813039.p?id=1219607579551&skuId=3813039

Anyways so you have your new 4K TV, How much video can you take at 4K with 8GB ?

I think its deliberate by Apple theres no way to expand storage or pay alot more to get more storage.

Get the 64GB model. Problem solved.
 
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then buy the 64GB phone.

people are not as dumb as you think.

And the solution to your 'problem' is simply download the photos/videos to either iCloud or your home computer. Doing that every 6 months is no big deal for most people. There really isn't any reason why a person needs to have thousands of photos saved on their phone.

I mentioned how iCloud for such huge files is a concern.

Some of the people I help don't even have a computer. I'm not saying people are dumb, but I am telling you that they buy the 16GB in droves even though they need the 64GB. They just aren't as educated about technology as you and I are.

Seriously, I have to deal with this all the time with family, friends and coworkers. I'm kinda known as the go-to guy for all things Apple so I see a lot of it. I even tell them precisely what the problem is and they still don't buy the 64GB version. Many of the people are on a 5 and 5S and a few on the 6 and most have no intention of upgrading soon. The fact that they're having so many problems on older devices means that Apple should correct this for the newer devices. And yet they are shipping with the same amount of storage. Average people will be buying 16GB 6S models in August 2016 are likely going to have their device until August 2018 or August 2019. How are they not going to zap right through 16GB of storage on iOS 12 or 13? I know, upgrade, but the same people on the 4S and 5 that shipped with iOS 5 and 6 are upgrading now to devices with the same storage but much larger file sizes. Just doesn't make sense! Would 16GB of base storage be ok in 2018? At some point they are going to have to increase it and IMO they passed the mark where they should have done it.
 
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I mentioned how iCloud for such huge files is a concern.

Some of the people I help don't even have a computer. I'm not saying people are dumb, but I am telling you that they buy the 16GB in droves even though they need the 64GB. They just aren't as educated about technology as you and I are.

Seriously, I have to deal with this all the time with family, friends and coworkers. I'm kinda known as the go-to guy for all things Apple so I see a lot of it. I even tell them precisely what the problem is and they still don't buy the 64GB version. Many of the people are on a 5 and 5S and a few on the 6 and most have no intention of upgrading soon. The fact that they're having so many problems on older devices means that Apple should correct this for the newer devices. And yet they are shipping with the same amount of storage. Average people will be buying 16GB 6S models in August 2016 are likely going to have their device until August 2018 or August 2019. How are they not going to zap right through 16GB of storage on iOS 12 or 13? I know, upgrade, but the same people on the 4S and 5 that shipped with iOS 5 and 6 are upgrading now to devices with the same storage but much larger file sizes. Just doesn't make sense! Would 16GB of base storage be ok in 2018? At some point they are going to have to increase it and IMO they passed the mark where they should have done it.

again its buyer beware.

buy the phone that fits your lifestyle. This is like blaming BMW because the 325i does not fit a family of 6.

16GB works for me, even though i bought a 64GB
 
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The main differentiators between the models are size, colour and storage. People make a choice. With lots of people not buying their first smartphone, having already had one, they will have had some experience with storage size and usage, no?
 

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