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drlunanerd said:
I don't agree. I have nigh on 50GB of music, as have a few of my peers. I would actually use the majority of the space on a 60GB iPod for music.

Yes, I do know how to use Smart Playlists etc. to manage my iTunes library, but nothing beats just being able to dump the whole lot on to your iPod and stride out knowing it's all there when you want it (not to mention a good backup).

Yo! Be careful considering your iPod to be a backup! If you handle it right, you can get the music back off the iPod drive, but if your computers music collection goes corrupt (or disappears) and you just use the iPod as designed it will simply transfer the corrupted music to the iPod or delete the files off the iPod that have disappeared from the computer.
 
stcanard said:
Completely off topic but ...

Every time I read the name Joswiak connected with Apple I end up with this mental vision of some future gestalt combination of Steve Jobs and Steve Wosniak that have come back from the future to re-invigorate apple.

Surely I'm not the only one?

Indeed you are not.
 
no, no, no...

Tiny drives won't be for the iMac (remember they were set to be released in June but were delayed b/c of IBM). The shipment of the 60GB drives is for the powerbook g5...I'm sure of it (optimism, not prophecy).

For those that complain that the drives are too slow, the truth is that they are 4200 rpm drives...the same speed as those in the stock powerbooks right now.

Makes you wonder...with the space saved from new hard drives, they can cram in some more cooling equipment. "I think I can, I think I can"....
 
Interesting. If Apple ordered lots of tiny 60GB drives, and they're not going into iPods, then they are going into something else. I agree that these drives are too slow (and too expensive per megabyte) for use in an iMac. I think therefore that there will either be a new iPod-like product that needs a bigger disk (How many times have they said there won't be a video iPod? Maybe they'll call it the iPorn instead ;-) OR they are planning a new ultra-smaller model PowerBook to compete with the Sharp Actius and that new half-inch-thick Sony.

Yeah, that's it.


Crikey
 
My gawd people, of course the 60 GB HDs are for iPods... they just won't be released until later this summer or fall. End of story.
 
noel4r said:
very few people have 20GB of music, much less 60GB. the extra space would be use for storage.


wrong...i have held out from buying an ipod for this exact reason. apple is making a big mistake if they don't release a larger 60GB version. i have about 50 GB of music, and want a player to load and listen to it all. i also have a 128MB flash player that is perfect for th gym, but i want a place to store all my music...

c'mon apple, i have seriously been waiting for years for a 60GB version...seems like by the time they come out with one, i will need a 80GB!
 
It's for the iPalm, which is a handheld running OS X and a larger LCD than the current iPod, more like the T3. You can plug it into the new iMac to synch up and use on the road. Prices start at 499 and it's another $300 for the docking station that includes a Combo drive, firewire and USB2 as well as a GPU to connect to an external LCD.
 
Listen people:

Just because *you* have more than 40 gigs of music doesn't mean that more than 10% of the population does. By being on these forums alone you are *not* a typical consumer.

I would *like* a 60 gig version myself, but don't say someone is "wrong" for saying most people don't have that much music... because they don't.
 
I'd say this announcement is just marketing talk for "We are bringing out a 60GB but if we tell you, your just going to hold out from buying that 40GB. Buy the 40GB children, there's nooooo such thing as a 60."

Maybe, maybe not.
 
stcanard said:
Completely off topic but ...

Every time I read the name Joswiak connected with Apple I end up with this mental vision of some future gestalt combination of Steve Jobs and Steve Wosniak that have come back from the future to re-invigorate apple.

Surely I'm not the only one?

havent read far enough to see if n e one has responded to this, but i second that

edit: haha i see i wasnt, brilliant..

Greg Joswiak-- who, as his name indicates, also holds the enviable position of being the world's first sentient being cloned from the spliced DNA of Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak. According to Joswiak (can we just call him "Joz"?), Apple is "not planning to introduce any new CPUs at Macworld Tokyo." .........
 
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I borrowed my sister's 2G 20 GB iPod. She had one song on it that was still in AIFF format and was 7 minutes long. The song kept stopping on me as I assume the hard drive tried to catch up. I would love to see something like the Newton with a 60 GB HD, but would speed be an issue like others have questioned?

As for size I would easily fill well over 60 GB. I only have a small portion of my CD collection in AAC format and it takes up 7 GB. If I converted all of my music to AAC I probably still wouldn't fill more than 40 GB, but I don't like compressed music. I would like to have my music in AIFF format or better. No way 60 GB could handle that!
 
AmigoMac said:
I don't see apple putting those ultra-slow HD's in a mac, no matter if power or i , it's plenty out of sense ... no slower than 7200 rpm in the next iMacs ...

Put two of them into one computer (ultra-slim laptop) and configure them as RAID and you have something which is probably faster than a 7200rpm drive.
 
Here is an interesting way of looking at it: do you think more people would fork over cash for a super Newton/PDA/ultra-minnie tablet notebook... or a 60 GB iPod?

Here is an article written last month..

DATE: 06/07/2004 PRINT FRIENDLY
HP Considers Handheld PC Comeback


By Tony Cripps

Notebook-style mobile devices based on Microsoft Corp's Windows CE operating system could make a return to the mass-market care of Hewlett-Packard Co.

Speaking with ComputerWire on a recent visit to HP's Office of Strategy and Technology in Stockholm, Sweden, center director Niklas Johnsson said it was possible that HP would re-introduce such a device into its range as a result of changing market forces and the greater ease of adapting Microsoft's latest mobile operating systems to devices of different form factors.

Today, only a few companies still sell Microsoft-powered machines in the same general form factor. These include NEC (MobilePro 900c), Psion Teklogix (NetBook Pro), and little-known Chinese manufacturer Zupera Technology (SmartBook).

In mid-2002, HP introduced its final device based on Microsoft's Handheld PC 2000 platform, the Jornada 728. However, notebook-type mobile devices had already fallen from favor by this time with the rise of more portable tablet-style handhelds from Palm and various Microsoft licensees, most notably Compaq's iPaq range.

However, the tide may now be turning. Psion has reported considerable interest from the corporate market for its NetBook Pro. The Microsoft-based device, essentially an update to its original Symbian-powered Series 7/NetBook device, appears especially popular for mobile CRM, field force and sales force automation applications.

HP, it seems, may now be ready to follow suit. "It is one form factor we are considering," Johnsson told ComputerWire. "There is room in the market for [such devices]."

Microsoft's current Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition supports high resolution, VGA displays in landscape mode with data entry possible using either the touch screen or a Qwerty keyboard. These features remove the form factor limitations that have resulted in Pocket PCs looking very similar while also maintaining application portability.

Wireless connectivity in the form of wireless LAN and Bluetooth also add to the attraction of handheld PC-style devices to mobile workers as does their long battery life relative to notebook PCs.

The last version of Microsoft's embedded software designed specifically for mini-notebook devices (with or without touch screens), known as Microsoft Handheld PC 2000, was based on Windows CE 3.0 and dates back to 2000. Since then, manufacturers wishing to produce notebook-type devices running on embedded Microsoft software have based them on bespoke implementations of Windows CE, compromising application portability and mass-market appeal.

Motorola's forthcoming MPx Pocket PC Phone, which features a full Qwerty keypad in a twin-hinged clamshell design, is a clear indication of how the latest Pocket PC software can accommodate non-traditional PDA thinking.

Mobile phone giant Nokia is also rumored to be investigating the market for sub-notebook style computers based on embedded software. However, recent stories that the company would use its handset-oriented Series 60 version of Symbian OS as the basis for such a machine would appear unlikely given that platform's heritage.

The Series 80 variant designed for its Qwerty-equipped Communicator devices would be a more obvious choice should the rumor prove substantial.
 
mcwinterr said:
wrong...i have held out from buying an ipod for this exact reason. apple is making a big mistake if they don't release a larger 60GB version. i have about 50 GB of music, and want a player to load and listen to it all. i also have a 128MB flash player that is perfect for th gym, but i want a place to store all my music...

c'mon apple, i have seriously been waiting for years for a 60GB version...seems like by the time they come out with one, i will need a 80GB!

how can i be wrong? i wrote "very few people have over 20GB of music". you're one of the few...
 
swissmann said:
I would like to have my music in AIFF format or better.

What's better than AIFF format? AIFF, IIRC, scales to anything you want. AIFF reproduces a bit-for-bit copy of the CD. Do you consider Vinyl to be better than AIFF? :)
 
croooow said:
Wouldn't that take years to actually listen to all of it?

15,020 songs take 46.4 days and fill 117GB.
Start at the beginning of a month, and halfway through the next one... Although, one could argue that you can't "listen" while sleeping.
 
york2600 said:
Can someone out there explain to me how you can really need over 40 gigs for music. I have a 15 giger and I don't see how you could really need much more music than this. I'm very into music and honestly every time I get close to the limit I go through and toss some tracks I haven't listened to and probably never will. If you have 40+ gigs of music do you really listen to all of that or are you just collecting music for bragging rights?

I have extremely ecclectic taste. I listen to lots of genres. Most, except for rap. And classical eats up space fast; so do jam bands. I think I have a pretty healthy collection in each of the genres I like the most, and my collection weighs 117GB at the moment.
 
Maybe these are for a new ultra slim and light laptop. Something for the ultra portable market.

Or. maybe Apple was punishing Toshiba for the leak. Wouldn't be the first time.

(Although I doubt this since Apple wants to mop up the supply of these drives)
 
Freg3000 said:
People always do this and I am always curious as to why. Someone says, "Most people don't need anything more than XX GB,"(which has been demonstrated by a recent analyst survey showing that the 4GB iPod mini was sufficient for most people's collections). In response, you get the needle in the haystack who retorts, "I have 150GB! Hurry Apple!"

They conveniently forget that the first statement included the qualifier "most." Whether Apple is making a 60 GB iPod, I really don't know. But I would say there is very little demand for it, from a purely musical standpoint. Sure, when you want a 60GB iPod, you could care less about what the market's demand is, you want it-that should be demand enough. :)

I understand supply and demand just fine... What strikes me is that you believe 40 to be the magic number... where did you get this??? you say that for most people 4 is enough, so you jump to the conclusion that there is demand for 40 but not 60...???... Just about everyone I know has more than 20GB... and a sufficient number have more than 60GB... and it seems that music libraries are growing exponentially these days as everybody gets their music encoded... I no longer rip a single CD

If drives continue to go down in price as capacity goes up what do you care if an ipod has way more space than you need??? the guy who suddenly can autosync his library is thrilled. Nobody loses, you dont care, and he's stoked.... or they can say that this guy over here thinks 40 is enough and 41 is too much so anybody with more can just piss off... reminds me of people who go 70 in a 65 in the fast lane and wont let someone else pass them cause what they do is just right and any faster is absurd...
 
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